Scott Petersen sentenced to die for murder of his wife and unborn child

[natural tickler]

Well, Big Jim knows where I stand, and yes Venray, I cAn be the executioner with no conscience, and look him in his eyes as his life is sucked away.

You see, as a person who have lost countless members of my family due to violence, I agree with TKPervert when he says Life is a gift, and Scott robbed those two of that gift, he shouldn't have the right to keep his.


The old law of an eye for an eye may be old, Jim, but if was effective back then. And it could be now, but unfortunately, too many bleeding hearts actually think life is better. Yes, I agree being in prison and the conditions therein is bad, but he is still LIVING!!! As you can see, he has no remorse for what he did, so why must he be rewarded by living??? WHY?? You talk about the death penalty serves no purpose, what was the value of Laci's and Connor's life worth? Can anyone tell me that?? No, you care more about the criminal's rights and life more than the one he snuffed out. Now how many of you can look in the mirror every day, and be happy with that? I bet not one of you can. Give me the needle, I'll stick it in his ass with no compuncture whatsoever😡

 

[toyou444]

While all of these arguement for and against are great...my original point is/was that there is no PROOF that Scott Peterson murdered these two people. Debate all you want about the merits of the death penalty and cost analisys but the issue to me is that he was sentenced to death with no proof! That is what bothers me the most.

~ toyou

 

[venray]

no NT..that is where you err..I dont give a rats ass for Scott Petersen or for his "rights" I think all of his rights should be stripped from him. No contact with the outside world, no computer with which to write a book, no TV, no nothing! He should be stripped of all of this and allowed to exist in a very small cell for as long as he shall live. I hwould see him stay there for 50 years or more
with no chance of ever getting out rather than see us a a society condone the murder of another just to get even for what he did.

And the truth is, we dont get even in this and many other cases, for he took more than one life. Shall we put him to sleep for eternity or make him suffer for several....

Jim and I do indeed agree on this and Kis, I pay my taxes...the government decides where the money should go..I prefer it doesnt fund murder in any form....


Ray

 

[kis123]

As am I, so tell me what benefit Laci will get from Scott's death..

Will it bring her back? Will it bring back her son? Will it really bring any peace at all to her family and make it ANY easier for them to get by each day without reliving the horror?

Or will it just add to the grief and make victims of his family as well....?

I believe you could do that quick injection without much thought...

Having gotten to know you through your posts in this forum I daresay that the thoughts that would haunt you thereafter would get worse as each day passed ...😉


And then yet another victim would be created......Ray

And I've been called a liberal?????????

I'm sorry Ray, this just doesn't work with me. I'm sick of criminals having more rights than the people they violated! No, it doesn't bring back Laci and baby conner, but he shouldn't get to live after taking two innocent lives.

Who's talking about a "quick" injection? That injection takes 12-20 years to make. Did Laci and Conner get twenty extra years before they were brutally and mercilessly killed and left for fish food? Her family probably couldn't give them a decent burial! But I agree, lethal injection just doesn't seem fair for him, does it? It's much too clean and civilized, plus I get to pay for that too! Don't they still have hard labor in Levenworth? Let him break bricks and rocks by day, and be Bubba's boyfriend by night. Maybe he'll just kill himself and get off my payroll!

 

[Bulldogge]

For anyone, anyone who is a proponent of the death penalty, the following should be required reading:

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=8&did=478

It's a listing of botched executions in the U.S. from 1992-2001, including all methods from lethal injection to electrocution.

I'm with the "life in prison" contingent. Murder is murder. And as the link above shows, no execution is ever gaurenteed to be humane. The animals I'm forced to euthanize (I work in an animal shelter) receive a far more humane end than any of the people in the article.

Nick

 

[BigJim]

The old law of an eye for an eye may be old, Jim, but if was effective back then. And it could be now, but unfortunately, too many bleeding hearts actually think life is better. Yes, I agree being in prison and the conditions therein is bad, but he is still LIVING!!! As you can see, he has no remorse for what he did, so why must he be rewarded by living??? WHY?? You talk about the death penalty serves no purpose, what was the value of Laci's and Connor's life worth? Can anyone tell me that?? No, you care more about the criminal's rights and life more than the one he snuffed out. Now how many of you can look in the mirror every day, and be happy with that? I bet not one of you can. Give me the needle, I'll stick it in his ass with no compuncture whatsoever😡

NT, I neither care about him, nor his rights. Nor am I a bleeding heart as anyone with even the smallest amount of objectivity could tell.

I can look in the mirror every day and know I don't let my basest inclinations make my decisions for me, but my logic and my higher thought. Logic shows that the death penalty is counter-productive and the higher-self bit cares not a shit for the criminal, but the effect to ourselves as civillised people from allowing our homicidal tendencies to pass for justice and punishment.

The way you talk it's as if there is no other solution that could ever do society good, but it's actually nothing like that. And you can't say anything about "eye for an eye" was ever effective at anything but botching and holding us back. It was effective at killing people certainly, but that isn't what we're talking about.

Bottom line: There are a great many otherwise good people in this world who can't control their reactions to some things. Quite often (as in this case - where only one solution will satisfy them and anyone who doesn't agree is a bleeding-heart, pinko, Lenin loving ass-bandit pansy) that reaction is the most extreme and the most self-destructive one possible.

As you can see, he has no remorse for what he did, so why must he be rewarded by living???

Rewarded? He's already got life, so he's not being given anything. what he is getting (in our hypothetical scenario) is a total loss of everything that makes life worth living. NT, I deeply sympathise with your loss, but you are suffering from one serious lack of perspective. All you can focus on is paying back in kind, no matter what the circumstances or the counter-productiveness of it. It doesn't matter the harm that being this extreme causes, it doesn't matter how nonsensical all but one of the reasons for being a proponent are, you are totally focused on vengeance and getting your Shylock's pound of flesh. Channeling such an attitude into someone like a Home Office minister would be disaster for the society it represented.


Still your friend, even in disagreement,

Jim

 

[BigJim]

And I've been called a liberal?????????

I'm sorry Ray, this just doesn't work with me. I'm sick of criminals having more rights than the people they violated! No, it doesn't bring back Laci and baby conner, but he shouldn't get to live after taking two innocent lives.

Do you think anyone other than whatever passes for your conception of the Divine (assuming you're not an atheist) has the right to make that decision? Obviously you do, but I find it desperately sad that you think so.

Like you, I am bitter about criminals having as many rights as they do. I am virulently opposed to it. But that doesn't give me the excuse to resort to the other ridiculous extreme and demand their orchestrated death. You attempt to paint yourself as black and me as the white (no ethnic pun intended), but it's never as simple as that. There's always varying shades of grey. I'm far closer to your point of view than I am of the true bleeding heart liberal. That you attempt to paint anyone not as extreme as yourself as being a bleeding heart liberal I find very disturbing indeed. Tis' the mark of an extremeist.

I get the feeling that when someone who is as otherwise lovely as person as I have experienced you to be, expresses such repugnant, unrestrained and horrifying views (not necessarily the view that CP is a valid solution, but the extremity of that view and the vitriolic intolerance to any other proposal), then something must have happened to them earlier in their life which deeply unbalanced them.
Whatever it was, I'll pray to my conception of the Divine that you move on and get past it.


Still your friend as well,

Jim

 

[giantfan121262]

Actually, I don't give a shit about Scott Petersons rights either. As far as I am concerned, he doesn't deserve any. He gave up the "right" for rights when he did this horrible crime. I am not a bleeding heart either. I am talking about living with a quality of life so bad that he would wish he was dead. Stick him in a solitary cell where the smell would turn the stomach of the most hardened criminal and expose him to all the lifers who want to make him their boyfriend. He would be the community bitch.

 

[kis123]

Do you think anyone other than whatever passes for your conception of the Divine (assuming you're not an atheist) has the right to make that decision? Obviously you do, but I find it desperately sad that you think so.

Like you, I am bitter about criminals having as many rights as they do. I am virulently opposed to it. But that doesn't give me the excuse to resort to the other ridiculous extreme and demand their orchestrated death. You attempt to paint yourself as black and me as the white (no ethnic pun intended), but it's never as simple as that. There's always varying shades of grey. I'm far closer to your point of view than I am of the true bleeding heart liberal. That you attempt to paint anyone not as extreme as yourself as being a bleeding heart liberal I find very disturbing indeed. Tis' the mark of an extremeist.

I get the feeling that when someone who is as otherwise lovely as person as I have experienced you to be, expresses such repugnant, unrestrained and horrifying views (not necessarily the view that CP is a valid solution, but the extremity of that view and the vitriolic intolerance to any other proposal), then something must have happened to them earlier in their life which deeply unbalanced them.
Whatever it was, I'll pray to my conception of the Divine that you move on and get past it.


Still your friend as well,

Jim

Jim

I personally think this maggot should burn at the stake!! That way, tax dollars wouldn't be wasted on his pathetic carcass!! However, I feel that something devastating should happen to him for what he did. I thought that falling into the hands of brick breaking by day and Big Bubba by night would be appropriate for this jackass. I personally think lethal injection would be too kind and civil for him considering what he did to his own flesh and blood.

I'm not a liberal or conservative. I'm for what is right under the circumstances. He mercilessly killed his wife and his unborn child. I have little compassion for him and hope he rots under any circumstances. I personally hope the jailhouse takes care of him and I hope it's as ugly as possible. I hope he suffers similarly to Laci and Conner before he simply dies.

 

[BigJim]

Jim

I personally think this maggot should burn at the stake!! That way, tax dollars wouldn't be wasted on his pathetic carcass!! However, I feel that something devastating should happen to him for what he did. I thought that falling into the hands of brick breaking by day and Big Bubba by night would be appropriate for this jackass. I personally think lethal injection would be too kind and civil for him considering what he did to his own flesh and blood.

I'm not a liberal or conservative. I'm for what is right under the circumstances. He mercilessly killed his wife and his unborn child. I have little compassion for him and hope he rots under any circumstances. I personally hope the jailhouse takes care of him and I hope it's as ugly as possible. I hope he suffers similarly to Laci and Conner before he simply dies.

I don't disagree with any of those sentiments, nor will I be arsed to join a candlenight vigil for him if he is executed. I may be against the death penalty, but it's for the benefit of my race that I am, not the benefit of some bastard who'd stoop as low as he apparently did. I won't waste any tears on someone like this being executed, even though I mightily disagree with CP.

To be honest I hadn't heard of the case before someone PM'ed the URL of this thread to me though, so I'm not qualified to give an opinion on whether he's guilty or not. Given the record of American juries for turning in some truly astonishing, fact-defying verdicts, I wouldn't be staggered if he was innocent.

 

[venray]

Addendum...

Just saw Larry King where he interviewed one of the Gents at San Quentin where Scott will be residing...

Here is the routine that Scott will have...

Up at 6am when he will eat breakfast in his cell alone.

He will then be body searched hancuffed and shackeled and taken to the yard for 5 hours of exercise. He can eat his bagged lunch in the yard or after returning to his cell.

He is then re-cuffed and shackled and escorted back to his cell..

He is again body searched, un cuffed and locked up...

He spends the rest of his day alone in his cell...eats dinner alone
goes to sleep...and starts it all over again at 6am the next day...

Personally I would welcome death if this were to be the extent of my life until I died of natural causes....This is justice.....

Death is too good for him.............


Ray

 

[kis123]

Addendum...

Just saw Larry King where he interviewed one of the Gents at San Quentin where Scott will be residing...

Here is the routine that Scott will have...

Up at 6am when he will eat breakfast in his cell alone.

He will then be body searched hancuffed and shackeled and taken to the yard for 5 hours of exercise. He can eat his bagged lunch in the yard or after returning to his cell.

He is then re-cuffed and shackled and escorted back to his cell..

He is again body searched, un cuffed and locked up...

He spends the rest of his day alone in his cell...eats dinner alone
goes to sleep...and starts it all over again at 6am the next day...

Personally I would welcome death if this were to be the extent of my life until I died of natural causes....This is justice.....

Death is too good for him.............


Ray

I still could find better things to do with my tax dollars than supporting his sorry behind for the next 50 or so years. It's probably the poorest investment America will ever make!

 

[BigJim]

I still could find better things to do with my tax dollars than supporting his sorry behind for the next 50 or so years. It's probably the poorest investment America will ever make!

That and Gee Dubya's salary. 😀

 

[BigJim]

That is indeed a grim routine Ray. I sincerely hope he gets twenty minutes of sunshine through his window per day AT MOST, and his only cell mates are cockroaches and larvae.

 

[sushi854]

I'm still torn on the death penalty issue. The modern use of the death penalty as well as life imprisonment seem aimed more at removing an individual from society who has been deemed by the courts to be beyond rehabilitation. The death penalty at this point seems more of a means of permanently removing a dangerous individual from society rather than a form of punishment or retribution. It certainly seems to be a more practical approach than confining an individual for life in a jail cell.

The problem with the death penalty, in my view, is that it is inhuman. Just the idea of killing another human seems incomprehesible to me, and I view society exacting vengeance on a murderer in this sense to be sinking to that level. Most other western countries have dropped the practice as well as the archaic "eye for an eye" mentality. In addition, the evidence concerning botched executions and wrongful convictions should lead any reasonable person to question the death penalty in practice, at the very least until they absolutely know how to do it right. Personally, I could not "flip the switch," but I respect arguments supporting the death penalty as long as they address practical concerns of protecting society and not just rage and retribution. I think we're beyond that as a society.

There does, however, have to be an effective means of removing individuals from society who have demonstrated an inability to function within society without being destructive, and this should extend to violent crimes beyond capital murder. I just think that at the present time it should be to lock these individuals up permanently.

 

[BigJim]

I certainly agree with that. I am for longer sentences in harsher jails across the board. Armed robbery for instance should never carry a sentence of less than 15 years in my opinion, unless it involves someone who turned Queen's Evidence. Frequently however, it does.

The sexually motivated murder of a minor should without question be life without any possibility of parole under any circumstances, no matter how long the prisoner lives or how reformed and "model" a prisoner they've been and no matter how heart-rending the reasons for a compassionate release, even if only temporary. Nor should such a prisoner ever gain higher status than B-Category.

Other types of murder should carry life with a minimum sentence of not less than 20 years.

Rape should carry a MINIMUM of 15 years and a maximum of life.

I do agree with giving people the opportunity to reform and make something out of what's left of their life, but I believe the bastards should suffer first and in such a way that they'd be horrified at the thought of going back to prison. It's not just an opportunity to change, it's first and foremost a punishment.

 

[natural tickler]

Jim, we will always be friends, never have to worry about that mate. It is okay to disagree with each other from time to time.


Having said that, I am not thinking or feeling the way I feel because I am bloodthristy for revenge. I am simply looking at it in terms of equality. Would I still flip the switch? You betcha.

However, I must say that yes, you could put him in for life, and make his life hell, but the fact of the matter remains, the scales of justice is not even. That is what my crusade is about. Not any side winning, but to make it even. CP should see that it does.

Maybe we all aren't looking at things from the same perspective. Murderers takes lives away at alarming rates, and feel no remorse about it. And we in turn just put them in cages and let them live. It just doesn't seem right. Maybe we need to televise these executions, and make them so horrible, that if anyone kills in the future, this is what happens to you. It would make one hell of a deterrent

Jim, you say how to fix the system? Well, to me its simple (and I am talking about the ones who are truly guilty. Change the system of appeals, and stays of execution, and make the execution itself very quick and to the point. Change the legal system from within. Change the way we convict with rules of evidence. We change that, and CP will be more effective

My 2 cents

 

[BigJim]

Jim, we will always be friends, never have to worry about that mate. It is okay to disagree with each other from time to time.

It's nice to hear you say that Enn-Tee. I apreciate it. 🙂

However, I must say that yes, you could put him in for life, and make his life hell, but the fact of the matter remains, the scales of justice is not even.

No they aren't, but some people see that as a positive thing. People like myself for example, don't beleieve it's right (or neccessary) to sink to someone else's level to combat their societal disease. We see it as propogating the disease to react to their crime with another one.

Maybe we all aren't looking at things from the same perspective.

No we aren't, but then no two people do; even when they agree with each other. That we recognise and accept this fact is the most important thing when it comes to working together as citizens.

Murderers takes lives away at alarming rates, and feel no remorse about it.

That I have to say (and I can answer this from personal experience) is not true. A great majority of murderers feel varying degrees of remorse. Some of this is selfishly motivated, some of it is motivated from a true realisation they've done wrong. The murder who neither feels nor shows remorse is a rare creature. During trials (especially televisesd ones) it's a natural reaction to withold one's emotions; the body is programmed to do that. Whether we know we're right or wrong it is a defensive mechanism and not a good indicator of whether that person regrets what they did, or will eventually do so.

Change the system of appeals, and stays of execution, and make the execution itself very quick and to the point. Change the legal system from within. Change the way we convict with rules of evidence. We change that, and CP will be more effective

Change them to what and how? I think at the most this is a hypothetical pipe-dream. Certainly a noble aspiration, but unless jurors and judges are gifted with telepathy, this is never going to happen. I would be VERY interested in hearing how'd you'd propose to do this without drastically raising the amount of innocent suspects getting executed though.

 

[natural tickler]

Well, it would be difficult, sure, but the way the evidence is handled. Of course, evidence is tainted, and more and more people are convicted because of circumstantial evidence, as with this case here. Just basically changing the rules of collecting and presenting this evidence, and instructing judges to give clear instructions on the facts, and real concrete evidence in making their judgements. it may not solve it, but hey, its a start

Jim, one question: what percentage of those convicted do you think are actually innocent? I understand your stance on CP as it retains to the innocent, but that is something I'd like to know. and Part 2 would be, for those criminals whose trials was clean, precise, the evidence clearly shows the guilt of the offenders, you still feel the same way for them??

 

[BigJim]

Jim, one question: what percentage of those convicted do you think are actually innocent? I understand your stance on CP as it retains to the innocent, but that is something I'd like to know. and Part 2 would be, for those criminals whose trials was clean, precise, the evidence clearly shows the guilt of the offenders, you still feel the same way for them??

A very small percentage. Between 1% and 2%
Yes, I'd feel the same. How obvious their guilt is is not a factor in my belief. I'd not feel different about cases that are wide-open like Ted Bundy's or ones that are more obscured such as this.

 

[Jason_F/M]

Hmm

Gotta wonder about a justice system that let's OJ go and convicts Peterson. Now I'm not saying he didn't do it. I really didn't follow the trial but is seems to me it was based on alot of circumstantial evidence. I remember hearing about him having concrete or something and that it was laughble that his explanation was that it was used for a boat anchor. The first thing I thought of were a couple of my uncles who lived in the country and had row boats. Both of them used concrete poured into a large coffee can with a a long eye bolt for anchors. So this concrete explanation didn't strike me as odd at all.
Also, I really don't understand the whole murder part for the unborn child. How is it murder when Roe Vs Wade mandates that this is not a person with civil rights? I mean how can it be abortion and legal if a doctor does it but murder if the father does it?

 

[kis123]

Re: Hmm

Also, I really don't understand the whole murder part for the unborn child. How is it murder when Roe Vs Wade mandates that this is not a person with civil rights? I mean how can it be abortion and legal if a doctor does it but murder if the father does it?

I've been waiting for someone to address this one. I'm glad it was a man who opened the door to discussion. Past cases where an unborn child had been involved, no consideration was given to the fetus. The fetus has no rights per the courts. I'm really interested how this will change now that baby Conner was given rights in the Petersen case.

Jason, you have a very good point in my opinion. Why is it okay for professionals sworn to do no harm can take human life, yet get in an uproar when Scott Peterson takes his kid's life? He isn't the first father that killed his unborn kid, and won't be the last. I have my own opinion about abortion and those who promote and practice it, but this is not the thread for that. I was just giving thought to your statement-very insightful.

Oh, btw, I didn't keep up with the Peterson case, but the OJ case was lost due to poor police work and contaminated evidence. Unfortunately they had no choice than to acquit his murderous a**! His day will come in due season!