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Sports Fans,..Is It.. The Team.. Or The Players..

Mitchell

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A question my mom asked me, that seems relevant to me now.

As I've posted before, I've been a Braves fan since 1983. I became a fan during Dale Murphy's heyday, and remained so through the long, losing years of the 80s, and then right through the fourteen straight division titles years. From 1991 until 2005, the Braves kept me on the edge of my seat every October, even if they didn't win the World Series more than once.

Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, John Smoltz, Chipper Jones. Who wouldn't want to watch guys like that every night? More than likely, they will one day soon have plaques in the Baseball Hall Of Fame.. as some of the greatest players to ever play the game. Two 300 game winners, the only guy with 200 wins, and 150 saves,. and a guy who played for 18 years, who finished with nearly 500 homers, and a 300 batting average.

One day,, I believe it was just before Glavine left the Braves in 2002,. my mom asked me "Mitch, will you still root for the Braves when all these guys retire?"

She knew how they were my favorite players. I used to love to watch Greg Maddux pitch a game, how he spent 20 years carving batters up with a fastball less than 90 mph, or how Glavine would tantalize with the changeup that was just outside all the time, or how Smoltz made the transformation from ace starter, to top notch closer, to ace starter again.. or how Chipper hit homer after homer, with 300 season after 300 season.

I watched how the awesome Bobby Cox won game after game, so often protecting his players, with his battles with umpires.

Now.. as I knew would happen.. all these guys have retired.. moving on.. awaiting their places in the Hall of Fame.

While I was watching the Mets play the Braves in Atlanta this weekend.. the names on the uniforms said "Braves", but somehow, it just didn't seem the same.., as when.., the Braves would play the Mets in the 90s and early 2000s., and.. Chipper would single handedly.. as he did in 1999, beat Mike Piazza's team with so many homers.. to regulate the Mets to the wild card.

Maybe it feels this way.. because.. the Braves were such a special team for a decade and a half, winning with the same players.. and the most vaunted rotations of Hall of Famers.

I will still watch the Braves when they play the Mets. I love to watch Tim Hudson pitch a game,. He might well end up in the Hall with another 50 or so wins. Brian McCann is a great player when healthy.. but yet..

It just doesn't seem as.. emotional.. as when I used to watch Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, and Chipper every night in the 90s and early 2000s. When they beat Cleveland in the 1995 WS, and lost to the Yankees in 1996, I was right there along with them, feeling their triumph and their pain. It seemed like.,. even though I had never met any of them.. team, and fan.,. had been through so much together.. for so many years.

Thoughts on this subject?
 
Mitch, I think that was just a special team for you at a special time. It can never be replaced and never duplicated because as you said, those players are all gone now.

I felt much the same way watching the Steelers with Bradshaw, Harris, Swann, Stallworth, Lambert, Ham, Shell, and so many other great players. While the Steelers have maintained their successful accomplishments on the field, no team will ever replace those Steelers. I still watch when I can and am happy if they win, but I know the feeling you described. It was just a magical time that will never be duplicated.
 
Heeko, thank you. I completely understand, and appreciate, how you said the current Steelers aren't like the teams with Bradshaw. I don't follow football closely, but I am certainly aware how awesome those Steelers were.

I agree with you that the division title era Braves were a special team at a special time. As you said, they will never be duplicated, even if the current Braves enjoy success.
 
To me its the team, however I understand what you mean, I grew up with the Steelers having Kordell Stewart, Jason Gildon, Hines Ward, Jerome Bettis, Lee Flowers, Chris Fauatuamafala etc and it doesn't feel the same when "your" guys leave, but you learn to love the new guys because its your team
 
I think it is the team. However, I do understand what you mean. I think the Braves fall into a once in a life time team with all of the guys that they had in the 80s, 90s and early 2000s. But it was these group of guys that made up the Braves. You grew up watching these guys and it is sad when you start to see all of the players that you idolized and loved begin to retire. I don't think you can ever enjoy watching another team play like the one you witnessed growing up. I think that you will always be a Braves fan, but the team that you watched growing up will always be "the Braves" to you. That's how I feel about my Dodgers anyway. I'll still always be a fan, even if we are almost in last place in the West haha.
 
It's always the team, or the club.

I'm been supporting my favourite soccer team for 30 years now, we were bloody awful back then and bar rare lapses, are still bloody awful today!

BUT, it's tribal, my love for the club will never diminish, Monday is a case in point, we were playing our deadliest rivals and the stakes had never been higher.

Fortunately we won, thanks to two pieces of sublime play, by our star player and have qualified for the play-off final at Wembley Stadium (the home of soccer).

80,000 or so will be in attendence, it will be 90 minutes of sheer hell, but I wouldn't miss it for anything.
 
It's the team, no matter what. Players come and go, as do managers and coaches, but it is always the club, and the spirit of the club, that counts.
 
Thanks for the feedback. Good differing opinions here. I appreciate the points of view.

I'm by no means saying the Braves will win the World Series this year.. because I think other teams, like Washington, are better personnel wise than the Braves are.

Even if the Braves did win the World Series, and I was watching.. I don't think I would feel the elation that
I did in 1995 when they won the World Series, or in 1992 and 1999 when they won the NLCS in their last at bats. Those times, I was crying, and punching the air, for elation. I felt like I was right on the field celebrating with them. When they lost the 1991 World Series in extra innings, I cried as I felt it was heartbreaking, after being in last place the year before. When Mark Wohlers gave up Jim Lerityz's series turning homer in the 1996 WS, I screamed every curse at the TV. Bobby Cox was my team's leader. for two decades, and through three presidencies. I don't relate to current manager Fredi Gonzalez the way I did to Cox.
 
For me it's the players. My greatest moments as a sports fan came from watching the "greatest show on turf" St. Louis Rams. So many talented players, coached offensively by Mad Mike Martz. Even when they weren't very good, such as when they had a horrendous defense in 2000, their offense made them a fascinating team to watch. After they lost to the Patriots in the Superbowl and Kurt Warner left, it just wasn't the same. I actually became a cardinals fan for a while just because they had Kurt Warner, for example.
 
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