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Stupid Big Mouth Braves Shoot Off Mouths In New York Papers

Mitchell

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Although the Atlanta Braves have won fourteen straight division titles, and I have always been a big fan of theirs, win or lose, I was outraged at their headline bantering in today's New York newspapers.
While in the market today, I picked up a copy of the New York Post. On the back page, was the headline about this weekend's Mets-Braves series in Atlanta, with quotes from the Braves that they are "taking dead aim on the National League East division, and have sights on "sweeping the Mets".
I have news for you, Atlanta Braves, stop shooting your mouths off, and get to a dose of reality here. You are five games under 500, at 48-53, and 12 games out. With 61 games left, if you play 500 ball the rest of the season, which is better than you've been playing this season as a whole, that is 31-30, which would leave you at 79 wins, and not as the wild card. I can understand the Braves being fired up, and wanting to play well against their long time arch rival, the Mets, especially in the first season where the Mets have a better record than the Braves, however, do your talking on the field, not in the papers.
Were I the Braves players, what I would have said was:" We respect the Mets, and know they have had a good season. We believe our team is good as well, and we hope to play well this weekend, and for the rest of the season, to hopefully earn a spot in the playoffs, and if it is as the wild card, so be it" This way, they lend respect to the Mets for their fine season so far, and yet give themselves enough incentive to play well, and get into the playoffs.
Conversely, at 60-41, if the Mets play 19 games over 500 for the rest of the season, as they have so far, they end up 40-21 the rest of the way, and at 100 wins, truly a great season. They may not get to 100, but 90 to 95 wins, and an easy division title win, by at least 10 games, if not more, is likely.
Braves, get real, you have played decent ball in the month of July, before the series with the Marlins. Shut your mouths, play well as you have, win as many games as you can, and hopefully, set your sights on realism, and a wild card spot. The division, unless the Mets absolutely collapse, and you play on fire as you did in 1991 or 1993, is lost, and was with your pathtetic 6 and 21 record in June. As a Braves fan, I always root for my team, but I am a realist. We are only 5 1-2 games out of the wild card spot with 60 games left, not a bad showing, considering we were 10 out of the wild card a few weeks ago. If we continue to play as we have the last month, the wild card is a definite possibility, but we dont need to insight the team that has been the class of the division all year, and basically has never been challenged. Go out, play well, and keep your mouths shut. Do your talking on the field with your play, and not in the papers with your mouths. Let's play well, win every game we can, and just try to get in the playoffs even as the wild card. If we do that, who knows what can and will happen?!

Mitch

One more point of math. If the Mets do in fact play at the 40-21 pace that they have over the first part of this season, nineteen games over 500, Atlanta would have to go 52 wins, 9 losses the rest of the year, just to tie them. Not gonna happen. Wild card, Braves, maybe, if you play well, so shut up, and play, boys, on the field, not in the papers.
 
Regardless of whether you are the team in first place or the team chasing them, it is never a good idea to make statements that can be taped to the wall in the other team's clubhouse and inspire their players to maximum effort against you.

Yes, that was quite stupid for the Braves players involved.
 
The Braves big mouths came back to haunt them, as, most baseball fans know, the game is now over, and Atlanta lost, 6-4. Pedro wasnt great tonight, but the Mets did what they had to, and Atlanta could not rally. At thirteen games out in the NL East at present, Atlanta is NOT going to catch the Mets. Their only hope is the wild card. They were 5 1-2 out at the beginning of tonight, but have had a one and three homestand. If they dont pick up their play on the field, they will be home come October, instead of in the playoffs.
Two more games left in this series, hopefully Atlanta can do their talking with their play on the field, keep their mouths shut, and win some games.

Mitch.
 
Pedro had an off night but the Mets took care of what they had to do. I just hate how some braves fans still think they are winning the East. Its not going to happen just let it go
 
Mitch, again with all due respect to you, there is part of me that believes that the Braves ( at least thoses who have been there ) have earned a right to run their mouths. Is that like the Braves??? NO!!! Bobby Cox is usually very guarded about what is said. Chipper Jones is always a class act as is Andruw and I am a little surprised they would say anything. But maybe the Braves were counting on the Mets to melt under that kind of pressure. I am not sure. I do know that Pedro got better as the night went along. He actually retired the last 12 batters he faced as the Mets withstood a four run first by the Braves to beat the Braves 6-4.
 
Angel, I am not one of those fans. I basically gave up on the East when the Mets manhandled Atlanta back in May, and have said since then that if the Braves are looking to make the playoffs, the wild card is their best bet.
4u, I completely understand what you are saying, and I appreciate the respect you have for me, and the Braves. I do agree that usually Cox and the Braves havent shot their mouths off over their run of 14 straight division championships. However, this is a new year, and a new circumstance. Right now, the Mets seem a playoff lock unless they absolutely collapse, and the Braves will need to plug away, just to get in as the wild card. If the Braves were closer to the Mets, say, within striking distance, single figure deficit in the division, and leading, or close, in the wild card, then, maybe their running their mouths wouldnt bother me as much. I think the Mets sent a message tonight, and now the Braves will need to answer, and will probably have to do so without Chipper Jones the rest of this weekend, because he hurt his side again tonight, as you probably know.
The Braves have made some good moves this last week or so, acquiring Bob Wickman, and now Denny Baez. I read a rumor on the Braves official website, that said they are thinking of reacquiring Greg Maddux. Hopefully, they will right the ship, and make the wild card. I just wish they would do their talking with their play on the field, and not with their mouths in the papers.

Mitch
 
No I know you are not a fan like that Mitchell, I like you and respect what you have to say as a braves fan b/c you are one of the few real fans. I just don't like to see fans(of any team) say that they have a shoot when its so clear they don't
 
Yes, I am a real fan. I have been a Braves fan since 1983, including from 1985 to 1990 when they were the worst team in baseball. I was not one of these fans who jumped on the bandwagon when the Braves became good in 1991.
I have only heard of one time where a team had as big of a lead as the Mets do now, and someone came back to catch them. It was in 1951 with the Dodgers/Giants playoff. Someone, I cant remember which of them led the other by 13 games, and the other team came back to tie, setting up a three game playoff, when Bobby Thomson hit the legendary "Shot Heard Round The World" to propel the Giants to the pennant.
I support my team, good or bad. Right now, I am hoping that Atlanta has enough to make it to the wild card. Although, they are now 6 1-2 out after last night's loss. If they dont turn it around in a hurry, they will be sitting home come October.
Thanks for the vote of confidence, Angel, it is appreciated.

Mitch
 
Mitchell said:
While in the market today, I picked up a copy of the New York Post. On the back page, was the headline about this weekend's Mets-Braves series in Atlanta, with quotes from the Braves that they are "taking dead aim on the National League East division, and have sights on "sweeping the Mets".

Hasn't worked out that way. The Mets will increase their lead in the series, and have a chance to sweep the Braves.
 
idk bout every1 else but i for one would love for the Bravos to make wild card. that would be one hell of a NLCS (knock on wood). the players do need to keep their mouths shut tho as the Mets have all but run away with the NL east at this point ive said this b4, we need to beef up this rivalry to a NYY/BOS kinda level. honestly, its not even on the same level as Ranger/Islander in my book.
 
Right now, Angel, the way the Braves are playing, they might finish last. Their GM has made some interesting moves the last few days, but it might be too much, too little, too late.
I am still hopeful of the Braves turning things around, and making the wild card. It could happen, but it could also be that they might well finish far out of the wild card. For them to make the wild card, they have to win some games, and quick.

Mitch
 
Thats true but I just don't want to face the Braves in the playoffs, they still scare me as a Mets fan. I could see them winning a short 5 game series vs the Mets and that would crush all the Mets fans hopes and Dreams
 
Angel_2 said:
Thats true but I just don't want to face the Braves in the playoffs, they still scare me as a Mets fan. I could see them winning a short 5 game series vs the Mets and that would crush all the Mets fans hopes and Dreams

tru tru.... how would u like a '86 20th aniversary reunion with the Sox? that would be interesting to say the least
 
Sounds good but after the way they killed us up in B-Town I don't think I want to play them.
 
Angel, they cant play the Mets in the first round, because of the rule that you cant play the wild card team from your own division in the first round, even if Atlanta does make the wild card. This happened in 1999. Braves won the East, Mets were the wild card, they didnt play until the second round, with the Braves having the home field advantage in a seven game series, and the Braves won in six games. If Mets and Braves play, it would be in the second round, and Mets would have home field, with four games at Shea and three at Turner.
This is all very unlikely, unless Atlanta hits a big hot streak. They have many teams in front of them, and I am not confident at all about them making the wild card.

Mitch
 
I know we can't play the braves untill the 2nd round, but my fear is that if we do that we(The Mets) could lose in that round
 
I see what you are saying. Anything could happen, like in 2000 when the 88 win Yankees beat the Mets in the WS, when the Mets had a better record than the Yankees in the regular season.
Right now, Atlanta is 7 games out of the wild card, headed into today. We have a long uphill climb. I hope we make it, but realistically, after our play on this homestand, and with all the teams ahead of us, unless we turn it around quickly, I have a strong feeling that you may not have to worry about the Braves in the postseason this year.

Mitch
 
Well, the Mets have made the Braves pay again. Today, in the second inning, the Mets lead 7-0. It looks like they will sweep a series in Atlanta for the first time in 21 years, with the last time being July 4-7 1985. Atlanta will be 15 out in the East, and as much as 7 1-2 out in the wild card. This series, and the one and five homestand, may well be the dagger through the heart of the Atlanta Braves season. Right now, they are a sorry excuse for a baseball team.

Mitch
 
Mitchell, I must say that I was surprise that the Mets swept the Braves. Happy??? YES!!! I did not think Atlanta would go down in three straight games in the " House Of Horrors "!!! Hopefully for your sake, the Braves get it figured out. But unlike the other Mets fans, I welcome the opportunity to play the Braves in the playoffs.
 
ticklingfeet4fu said:
But unlike the other Mets fans, I welcome the opportunity to play the Braves in the playoffs.

what are u talkin bout? i sed id love to see a NYM/ATL NLCS. i wanna see this rivalry get somewhere near the level of NYY/BOS. again ill say its barely on the level of NYI/NYR.
 
4u, and mufusa, so would I. To be honest, the way Atlanta is playing, at 6 1-2 out of the wild card, with about nine teams ahead of us, I'd say that it is very remote that Atlanta will get into the playoffs. Unless the Mets stage a collapse of historic measure, the NL East is wrapped up. As for the wild card, Atlanta has an outside shot at that, but they will need to play as they did on their last road trip, and stop giving away series, and games. If not, they will be sitting at home watching the playoffs this October, instead of playing in them, for the first time since 1990.

Mitch
 
You know Mitch it will take about 85 to 88 win to win the Wild Card. With 58 games remaining, you would need to win 37 to 40 games. Cincinnati is ONLY 5 games over .500. It is not like they have run off and hid. Florida, Philadelphia, Colorado and San Francisco are in my opinions non-factors. I still think Atlanta has a chance at the wildcard. But they MUST play better than they did this weekend or they are through.
 
Agreed. Well, Atlanta won tonight, and the Reds lost, so now they are only 5 1-2 down. That kind of deficit can be made up in 2 months, but they cant go off and have a good road trip, then return to Atlanta and screw up like they did last week. Also, Braves Reds in Cincy this weekend. Atlanta really needs two of three there. Psychologically, the Mets and most others feel the Braves were finished this weekend after that sweep. It remains to be seen if they can get one last gasp, while hanging on life support, and pull through, or if their remarkable run of playoff appearances will come to an end with a miserable thud.

Mitch
 
You have the Pirates and the Reds this week. You can gain 3 games this week in the standings with plenty of time left. As far as if the Mets believe that they left Atlanta for dead, I doubt it. Maybe Mets fans but not the Mets themselves. I think until the Mets actually don't see Atlanta in the post season or the Mets eliminate the Braves completely, I don't believe that Willie Randolph will ever underestimate Atlanta.
 
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