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That is one CRAAAZYYY B*TCH!!!

tieler said:
I must completely disagree with kls.
This man and woman were in a relationship that lasted for 18 months. It wasn't simply a one night stand or anything quick and easy. They went through their relationship and it never got serious. Not with him anyway. It seems this woman thought it was serious and when she realized he was not serious she took revenge.
kls seems to be of the belief that just because a woman can snap like this, then the man is also to blame because he should have somehow known better.
This is simply garbage. It is the same old blame the victim routine. It is wrong when it used against a woman and it is wrong when it used against a man.
I simply don't see how anyone can take this woman's (or even kls's) side. Put the so called injustices on a scale and see if they balance. On the one side we have a guy who dumped his girlfriend and on the other we have a girl who in response faked physical assaults and had the guy wrongly imprisoned.
If you can see yourself siding with the girl I suggest you need to talk to someone because your worldview is skewed.
people get dumped everyday and while they may have their own little drama to deal with, it usually doesn't involve the authorities are filing false complaints. At least I would hope it does not.
Kls blames the guy for "not taking a relationship seriously", as if somehow there is some sort of law that says he must. I say the girl should maybe not get into any relationship if she cant deal with any outcome that doesn't match her delusions. It is clear the woman in this story cannot deal. I say lock her up!
Also kls says there are consequences to sex. File that under "no kidding". Every action has a reaction and of course there are consequences to sex, be it casual or even in a commited relationship. In your warnings to men kls you seem to forget that you ladies need to take the same advice. There are consequences. The thing is that you can't go around destroying peoples lives, and that is what this woman attempted to do, just because you can't handle the consequences.
Honestly I see why kls wants to voice the viewpoint of women, but this is beyond man/woman dynamics. This is about a person who is troubled and her troubles are causing other people pain. Not the "my boyfriend/girlfriend broke up with me" pain, but the "this person has really destoryed my life" type of pain.
I think I am saying too much and maybe I am losing my point. Suffice it to say that the woman was wrong and there is no reason to believe that this guy "deserved" anything that happened to him. Nor should he have been expected to foresee that maybe any new woman he meets could be a psycho. That is not a world I, nor anyone else, should want to or have to live in.

Are you serious????

Have you read any of my posts, or are you just sounding off in your defense of this man? If you actually read my posts, I'm not defending this woman at all. What I am saying is a warning to guys who think women are on the earth for their use. You can open the gates of hell if you mess around with the wrong one. He's lucky she didn't kill him. I hope he learned something from this and chooses to make better decisions in the future.

I don't think she was right at all! She gives women a bad name! However, remember Shakespere's statement "hell hath no fury than a woman scorned" I bet this guy will never forget it.

You only want to deal with the end result-I want the entire story. It always takes two. Relationships are never one-sided. Once again, you can hate what I said all you want. But you should let the comments sink in and think about them before you blow them off and go off on some tangent thinking I'm some bitter woman justifying her vengence. It's simply not true!
 
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the feminists abound everywhere now...hopefully they cross paths with those who have psychotic qualities....

the women I have been around are rather lucky that im not into women...as I don't have the patience that many of my friends do...and I would probably spend the rest of my nights in prison, re-living the images of what I'd done. The truth is is that I have dreams of doing things to certain (I hate them so that I can't even think of a word to use) females that have ruined my friends and brothers life....these girls know me, so they don't argue with me...we tend to just be very, very respectful of each other even though I have nothing but pure hatred for them in my heart. This notion that this guy did anything wrong is absurd, and it does nothing but piss me off. Anyone who isn't a feminist can see it. Hell, my brother is absolutely fucked for life due to a bitch who lied in court about him not paying anything on child support, thus he had to start all over, even though he had payed thousands. The proof of his payments were torn up by her, I admit it was a bad decision for my brother to trust her, but thats what he did. Now he can't even afford his own place, because all of his money goes to her. She is a leech to society and deserves to be punished dearly. And she will be someday...by some guy who doesn't put up with it...I only wish I could be there to see it. or contribute. I'd love nothing more than to smash that pretty little face, make it real ugly, then she wouldn't be able to sucker guys into her little games. I am well aware of the fact that women are not toys...as was stated earlier nobody forced her to have sex with him...she had no right to do what she did...and if it had been me, let's just say the outcome of this story would have ended in "tragedy". Sorry if Ic ome off as crazy, but thats only because I am crazy. Im willing to admit it now, rather than continuing on this endless quest of "self discovery" I tire of holding back what I really feel for fear of non-acceptance....Not being taken seriously really affects ones mind, trust me I know. Thinking about what I would like to do to people like this girl, the methods I would use...is similiar to choosing a favorite song off of a great classical album...it's just too hard, because all of them are so expertly crafted....either way, I like what I am, and what I've become. I won't listen to those around me who have chosen to ridicule what I say and what I do in my personal life. Those who do not feel me are no longer real to me. Sorry for the hijack, typing this feels good...and I don't want to stop...I have no other outlets, so just ignore this post if you wish. I feel as though these types of people feel like they are immortal, as if nobody would dare challenge the rule that they have set....they take advantage of other peoples kindness and use it to thier advantage. This in my mind is a sin that deserves punishment....and I have watched it within my own family..watched it tear everything and everyone apart....when these types look for thier own personal salvation, as I have found out..they instead find thier own personal hell. The truth is, there are no answers....and it's not because we are asking the wrong questions...it's simply because there are no answers....the only ones to blame are ourselves for the questions that have no answers. It's as if demons have been tearing at me for long periods of time, and they take delight in seeing me deteriorate. I've looked to God but the conclusion that I have come to is that God exists only in the minds of those who believe...I chose to believe..making me, in essence, God. You can see the theory I present. Either way, I have gone off topic far too much, forgive me, it's just hard to stop, because it feels good knowing that someone, anyone will read it... And will have heard what I had to say. No offense to anyone here, this is a mere rant based on the emotions that have filled my entire body after reading all this. Things that should be behind me linger still, rushing to the top of my head as I read this. Im better now.


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This story really hits home to me. My father and I went through very much of the same thing. My mother was a constant nag. My father (who had a serious heart condition) worked himself physically and mentally to the BONE, and it was never enough for her. She'd have a way of following you around the room, never leaving you alone, until you thought your head was going to explode.

One day, my father and mother were arguing in their bedroom. It got to the point (I witnessed the whole thing) that my father said: "If you don't leave me alone, I'm going to blow my head off. Go away." Then, an amazing thing happened... my mother shut up. I sat down with my dad to talk a little with him after she left the bedroom. My father and I never left the room.

Ten minutes later, there's a knock at the door. It's the police. Four of them. Next thing I know, my father is being ARRESTED on charges of a terroristic threat with a firearm (we keep one locked in it's holster in the house). My mother had called the police and claimed that my father had taken his gun out of its holster, put her in a headlock, and jammed the butt of the gun up against her temple and threatened to kill her. That was all the cops needed to hear. My father was gone. It didn't matter that my mother had NO MARKS on her. You'd think that a 130 lb. woman would have several bruises/abrasions from being put in a brutal headlock and having a metal gun jammed against her skull by a muscular 210 lb. man. It didn't matter that I had been a witness to the whole argument that day. Nope, no sir. You see, I had a penis and so my word didn't count. My eyewitness account to the police was stopped midway with a wave of my mother's hand, while she proclaimed airily: "Oh, he's bulldozed by his father. Don't listen to anything he says." They stopped the interview with me after that.

After my father, a man who never had a record his ENTIRE LIFE, was strip searched (to teach him a lesson, he later told me the police said), and put in jail for two days with common criminals, he was let out, but he couldn't go back home. Nope. Restraining order. He could stay on-property to work our business (a kennel), but he had to stay in a hotel while my mother lived and slept in the splendor my father labored so terribly hard to give us.

After pretrial intervention (he was told to take this route by a dozen lawyers), and a humiliating speech from the judge, he was put on probation for nearly 2 years. The restraining order was dropped and all was tense but very quiet at home. Weirdly calm. My father and I bonded. We went to movies together, had countless late-night talks in diners, walked on the boardwalk very late in the evening, etc. Then things got worse.

It started when I was helping my father work the kennel one afternoon after school. Two police cars showed up in or driveway. My father had to leave. My mother had called and said he was verbally abusing her. No, it doesn't matter that your son and your customers are saying that you haven't been in the house for the past two hours. You still have to go. You have two minutes to get some clothes.

This time I couldn't keep my cool. I was 15 years old and now there was a strong bond between me and my father. I cursed the cops. I told them they were pigs. I stared at an older one and told him I smelled bacon. I spit on their car. I was almost arrested. The only reason I wasn't was because my father stood between me and the enraged cop (the older one really wanted to take me in... the younger one just looked like he felt really bad) and told him that if he wanted to take his son in, he'd have to shoot him first. Cop threw his hands up and just said forget it, just get your ass off the property. Wham. My father gone for another week, with my mother's condescending laughter ringing in my ears as my father drove off.

After that things were very different. My father and I bonded closer still, but when we came home from the movies or a restaurant, we wouldn't go home. We'd drive by the house to see if there were police in the driveway first. We never knew when they would be waiting for my father. Sometimes my mother would call them in the dead of night and my father would be awoke with police barging in with guns drawn. My father was repeatedly kicked out... perhaps a total of six or seven times. I cried a lot. My father, who I never saw cry even at my grandfather's funeral, broke down and cried sometimes too.

Soon, my father began talking of suicide. To me. He had no one else to speak to. I tried to tell him it was crazy, insane, but he wouldn't listen to me. There I was, 15 going on 16, listening to my father talk about killing himself. Things got worse and worse. My father always wanted us to be a family. He loved wolves and used their family pack as an example to try and live by. What my mother did broke his heart in a million different ways.

One afternoon I returned home from school and my mother's parent's (my mother was adopted so I have no relation to her side of the family) were at my house. I knew this meant trouble. They hated my father just as much as my mother. I got in the house and they all turned to me with this gleam in their eyes that I will never forget. This glittering, gleeful hatred. They all wore identical shit-eating grins on their faces. I dully remember wanting to rip their lips off. They told me my father attempted suicide, but he didn't succeed. He had locked himself in the separate two car garage we had and turned on the two vehicles and tractor. My mother had heard the noise, pulled his unconscious body out, and called an ambulance. They got to him in the nick of time. He was in detox at the local hospital. He would be put in Shoreline Medical Center for further evaluation (the local booby hatch).

Shoreline did nothing for my father but put him on various drugs. He said the right things at group therapies and was let out a couple weeks later fifteen pounds heavier and in a drugged stupor. The drugs sucked the life out of my father. He was always a very jovial man - he had done stand-up comedy for awhile. During the time my father was on the drugs, he never made any jokes. He was never happy, sad, or angry - he was nothing. An empty shell that picked at his food and looked at you with wet eyes that had a distant, veiled hurt in them, just below the surface. Even my mother hated the drugs - she could no longer goad my father into arguments. My father would just sit there like a blob and take it.

Eventually, my father got off the drugs. He lost the extra pounds, and became his usual self. Things sort of calmed down. My mother was up to her usual self-deceptions and double-speak. My father had never REALLY wanted to kill himself. It was all bullshit, even though the paramedic had told her that her husband was one hair from death when she aired her opinions at the hospital. But still, things were quiet. The divorce was slowly but surely coming along. Amazingly, my father still didn't want it, but my mother pushed it through. We sold the house. We moved into an apartment while looking for a new house. My father allowed my sister and mother to move in with us. I told him it was a bad idea, they were just going to use us until they found a place of their own. He wouldn't listen. He still had hope for us as a family. He still loved us.

The inevitable happened. My mother started a huge argument. She threw a phone book at my father. I called the police. They arrived, and the only reason we weren't kicked out o four apartment was because my father's name was on the lease and I called and stated my father's case first. It's almost like a game. Whoever cries wolf first wins. So my sister and mother left. THEY had plenty of time to gather their things. Three hours worth. Then, a cop came up to me and told me I was going with my mother. Here I was, now 16 years old (17 in another two months), and I'm being told which parent to go with. I said no. The cop said yes. So I thought quickly. I said that if you force me to go with my mother, you'll be arresting me because I would beat the living hell out of her. I would beat her until she stopped moving, and then you'll have to talk to your supervisor and a grand jury and explain why you ordered me to go with my mother when you knew I was going to hurt her. I said this loud enough that all the other onlookers from the apartment complex could hear it.

The words tasted like acid in my mouth. I hated to say it, but I did not want to live with that thing - I didn't know her anymore.

The cop stared at me, openmouthed. Then he just walked off to help my mother with her clothes. I mentally noted no one helped my father when he was forced to leave.

To make a long story short, things are better now for me and my father. I really don't talk with my mother anymore. I can't. I don't know her, and I think I can honestly say I hate her. I don't feel anything for her.

My father and I had to move out of town. People we knew for decades wouldn't speak to us anymore. We had to change doctors, dentists, veterinarians, everything. All of a sudden every time we tried to make an appointment they were booked. Or the receptionist would just hang up on us outright. My father lost any acquaintances he knew. His reputation was completely destroyed. Over lies. All lies. And greed. My mother wanted the money. That's all she wanted, and when she found out the pot wasn't as rich as she thought it was, she claimed alimony. She got it, of course, because we all know how independent today's women are -- until they're separated from their hubbies, that is.

My mother will die old and alone. That's her punishment. The only one I can legally give her. I will never include her in my family. If I have children, I will tell them their grandmother is dead. She died at 4:36 PM, January 14th, 1999. The exact time she made that first call to the police.

To kis123: You are either a sexist who is very bitter, or you are using this example in hopes of pushing your moralistic agenda forward. Better commit, boys, or THIS will happen to YOU! You are despicable.

I had a g/f of 2.5 years cheat on me. Should I call the police and have her arrested? Should I cut myself up and claim it was her doing? She didn't commit to me. That's what she deserves, doesn't she? Sounds like someone didn't commit to YOU and you may have fantasized about doing the very things this sick **** (if this woman is not a ****, then I don't know who is) has done.

Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, the men didn't like the woman? Maybe she had wacky political views. Maybe she was paranoid. Maybe they suspected she was off her rocker (and they would have been more than correct). Maybe they just didn't jive after awhile. You have NO IDEA why these men broke off the relationship. It was THEIR CHOICE to end the relationship. No woman should have the right to force a man to say stay in a relationship where he is unhappy. No woman should be allowed to punish a man for not wanting to be with them. I seriously doubt if the roles were reversed you would be espousing your current viewpoints.

No woman should have a right to lock a man up on words alone. A woman's word (or anyone's word) means NOTHING. Absolutely NOTHING. People lie. Women LIE. Men LIE. You need to have EVIDENCE. PROOF. And even then, if the defendant is able to provide evidence to counter yours (i.e. alibis/witnesses/documentation), then you must let him/her go.

We must stop locking innocent men up and RUINING THEIR LIVES on the whim of some woman who is on an estrogen binge.

This woman should be jailed for 20 years, minimum. I'm pretty sure that's what these men would have received had her story held up. No slaps on the wrists. We should come down on liars of domestic violence and rape HARD. These men's lives will NEVER BE THE SAME. Her life should be similarly wrecked, plus jail time. She should never be allowed to do this to another innocent victim. THAT is justice.
 
OBleedingMe;

I feel you had to live through a horrible situation. I've lived through a similiar one with my childhood, relationships, and even marriage. I do have understanding of what you went through and this explains a lot.

Having said that, YOU AND OTHERS HAVE TOTALLY MISUNDERSTOOD MY INTENTIONS FROM THE BEGINNING!!! Calling me sexist and dispicable is immature and petty and settles nothing! I don't and have NEVER justified this woman's actions at all, however you choose to feel that I have. I just said I understood where it came from.

I don't know how many times you men will miss the point. I don't know how many times I said I saw it from both sides because there is always more than one side of the story. I'm not some twentysomething who hasn't lived long enough to know that. I've been through a lot more than you will ever go and my perspective is broader and not nearly as narrow minded as you have assumed and put in writing.

Sorry this story came so close to home for you. Calling me names will not change your situation and blaming me for having a different perspective won't ease your pain.

You're screaming to a person whose mother was screwed up and whose father screwed around-your childhood, although horrific, pales in comparison to what I've lived. I could write a book and a movie of the week and no one would believe that it was my reality! You're preaching to the choir and you've made a terrible mistake if you think I agree with that woman's actions! They're not justifiable, but I do understand where that vengence and vindictiveness came from . She acted out of her emotions and made her imagination become real. She actually did what others would be ashamed to think of much less actually do. She should (and probably will) be punished to the fullest extent of the law!

I stand behind what I said 1000% and I believe that by looking at this from both perspectives keeps this from happening to other people, not just saying how bad she was and how it shouldn't have happened to him. HELL NO, IT SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED TO HIM!!! But it did, and an intelligent dialogue should take place so others can learn something, even if it's something they don't want to learn or hope doesn't happen to them. It's called reality and we live in a world full of sick people and we need to learn how to spot it and how to deal with it effectively so no one else has to go through this!

I'm sure I've not made myself clear but that's because people choose to remain closed and not open to other possibilities. You're free to make up your own mind your own way.
 
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tieler said:
kls, just because you believe you are right doesn't make it so. being all cynical and world-weary in the ways of sex and romance does not make you right.

I am not defending the man in the story, because there is nothing to defend. If this man were tried in court all you could convict him of was involuntary poor taste in women.

Yes there are sick people out there, thanks for the newsflash. But your idea that the vicitm "should have known better" is just sad. it is cynical and valueless.

But lets just say your right, and by the way your not. By your logic, people should never, ever get together. Because you know what, you really never know, because, really, you just don't ever know. That really great guy or girl your dating now could just ultimately be a psycho. And it may never come out for years. And if it bites you in the ass, well you should have known better, by your logic. "Hell hath no fury" and "it takes two to tango" and all the other cliches you spout.

Maybe you are not defending the woman actions, but you seem more interested in telling people out there to watch their asses. You seem to be under some impression that the man in the story was toying with this woman's emotions. Obviously I will never know the full details but it doesn't appear as if he did anything to warrant what happened to him. There is no indication that he beat her, or humiliated her or abused her in any way. Her feelings got bent out of shape because the relationship didn't go her way. And because she is unhinged and he dumped her, well, he should have known better.

Well here is another newsflash, people get hurt in relationships all the time. In the time it took me to write this sentence, someones feelings were crushed. But guess what, we get over it. And the large majority of us never go out of our way to destroy the other persons life. Sure in our minds we come up with all sorts of delightful revenge scenarios, but guess what, we don't act on them. Because we aren't psychopaths. We are civilized members of a society. Most of us anyway.

Sure psychos exist, but there mere existence shouldn't be reason enough to allow for a certain amount of anti-social behavior. We as citizens of a civilized society should expect people to behave accordingly. If that is too much to ask, then we really need to reassess our existence.

I am glad that you want to see the "whole" story. I hope it makes you feel all warm and superior. But ultimately that view is just more of the same old compromised BS. Of course, one should weigh all factors, Weighing all factors is a good thing, but it doesn't make you special. Seeing both sides is essential, but ultimately one side is wrong. And it is obvious to everyone here that the woman is wrong. The man in this story was a victim. The woman clearly has problems and that will be considered at the time of punishment, but she is still wrong.

Seeing two sides is great but not if it prevents you from taking a position. I can see her side and his side. And she is wrong. She is mentally unbalanced, at least I hope so, because otherwise she is a world class C U Next Tuesday!

But hey, i guess the guy should have known better, if he was going to be all presumptious and do something wacky. Like date her.

I'm glad I'm a big girl and can handle the blows I've been getting thrown around here! It's okay if you disagree with me as I throughly disagree with you. At least you haven't reduced yourself to name calling and bitterness.

The only point I ever tried to make was that people should take more time in the dating process before they bring sex into the equation. Sex changes everything and it makes it harder to get out of the relationship if it goes south. What's wrong with that? There was a time where people didn't have sex until they got married! I'm not telling you to do that because in today's society, no one wants to wait for anything anymore. Everyone wants everything now, now, now! But you can wait several weeks or a few months before you bring anything sexual. A lot of problems could be avoided in the courting process while you're trying to get to know someone.

How many times have you heard people say "I never saw that coming?" Do you know why people usually say that? It's because they never really took the time to get the other person and just date for awhile before cementing the relationship physically. THAT GOES FOR MEN AND WOMEN, BTW!! Men are not all dogs, and women are not all innocent victims. To be exact, if a woman continues a pattern of victimization, the fault is hers and hers alone to bear until she grows up, bucks up, and demands respect in her relationships. It's called responsible behavior, something many women lack these days. The blame game door swings both ways and don't ever think kis will justify her responsibility away!!

Do you fellas really think this is exclusive to the man in the news? If OBM makes no other point, he takes it from the headlines and makes it real and very possible to happen to any one of you if you're not careful and watch for the signs of instability in the woman you may date someday. That's all I've ever said--now what did I say wrong? If you're not going to exercise wisdom in dating, maybe you shouldn't date at all!

This is why the article should be used as an education, not laying the blame game. Blaming is not going to get his reputation back. It's not going to recoup the legal costs or the fact that everyone in the world knows his business. But if he learned something from the experience and not just blowing her off as some crazy b**ch (which she definitely is) and just not moving on to the next one. He should be asking himself "why didn't I see this coming?" She should be asking herself "why do I attract men then chase them away or make them leave me?" "Why am I so clingy and needy and insecure?" "I'm an intelligent professional-why would I do this to someone and ruin two lives plus my own?"

I hope I made my point but I've probably just angered someone else. That's the nature of the beast of reason I guess. I just can't sit here and throw total blame on one side or the other. I'll leave that up to the ones who have.

I hope we can continue this discussion intelligently without name calling and accusations (OldBleedingMe). Everyone has something to share and if we don't agree, the world won't come to and end over it.
 
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Well I believe I've finally proved my point.

I never said I agreed or condone her behavior. Many women, myself included, have been devastated in prior relationships. It is not an excuse to carry out revenge. If you're patient, God has a way of taking care of it for you. But if you do it yourself, He'll let you hang to dry.

This is not a feminist issue-I don't agree with most of the feminism agenda anyway. What this woman did was unacceptable and just plain wrong. Even if the guy was wrong (and we don't know who was right or wrong at this point) she was still and always will be wrong.

A few guys got very angry with me over this--this is a very emotional issue and tempers can fly. However, my screename is kis and I would appreciate it in the future that that name is used to address me. We are supposed to be adults in this forum and namecalling is simply not necessary. Maybe if you're going to take things so personal, if you can't leave the name calling out, maybe you shouldn't post until you're calm enough to contribute in an intelligent and mature manner.

I'm pretty much done with this topic and hope the next thread I post to is met with much controversy and intelligent exchange of thoughts and opinions. That is why we all come here after all, right?
 
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