The Confederate Flag

[Texas_Tickle]

The debate over the Confederate Flag is not by any means, a new debate.

I support the Confederate Flag. Not because it is a symbol of racism, (although some will claim that), but I respect it as a symbol of Southern heritage.

There are some who will say that the Confederate Flag
only represents slavery, oppression, and injustice.

If people really want to shred the Confederate Flag, because they feel it represents racism, then to be fair, the same argument should be made about the US Flag (including the legendary flag designed by Betsy Ross).

Slavery was not just a "southern invention" regardless what you may hear from all the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharpetons of the world.

There were slaves that were brought to Colonial America, 100 years before there WAS an America.

Even when America claimed its independance, slavery and slave trade continued to florish **GASP**

In fact, until 1861, it was legal for all States, even those in the Union to own slavesx **GASP**

So regardless what the Jesse Jackons and Al Sharpetons of the world continue to foam at the mouth about, Slavery was not just a "Confederate Thing"

So if you feel the Confederate Flag should be "shredded" because it "is a symbol of rasicm", then why not say the same about the US Flag?

After all, slavery was a thriving industry, under the US Flag, until 1861. In fact President Lincoln said "If I could save the Union by freeing all slaves, I would. If I could save the Union by not freeing a single slave, I would also".

Also in the 1950s the "Jim Crow" laws regarding forced segergation (called "seperate but equal") were signed. Under these laws, blacks were 2cd class citizens, could only eat at the "black only" cafes and were forced to live in sub-standard housing.

Those laws were signed, with the blessing of the US Government and were signed under the US Flag **GASP**

So despite what Jesse Jackon, Al Sharpetons and the other hypocrites of the world continue to scream about at the top of their lungs, slavery was in no way, shape, or form a "southern thing". It was even a common pratice among warring African tribes, where the defeated were taken as slaves of the victors, and were either sold or were used for their own personal use.

So if you want to see the Confederate Flag "shredded" because it is a "symobl of racism", then the same should be said for the US Flag.

Unless you are a hypocrite.

 

[ShiningIce]

It was even a common pratice among warring African tribes, where the defeated were taken as slaves of the victors, and were either sold or were used for their own personal use.

True, however those slaves were considered human beings. They were not physically abused like they were here and torn from their families. Slaves there were not considerd 2/3 a person. Rape was not as numerous among the female slaves as it was here. 😡 🙄


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[Texas_Tickle]

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[Iggy pop]

The debate over the Confederate Flag is not by any means, a new debate.

I support the Confederate Flag. Not because it is a symbol of racism, (although some will claim that), but I respect it as a symbol of Southern heritage.

Why is the Confederate Flag such a symbol of Southern heritage? The civil war is one of the worst periods in our nation's history. It was a time when the nation was split in two and it was brother against brother. The South lost the war, and I'm glad they did. I don't think we would be the great nation of today if they had succeded. So what heritage are you trying to celebrate? [/B][/QUOTE]

There are some who will say that the Confederate Flag
only represents slavery, oppression, and injustice.

The Confederate flag is used by many as a symbol of white power.

There were slaves that were brought to Colonial America, 100 years before there WAS an America.

Even when America claimed its independance, slavery and slave trade continued to florish **GASP** [/B][/QUOTE]

True.

In fact, until 1861, it was legal for all States, even those in the Union to own slavesx **GASP**

Not True. Most of the Northern States had passed laws in the late 1700's and early 1800's banning slavery in their states. That is why many slaves tried to escape to these states.

So if you want to see the Confederate Flag "shredded" because it is a "symobl of racism", then the same should be said for the US Flag.

Unless you are a hypocrite.

I think the Confederate flag belongs in museums and not in Court houses and state senate buildings. The Confederacy lost. We are one nation, so let's fly the American flag. I don't think that makes me a hypocrite.

 

[ShiningIce]

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[Texas_Tickle]

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[Shem the Penman]

I applaud your insight and sensitivity in posting this on Martin Luther King Day. Perhaps on Passover you can regale us with some theories on why the Holocaust was a hoax.

 

[Texas_Tickle]

I applaud your insight and sensitivity in posting this on Martin Luther King Day. Perhaps on Passover you can regale us with some theories on why the Holocaust was a hoax.

Did I mention the Jews? No? I didn't think so, son.

Now next time, why don't you read what is being written, rather than make it out to be something else, just to suit your own agendas.

 

[Iggy pop]

True, however those slaves were considered human beings. They were not physically abused like they were here and torn from their families. Slaves there were not considerd 2/3 a person. Rape was not as numerous among the female slaves as it was here. 😡 🙄

This is not true eithier. They were just as if not more brutal to their slaves in Africa. How do you think slave traders got their slaves? Did they conquer them? No they bought them from African conquers.

 

[Iggy pop]

Did I mention the Jews? No? I didn't think so, son.

Now next time, why don't you read what is being written, rather than make it out to be something else, just to suit your own agendas.

It seems you have your own agenda as well.

 

[Texas_Tickle]

It seems you have your own agenda as well.

Pray tell what are my agendas, since you obviously know everything in God's Universe?

 

[venray]

Amazing what one considers to be "intelligent debate"

As for the topic of the thread...MOST non racists consider the Confederate flag to be a symbol of a people divided by the issue of slavery to the point where they would kill fellow countryman rather than admit that they were wrong.... a museum is a good place for the flag, not flying from public buildings where many are offended.


Ven

 

[Texas_Tickle]

Amazing what one considers to be "intelligent debate"

As for the topic of the thread...MOST non racists consider the Confederate flag to be a symbol of a people divided by the issue of slavery to the point where they would kill fellow countryman rather than admit that they were wrong.... a museum is a good place for the flag, not flying from public buildings where many are offended.


Ven

Well, I thought this board was supposed to be tolerant of other people's opinions.....well I know that really means "be tolerant of other's who share the same opinions and yourself and the hell wityh what other people think"

But then again, I'm just a stupid Texas hick, right? And therefore I am not entitled to my own opinion....unless of course my opinion agrees with what everybody else says.

 

[kyle]

ShiningIce, show me some proof of how bad slaves were raped, tortured, and beaten. I would like for you to get some numbers of what percentage of slaves had to go through this. There's a flip side to everything, and some slaves were treated rather well. I see you're from California so I'm assuming you've never been to a plantation, you should probably visit one sometime to educate yourself.

True, however those slaves were considered human beings. They were not physically abused like they were here and torn from their families. Slaves there were not considerd 2/3 a person. Rape was not as numerous among the female slaves as it was here. 😡 🙄

 

[venray]

I am very tolerant of your opinions but not of you sitting here and in other threads merely trying to engage in trading insults...perhaps you should read what is being written "son" rather than to make it out to be something else just to suit your own agendas...🙄


Ven

 

[Texas_Tickle]

I am very tolerant of your opinions but not of you sitting here and in other threads merely trying to engage in trading insults...perhaps you should read what is being written "son" rather than to make it out to be something else just to suit your own agendas...🙄


Ven

I was not trading insults. I just hate the way that people assume that anybody who supports the Confederate Flag must be nothing more than a hood-wearing, cross-buring, Hitler-worshipping thug.

Also, I never said anything regarding the Jews, and do not like it when people put words in my mouth.

Shame on me for daring to correct the great, Holier-Than-God Shining Ice and his army of followers.

This is starting to get like AMT where nobody is allowed to have an opinion, without having everybody's blessing first.

 

[august spies]

although racism and slavery were much more rampant and widespread in the south, u brought up some good points about the north, shred both flags? fine with me

 

[venray]

Then please inform me, what are my agendas? I find it incredible that people who never even met me, know what my "agendas" are.

If you are that damned insightful, maybe you should be a psychic or something.

That's funny.. you didnt even recognize the fact that I merely used your own words from a prior post to Shem..I wasnt saying that you have any agendas merely that (In my opinion based on the very words you used and seemed to have conveniently forgotten) YOU are guilty of claiming that others do have agendas and that you are the "all knowing one"....😉

As I said..best read what is written...especially when one is himself the author..😀

Ven

 

[Texas_Tickle]

That's funny.. you didnt even recognize the fact that I merely used your own words from a prior post to Shem..I wasnt saying that you have any agendas merely that (In my opinion based on the very words you used and seemed to have conveniently forgotten) YOU are guilty of claiming that others do have agendas and that you are the "all knowing one"....😉

As I said..best read what is written...especially when one is himself the author..😀

Ven

Whatever Ray. Believe what you want, all that you want, just be sure the facts do not stand in the way of your conclusion.

Cheers.

 

[venray]

You have put forth the "facts" on which my conclusion was based my friend...i am sorry if you cannot see that...

Peace..

Ray

 

[Shem the Penman]

When you're done with the self-pity, may I suggest you find a dictionary, look up the word "analogy," and ponder until enlightenment comes.

 

[venray]

Rofl!

 

[ShiningIce]

Kyle Please you're just as bad as Ticklemonster My Great grandfather was from a plantation in South Carolina. And yes I visisted. House slaves were indeed treated better but that doesnt mean great. Ticklemonster YOUR reply was the first insult excahnged, and if opinions that differed from the norm werent allowed here Krokus (which is his real name) and I would have been the first persons kicked off the forum. If you wanna call yourself and ignorant hick Im not gonna argue with you. LOL I have no army of followers Im the one that everyone usually disagrees with. Dont you pay attention??? Iggy Pop some slaves were indeed sold off to Europeans and Americans however that was later in the slave trade.The ones kept in Africa were treated as I mention in my previous post.


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[Krokus]

Lol

Ticklemaster...you remind me of myself a year ago. You should have seen some of the things that Ice and I said...whew...glad it's over.


-Yanno, I just wanna add, some of the stuff we said back then was so utterly stupid...I am especially ashamed of the racism talks that always went on between us. I, for one, am glad to put that crap behind me.

 

[Krokus]

I applaud your insight and sensitivity in posting this on Martin Luther King Day. Perhaps on Passover you can regale us with some theories on why the Holocaust was a hoax.

LMFAO!! ....lol...that was funny. 😀