The moment it goes bad...

[mch5]

Hello,
This is the Evil-Psycho-Tickler, again.

Today's subject is: when Clips goes Bad...
Well, I know that most of the stuff out there is fake. But hey! sometimes acting can be good.
And yet, sometimes, there is a gesture, a sound or a face that ruin it all!
for example, A woman is being tickled, 10 fingers dancing on her feet and she laugh... but then, suddenly, she just stop laughing/screaming(if u like it) and for a micro second she is not ticklish anymore, and so she looks at her feet as if to check if she's still being tickled.. and then "goes back to work".
that moment kills it for me.

What do you think?

 

[voided9]

Yeahhh that's kinda ridiculous. That would kind of ruin it for me if I was watching.

 

[SoleMates]

I've never actually seen that happen.

 

[mch5]

I have, too many times.

 

[robmic]

If you've tickled enough people, you know the reactions they will have when you tickle the right areas. So when you see those areas tickled (the "right" way) [no willy-nilly, half-assed tickling], you pretty much know how they should react if they're really ticklish. And when they try to fake it, it's not hard to tell. So, to answer your question, yeah, a situation like you described would spoil the whole clip for me.

 

[Jagermeistered]

It was the outtake...

Ooooooops! 😛

 

[LRufus]

Happens way too often. XP

 

[ChicagoDavid]

I've seen that! Another is, when she struggles like crazy, as if she's insanely ticklish, then her hand comes out of the restraint, and she just holds her arm up, unrestrained, for the balance of the clip. Really, producer? You couldn't have at least cut, put the hand back in the restraint, and start again??

 

[SoleMates]

If you've tickled enough people, you know the reactions they will have when you tickle the right areas. So when you see those areas tickled (the "right" way) [no willy-nilly, half-assed tickling], you pretty much know how they should react if they're really ticklish. And when they try to fake it, it's not hard to tell. So, to answer your question, yeah, a situation like you described would spoil the whole clip for me.

If you've tickled enough people, you know that everybody reacts differently and that a lot of times, people here will cry "fake" when the model doesn't react in the way they think someone "should" react.

Like, when I released my last clip I got a comment about how Cat "didn't seem all that ticklish" despite the fact that she was laughing and kicking harder than Teri did, and the exact same person said that Teri "seemed really ticklish".

I released "Ticklish Tidbits" for precisely this reason; the girls were ticklish (all of them safeworded except for Ash) but they weren't "scream and thrash for a half-hour" ticklish, so I figured the video wouldn't sell.

Honestly, though? At the moment I'm pretty much tuning out all the feedback I get, because none of it's constructive, and even the positive feedback doesn't result in more sales. You loved my preview? Great. Did you buy the video? No. You didn't. And you're asking me for "more" of X model when I didn't even make back her hiring fee from the last shoot.

 

[ChicagoDavid]

[QUOTE
Honestly, though? At the moment I'm pretty much tuning out all the feedback I get, because none of it's constructive, and even the positive feedback doesn't result in more sales. You loved my preview? Great. Did you buy the video? No. You didn't. And you're asking me for "more" of X model when I didn't even make back her hiring fee from the last shoot.[/QUOTE]

Dude, as a businessperson, "tuning out all the feedback" you get from customers is never a good idea. It doesn't mean you take every suggestion made, but you want to at least think about it.

Sounds like the video biz is frustrating you. I hope it gets better for you!

 

[ElFewja]

I'll defend solemates on this because I've read some of the feedback the producers get. It's kind of common that people will cry out faking it and I think that also comes from a lack of any real tickling experience. I think a lot of these people only really watch some clips and see a sort of 'standard' and think that if a girl is actually ticklish, she'll react in one and only one way.

Example: there's a girl I know who is supposedly extremely ticklish but you would never know that because she doesn't laugh at all. Hell, I can never tell if I'm actually tickling her when I go at it but apparently I put her into hysterics? Kind of ridiculous.

Another girl I used to play a lot with would laugh and pull away as you would expect but she claimed that what tickled the most was the really light tickles, which she never laughed at. I guess she did the silent laughter thing for those, but yeah it really drove her nuts when I barely touched her. Maybe it didn't tickle more but she found it way less bearable.

But anyway back on point: most of the clips I've seen look genuine with few exceptions. I'm not sure which clips the OP is speaking of so I certainly can't comment but there have been plenty that some have claimed were faking, so I'd go check them out and... I just disagreed.

But subjectivity is subjective.

 

[SoleMates]

Dude, as a businessperson, "tuning out all the feedback" you get from customers is never a good idea. It doesn't mean you take every suggestion made, but you want to at least think about it.

"Tuning out" was a poor choice of words. Mulling it over a bit more, I'd say "take any and all feedback with a HUGE grain of salt."

I think it's because ultimately this is a business and people need to vote with their dollars. Like, the guy who started this thread is obviously referring to a specific clip by a specific producer, but he didn't say who it was (and it can't be all that common because as I've said, I've never actually seen it... except for once, a long time ago). But apparently it happens to him more than he can imagine, which means he keeps buying from the same producers over and over again despite not actually liking their product.

That's the thing I'm noticing more now that I'm a vendor, but I did notice before; customer feedback doesn't actually translate into business. Good feedback doesn't mean more sales, and bad feedback doesn't mean less sales; people just like to bitch.

Sounds like the video biz is frustrating you. I hope it gets better for you!

It does sound that way, but it's really not. I do feel it necessary to point out that a lot of times people complain about stuff you can't control or that doesn't make sense, but I don't get irked over it. I mean, if nobody buys my stuff, fine; I stop making it and they can go back to complaining about how Tommy is using his toothbrush five seconds too long.

I mean, taking the subject of the thread, look at it this way; I can tell the girl not to look at the camera, but if she does, what do I do? Scrap the entire shoot because somebody's gonna shout "fake!"? You can tell the girl what to do before you roll film, but if she doesn't do it, you can't just keep doing take after take, especially when she charges by the hour. And everybody wants sound, but nobody wants to hear the cameraman telling the girl what to do. Perfection ain't gonna happen.

 

[ChicagoDavid]

"Tuning out" was a poor choice of words. Mulling it over a bit more, I'd say "take any and all feedback with a HUGE grain of salt."

I think it's because ultimately this is a business and people need to vote with their dollars. Like, the guy who started this thread is obviously referring to a specific clip by a specific producer, but he didn't say who it was (and it can't be all that common because as I've said, I've never actually seen it... except for once, a long time ago). But apparently it happens to him more than he can imagine, which means he keeps buying from the same producers over and over again despite not actually liking their product.

That's the thing I'm noticing more now that I'm a vendor, but I did notice before; customer feedback doesn't actually translate into business. Good feedback doesn't mean more sales, and bad feedback doesn't mean less sales; people just like to bitch.



It does sound that way, but it's really not. I do feel it necessary to point out that a lot of times people complain about stuff you can't control or that doesn't make sense, but I don't get irked over it. I mean, if nobody buys my stuff, fine; I stop making it and they can go back to complaining about how Tommy is using his toothbrush five seconds too long.

I mean, taking the subject of the thread, look at it this way; I can tell the girl not to look at the camera, but if she does, what do I do? Scrap the entire shoot because somebody's gonna shout "fake!"? You can tell the girl what to do before you roll film, but if she doesn't do it, you can't just keep doing take after take, especially when she charges by the hour. And everybody wants sound, but nobody wants to hear the cameraman telling the girl what to do. Perfection ain't gonna happen.

Fair enough! Some day, I'll learn to do the quoting right. So, what do you think about my beef, with the vid clip where the model finds that her arm slipped out of the cuff, puts it back in, holds on, and laughs like crazy the rest of the clip?

 

[SoleMates]

Fair enough! Some day, I'll learn to do the quoting right. So, what do you think about my beef, with the vid clip where the model finds that her arm slipped out of the cuff, puts it back in, holds on, and laughs like crazy the rest of the clip?

I'm not sure what the problem is. Is it that the cuff wasn't tight enough? Or that she tried to correct the mishap by putting it back on? I don't see what her laughing has to do with sub-par bondage. I've worked with girls who could keep their feet in place (hell, I even dated one) no matter how badly you tickled them. "Holding your arms up" actually was the theme of a couple of PV vids, so even the ticklish girls can do it.

But personally, if that happened during a shoot I'd call "cut" and fix the cuff. When I say "perfection isn't going to happen" I don't mean "keep the camera rolling through every mishap". Lord knows producers make mistakes and do stupid things, and in that regard, feedback is a good idea.

My point is, the people complaining aren't having an effect unless they stop buying clips from producers who do the stuff they complain about. Yeah, okay, that "ruined" the clip for you - but you still bought it. And a week later, you bought the next clip that same guy put out. I'm sure he's crying all the way to the bank.

On the other hand, if you stop buying his clips and, say, start encouraging new producers who do make the stuff that you like, then the guy you don't like has to change if he wants to stay in business and you're rewarding people for producing stuff that you enjoy. In my own case, I have no idea how to monetize; everyone says my clips are great, and the only suggestions I'm getting are completely unworkable.

That's my main beef; for all of the complaining, the big guys are still doing just fine. And it's obvious the complaining is being directed at them, because nobody's buying clips from the little guys to complain about. (If they did, they wouldn't be little guys.) Meanwhile, they're telling guys like me our stuff is "HOT" (actual comment on "Ticklish Tidbits", one of my recent releases), but they're not actually buying it. If just a tenth of the 2,200 views I got for "Ash is Ticklish" actually bought the clip I'd be giddier than ten Japanese schoolgirls - but that didn't happen. I sold one clip.

EDIT:

Sorry, I just now saw you (ChicagoDavid's) comment about the girl holding her arm up without the cuff, which puts things into better context. Yeah, that's kinda lame; and I would definitely NOT leave that in if it happened on my shoot. It boggles my mind that some people are that sloppy and that some models are that obvious about faking it. Thing is, it's only that kind of stuff that people can point to when they think someone's faking... not the "wrong" kind of reactions. I mean, think about it; girl laughs too much, she's faking because she's over-acting. Girl laughs too little, she's faking because she doesn't seem ticklish enough. Can't win for losing, can you?

Seriously, though; If, as some people insist, "the majority of the girls are faking anyway"... Why do you keep buying their videos?

 

[ChicagoDavid]

Actually, I did stop buying from that producer for a good while. That producer had done a number of great clips, so I'm not naming him, as it seems unfair to put a big spotlight on the bad one when he has made so many good ones. But that one bad clip made me wonder who else was faking. [Though, to your point, perhaps she was not faking -- she could have been genuinely ticklish but also able to keep her arm up.] Personally, I do try to spread my purchases around, and try the smaller producers. Unfortunately, I'm strictly into the upper body clips...

 

[Antarion]

I'm glad to see producers are actual people with heartbeats... That makes me very sad that I can't buy my own clips, being a fresh 18 year old going off to college in the fall. (I have the money, but I lack an independant credit card and the moment I buy anything my parents will get suspicious of what I'm doing.) But I digress.

I used to watch the laughing gas productions videos, and they had next to no models who were actually ticklish. I understand what you're talking about. When I see a model has broken from restraints and doesn't try to undo herself, I usually think it's because they're getting paid to be tickled, and if they actually escape it might put a score against their paycheck.