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The Obesity Myth

Mimi

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Is your weight hazardous to your health? According to America’s public health authorities there’s an 80% chance that it is. From the Surgeon General’s office to the Centers for Disease Control, the National Institutes of Health, and our leading medical schools, America’s anti-fat warriors bombard us with dire warnings. According to such sources no less than four out of every five Americans maintain a medically dangerous body mass – nearly two-thirds of us are said to be overweight, while almost half the rest of us are categorized as too thin. Now a new study shows that medical studies have proven that dieting is actually among one of the worst things a person could do to their health. In fact, several decades’ worth of grim prophecies regarding the devastating health consequences of higher than average weight have turned out to be spectacularly inaccurate.

A professor of law at the University of Colorado, Paul Campos is a nationally recognized expert on the legal, medical, and political aspects of America’s war on fat. Campos’s work is grounded in years of extensive research as well as hundreds of interviews with leading doctors, scientists, eating disorder specialists, and psychologists, as well as ordinary people who have battled with their weight. Through his exploration of the science, culture, and politics behind America’s weight neurosis, Campos proves that claims about the supposedly devastating medical and economic consequences of “excess” weight are not scientific fact, but rather a product of greed, junk science supported by the weight loss industry, and, in some cases, outright bigotry. He blows the whistle on this witch-hunt masquerading as a public health initiative that has been encouraging Americans to hate our bodies if they fail to conform to an arbitrary and unrealistic ideal.

According to numerous recent studies from the authoritative Cooper Institute that were published in prestigious medical journals, a moderately active fat person is likely to be far healthier – and to live longer – than someone who is thin but inactive.

There is no good evidence that significant long-term weight loss is beneficial to health, and a great deal of evidence that short-term weight loss followed by weight regain is medically harmful.

Approximately 70 million adults are dieting to lose weight, and another 45 million are dieting to maintain their current weight. These percentages triple over the course of the last generation. Yet, Americans actually weigh on average 15 pounds more than they did 20 years ago.

“Fat” and “overweight” are cultural constructs, not scientific fact. According to the public health establishment’s current BMI definitions, Brad Pitt, Michael Jordan, and Mel Gibson are “overweight;” Russell Crowe, George Clooney, Tom Cruise and Sammy Sosa are all “obese.”

Several studies have suggested that African American and Hispanic girls tend to have much more positive body images than white girls. For example, one University of Arizona study found that, while only 10% of the white teenage girls surveyed were happy with their bodies, 70% of the black teenage girls were happy with theirs (the black girls weighed more, on average, than the white girls). Is it a coincidence that black women are both far less obsessed with weight than white women, and seem to suffer no significant ill health effects from even extreme levels of fatness? Researchers have been unable to find a relationship between increased mortality and body mass even among African American women who are classified as “morbidly obese.”

Despite a $50 million weight loss industry, we still have no idea how to make fat people thin. Instead with the entrepreneurs who hawk health club memberships, workout equipment, Botox, Viagra, and dozens of similar drugs as well as a seemingly unlimited parade of diets which all promise the illusion of perpetual youth in the guise of slenderness, we have come to ensure that relatively few people will ever be at peace with their bodies.

Medical studies of obesity often come to irrational conclusions that contract their own data. This is due to the fact that, as a practical matter, most obesity research must be funded either by the weight loss industry, or by government grants. Yet, grant money is scarce, and the process for securing it extremely competitive, thus leading to exaggerated claims by researchers in hopes of procuring the needed money.

According to University of Virginia professor Glenn Gaesser, “as of 2002 there has not been a single study that has truly evaluated the effects of weight alone on health, which means that ‘thinner is healthier’ is not a fact, but an unsubstantiated hypothesis for which there is a wealth of evidence that suggests the reverse.”
A recent report from the Seven Countries Study, which tracked thousands of men from seven different nations, found that thin men (those with a Body Mass Index or BMI of less than 18.5) had roughly twice the mortality rate of either normal weight or “overweight” men. Being “overweight” (BMI 25 to 29.9) had no impact on mortality.
Being just a few pounds over the government’s scientifically baseless definition of what constitutes an “ideal weight” can often cost a professional woman thousands of dollars per year in salary.

“Overweight” and “obesity” are not primarily medical issues, but rather issues ingrained in the culture and politics of our society. Today thinness has been associated with virtue; fat is linked with vice, and this ideology drives both the science and culture of national obsession with weight and weight control.

While women bear the brunt of the emotional, financial, and physiological toll exacted by society’s message to hate our bodies for not conforming to thinness, our cultural obsession regarding this subject is becoming so intense that men are increasingly beginning to show signs of the damage that is done to people when they are constantly told that something is fundamentally wrong with their bodies.

He does not argue that there is no relationship between weight and health. Rather, he argues that the health risks associated with higher than average weight have been greatly exaggerated, while all sorts of related but far graver risks to health have been ignored. In particular, Campos emphasizes that poverty, poor nutrition, and a culture that makes it easy for Americans to be sedentary are important public health issues in America. Campos contends that we should be encouraging Americans to be physically active, to eat well, and to provide reasonable access to medical care for those who lack it. What we should not be doing is telling Americans that they will improve their health by losing weight, given that, as Campos demonstrates, there really is no evidence for this belief.

“The war on fat is an outrage to values – of equality, of tolerance, of fairness, and indeed of fundamental decency toward those who are different. And in the end, nothing could be easier than to win this war: All we need to do is stop fighting it.”

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This ground breaking discovery comes a little too late for me. Despite the fact I am very physically active, and over-all quite healthy and fit, I have decided that after being bombarded daily by reports of how my "obesity" is socially unacceptable and is costing everyone in the country billions of dollars a year to support my fat ass, I will go through with having a very dangerous and controversial gastric bypass surgery to reduce my weight and bring me back down to a supposedly healthier level.

I do hope, however, to live to see the day when people can be accepted as they are, without trying to conform to some impossible ideal that may very well cause them more harm than good.

Mimi
 
I will go through with having a very dangerous and controversial gastric bypass surgery to reduce my weight and bring me back down to a supposedly healthier level.

Mimi,
You are going to have that gastric bypass surgery!!!
Good Lord is that a dangerous operation!!!
You can only eat milk shake like food for MONTHS and then you will have meals that will fit in the palm of your hand...

My wife is a "big boned" woman...and you know what worked for her...just lowering the volume of food she ate...didn't change anything else...and she lost 20 lbs.
She didn't stop eating pizza she just had one slice and a salad instead of two or three slices of pizza.

Anyway, just a point..you can do the "portioning" yourself without going through with this DANGEROUS operation!

Seriously,
Tommytikl
 
*HUGS* Honey please be careful

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE be careful sweetie.

As a BBW myself , I too have considered it.. hell my Dr has hinted @ it, even tho I have still lost weight, for my height I am WAY bigger than I should be Healthily ( and let's NOT get into the BMI).

I can understand your reason for having it( my weight among other things was a reason I was unable to conceive when I was married) and know you have thought long and hard about this, but just , just take CARE.

Have you had the tests for hypothyroidism, PCOS, ect?


Ghostie


PS I have been pretty successful losing weight on Modified low carb( tweaked Atkins) and am borderline diabetic..

Give me a PM if you'd like to talk hon, I am there, I understand( and am only 27)
 
Mimi, I have some advice I can offer that I feel is a much better option than the surgery. Although I am young compared to the other members here I have found a method that worked for me. I am a short guy and I used to way 180lbs and was out of shape. I eventually decided it was time to get in shape and I formulated my plan. Here are a few steps:

1.Try to eat 5 to 6 small meals a day. Having smaller portions will eventually reduce the size of your stomach and you will not feel the need to eat as much

2. After each meal has been digested, find the time to do at least ten minutes of cardio. Also set apart some time in the day to do some weightlifting. Use whatever weights you can and do 6-8 reps for each exercise that involves arms, chest, legs, and shoulders. For an ab workout, vary your routine and do at least 50 reps of each exercise.

3. Try to limit junkfoods. Limit having such food to maybe two or three times a week. If you can go without it for a longer time that is good but just make sure not to eliminate all the fat from your eating.

As long as you follow this and set your mind to it, this should work. I went from weighing 180lbs to weighing 130lbs. I then continued and gained 30 lbs in muscle. Also, you shouldn't measure your weight by the BMI. It is an unreliable source because it doesn't account for the fact that muscle weighs more than fat. If you want to know the specifics of my paln let me know. I could also show you the before and after pictures if you would like. I hope this helps.
 
All good suggestions

and have to add to make sure to have a FULL physical battery of tests if possible to make sure that thyroid fucntion and hormonal levels aren;t part of the cause

Also for a lot of us lasses being on the "Pill" can kick weight up into high gear as well as antidepressants, corticosteriods ect.

For me I have been a big girl all my life but in addition to lifestyle issues( emotional eating , and lack of exercise) various antidepressants and birth control pills I have been on really exacerbated things. This is JUST ME tho so YMMY.
 
i think Butters (from southpark) had the right idea: Self Liposuction. All we need is our handy, dandy hoover, and something to make the incision.

".....how many times have i told you Butters - do not try liposuction at home!!!........."
 
Eek!

Please be careful Mimi--several of the girls in the office have had the surgery, one with especially stunning results, but it is a VERY drastic operation.

Many insurance companies consider it "elective" surgery and won't pay for it (average cost here in Cali=$25,000.) Afterwards, because of the rapid weight loss, you're left with lots of excess skin, particularly in the stomach area which means...you guessed, another operation to remove all the skin, plastic surgery.
I know you'll get all your facts first, but I'd ask you to go slow with this one...ooo, and don't forget to make sure your doc is AMA recommended...

XOXO
 
Mimi,
What a tough decision for you to make. Whatever you finally decide, I hope it goes well for you. It is an incredibly complex operation and recovery process. I work in a hospital where the procedure has been done and I am currently on a committee investigating mortality and morbidity related to the procedure. Please PM me if you would like to talk about this at all. Ultimately, please investigate your provider and facility carefully before choosing one.
Positive thoughts to you,
karen
 
be careful with the surgery, but I seen pics and talked to you i beleive you are a very beautiful person, but the best of luck with the surgery, and i do agree i wish everyone could be excepted for who they are and not what they look like
 
Thank you everyone for your concern, support, and well wishes. Rest assured this was not an impromptu decision I made by the seat of my pants. I have a cousin and several close friends who have gone through with the procedure, and I am fully aware of the risks, side effects, dangers, and benefits of the surgery. The doctor I have chosen is very experienced and skilled in these procedures, and he comes highly recommended by all of his patients. I am still waiting on insurance approval, but as long as I pass the psychological evaluation, I should have no trouble getting them to pay for it. It is a procedure they pay for on a daily basis.

The final straw that finally made me decide to go through with the surgery is the fact that I was diagnosed with diabetes last month. Up until then I had been mainly considering it for cosmetic and social acceptance reasons. My health was never an issue in the thought process, because until last month, I was a very healthy individual. But I know that the younger you are when you're diagnosed with diabetes, the more years it shaves off your life. And for the first time in my life, I am truly and completely emotionally happy. I have found true love and added 3 more children to my maternal bed, and I want to be around to spend many many years with all of them. I know my best chance of battling diabetes head on is to lose the weight. I have been on MANY diets, under the care of a dietician, undergone excersize programs, and tried many avenues in the battle against weight. Fact of the matter is, conventional weight loss approach does not work for me. I'm big. That's just my body type and my destiny. I've been big since birth, my metabolism crawls at the pace of a dead snail, every female in my family is morbidly obese, and the more active I am, the more muscle I put on, and the larger I get (granted, I can support the entire weight of an 8 foot couch on my shoulder - as I did last Friday - but I'd like to be able to do so at a smaller size).

With all of that said, let me please state that I had in no way intended this thread to become a "poor Mimi" thread. I only mentioned the fact I plan on having that surgery as a means of showing what effect society can have on an overweight person...to the point of them considering and many times making the decision to go through such a drastic procedure to lose the weight and try better to fit in with what society says we SHOULD look like.

The main purpose I had intended by starting this thread was to generate discussion on the fact that society and the weight loss industry could have been deceiving us all these years. That it may NOT be your size, but rather your lifestyle itself that constitutes your state of health. Instead of throttling people every day on the news with guilt trips about being a few pounds to heavy, focus on the importance of staying active, making healthier food choices, and getting regular checkups at the doctors office. It is your DOCTOR who can decide if your weight is a health issue or not. NOT society. The weight loss industry is probably responsible for far more deaths that weight itself, with it's barrage of dangerous medications and weight loss supplements that often do nothing aside from damaging what health you do have. And as long as society and the news and media continues to make such a big damn deal about what you look like, and the fat epidemic taking over this country, there will be a huge market for these dangerous drugs and supplements and procedures.

Apparently, you'll earn more respect in our society if you die while attempting to lose weight, rather than just accepting your size and living a healthier lifestyle.

Mimi
 
I know you are VERY tall Mimi--typically they only do this op for patients more than 100 pounds overweight--you don't meet that, do you??
Oh and DON'T forget to tell you doctor and especially anesthesiologist about the diabetes...

XOXO
 
I'm afraid to say steph, that yes, I DO meet those requirements. I stand 5'10'', and weigh in at 320lbs. That's 150lbs over my ideal body weight of 170lbs. I am told that with this surgery I can expect to lose about 100-120lbs, putting me at a much healthier and more ideal weight. The excess skin and plastic surgery issue will be a bitch though, yes. Insurance does not pay for cosmetic surgery, and having just one body part skimmed of the skin alone costs in excess of $2000. Not something I can exactly afford. I'm not exactly sure how I am going to deal with that aspect yet.

And yes, I do plan on informing the surgeon and all the staff of my diabetes. They'll need to know that is one of the primary reasons I am considering this procedure, and my after-care and follow-up will have to be adjusted to compensate for my disease.

It scares the daylights out of me, but I gotta do something.

Mimi
 
Mimi, sounds to me like you're rather well-informed on this procedure and have made the decision that's right for you.
Best of luck.
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Mimi~

I wouldn't have guessed it by your pics. My friend lost almost 150 lbs BTW...
I am diabetic too and being heavier certainly puts you at a disadvantage when it comes to the disease--losing the weight, regardless of how you accomplish it will make a huge difference for the better--not to mention the stress off your back, knees, etc...
You've clearly done your homework. I know you know that being a diabetic puts you more at risk for complications during the procedure. Keep us posted and good luck!

XOXO

Mimi said:
I'm afraid to say steph, that yes, I DO meet those requirements. I stand 5'10'', and weigh in at 320lbs. That's 150lbs over my ideal body weight of 170lbs. I am told that with this surgery I can expect to lose about 100-120lbs, putting me at a much healthier and more ideal weight. The excess skin and plastic surgery issue will be a bitch though, yes. Insurance does not pay for cosmetic surgery, and having just one body part skimmed of the skin alone costs in excess of $2000. Not something I can exactly afford. I'm not exactly sure how I am going to deal with that aspect yet.

And yes, I do plan on informing the surgeon and all the staff of my diabetes. They'll need to know that is one of the primary reasons I am considering this procedure, and my after-care and follow-up will have to be adjusted to compensate for my disease.

It scares the daylights out of me, but I gotta do something.

Mimi
 
Mimi said:
I am told that with this surgery I can expect to lose about 100-120lbs, putting me at a much healthier and more ideal weight. The excess skin and plastic surgery issue will be a bitch though, yes. Insurance does not pay for cosmetic surgery, and having just one body part skimmed of the skin alone costs in excess of $2000. Not something I can exactly afford. I'm not exactly sure how I am going to deal with that aspect yet.


Cross your fingers and hope for exceptional epidermal elasticity. 🙂 About 2 years ago, I lost just over 100 pounds over the course of 4 months. I had thought for sure that once I got back into shape I would have to deal with some excess skin. Once I started losing the weight, however, I was rather surprised to discover that my skin actually shrank along with me. Now remember, I'm quite a bit taller than you are, but you never know... it might not turn out to be as much of an issue as you're anticipating. 🙂


Best of luck to you, LTK. :twohugs:
 
Mimi;

I am no means giving you a "poor Mimi" speech. I am a big beautiful woman just like you. I cannot support you on the gastric bypass surgery since a friend of the family died from it about three years ago. But, one of my sisters just had it done yesterday. I don't know what I'm going to do to lose the weight, but I just can't do gastric bypass.

I wish you a successful surgery, a complete recovery, and the results you are looking for. My prayers are with you.


By the way, did I mention that you're beautiful?🙂
 
Hi,

I also considered the gastic bypass surgery, but first gave LA Weight Loss a try. I lost 100 lbs. in about 10 months.

Granted, the program isn't cheap and they always try to sell you things you don't need, but it is effective.

And, yes, I know it's easier for a man to lose weight than it is for a woman, but I thought I'd pass along my personal experience so folks know there are successful alternatives out there.

Good luck.
 
K-Skate417 is talking about the "Body for Life" Program. You eat things like chicken and salmon and yogurt, eat 6 times a day, but small portions, and it speeds up your metabolism. I have a friend who went on it, lost over 100 pounds, and has kept them off for over two years. Another friend is starting it soon. I will use it to gain some weight, because I want to build muscles. I say go the natural route, it's cheaper and healthier.

Is the surgery reversable in any way if it has bad side effects later on, Mimi?
 
Oh geez Amnesiac_m(pc) pay attention. Meems has diabetes and this procedure could be a big factor in helping to alleviate that.

One thing I did learn tonight is that bariatric surgery can now be done with a laparoscope. I never knew that. Is that how your docs are planning to do it Meems ? Less infection risk, shorter hospital stay, smaller blood loss, smaller scars, less all the bad stuff.

You know what you're doing Meems, keep us posted.

Oh, also if you choose to go the laparoscopic route, you're allowed to have a Toshiba 2.8 GHz laptop with internet access in your hospital room for the four days you'll be there. Can't beat that with a 4-iron ... er um, stick.
 
Hey there, girlfriend! Miss you, and your wonderful self!

I did want to say that I agree with you. I have just recently been sucked into a vortex of buying tapes and exercise equipment to try and get rid of the extra 30 pounds I have gained in the past couple years. I'm normally just fine with myself, but I have lately been feeling, well, I don't know what it is. Maybe just unsatisfied with myself. It could just be the perception I am getting from the world around me. It could just be that I can't fit into any of my shorts anymore! Hmm... Now that I think on it, it all started escalading around my birthday last month when I was trying to find a great dress for my birthday dinner with "my man." Couldn't find a thing that fit right. Went to several different stores, and it was prom time so I figured I would find Something, not a thing. Why is it that you can't find a single great, kinda sexy-looking dress for us more luscious ladies for the life of us? It could be that society is against us because they believe that people with a "little extra" should not have nice things to wear to feel good about themselves. And this unhappiness with ourselves would tell us that that "little extra" is what is making us unhappy, courtesy of society, so we diet.

Anywho, back to what I was posting for in the first place. My mom had gastric bypass surgery over 2 years ago. She had a few health problems: diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and a couple others. She went through the surgery fine, even with her diabetes. Now, she has lost half of herself. Literally. Yes, she does have a lot of loose skin, but she feels Soooo much better now. She has the energy to chase my 4 nieces around and to go to as many art & craft shows as she wants! Her diabetes doctor and blood pressure doctor have told her, "So Long! We don't need to see you anymore."

You know that we all love you, Mimi. We want to see you happy. But we also want you to be careful. You have looked at all the pros and cons, and you have given your decision much thought. Hopefully your insurance will cover the cost of the surgery, which they should when your doctor and psych tests give enough credence to it. While there are some people that will not agree with the surgery, we will all stand by you. And you will be in our thoughts and prayers.

But remember that old adage that beauty comes from within? Well, they should also add that it can generate to the outside to make us beautiful people.

I'll be thinking of ya, Pockets!

Prinny
 
Prinny said:
She has the energy to chase my 4 nieces around and to go to as many art & craft shows as she wants! Her diabetes doctor and blood pressure doctor have told her, "So Long! We don't need to see you anymore."
Prinny

That sounds like a pretty big positive right there.
 
It all comes down to the comfort zone for all of us

What our bodies can stand in terms of weight before they rebel. Mimi has obviously reached hers,( I reached mine back last year when I was told the my BP was getting dangerously high , my already bad knees and ankles were getting worse and my blood sugar spiraling) , and for everone it it different.


Mimi will always be a BBW, but will be one who can enjoy the quality of her life more and at the end of the day that's what's important!

I say we start a Healthy BBW club on here, as a lot of us , esp the lasses, share the same issuse and concerns😀


Ghostie
 
Prinny said:
My mom had gastric bypass surgery over 2 years ago. She had a few health problems: diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and a couple others. She went through the surgery fine, even with her diabetes. Now, she has lost half of herself. Literally. Yes, she does have a lot of loose skin, but she feels Soooo much better now. She has the energy to chase my 4 nieces around and to go to as many art & craft shows as she wants! Her diabetes doctor and blood pressure doctor have told her, "So Long! We don't need to see you anymore."

That is my primary reason for wanting to do this. A very close friend of mine was diagnosed with diabetes a few years ago. A few months after the diagnosis, she decided to have the gastric bypass surgery. Within 3 months of having the surgery, her doctor told her to stop testing, get off the meds, and carry on with her life. Her blood sugar has been perfect since having the surgery, and for now at least, diabetes is no longer a concern for her. That is exactly what I hope to accomplish by getting this done.

TKpervert said:
One thing I did learn tonight is that bariatric surgery can now be done with a laparoscope. I never knew that. Is that how your docs are planning to do it Meems ? Less infection risk, shorter hospital stay, smaller blood loss, smaller scars, less all the bad stuff.

Yes, TK, that is exactly how I am hoping to have the surgery done. It's a lot safer, and has a much shorter recovery period than the open surgery. They will not know until I am on the operating table if they will be able to do it laproscopically or not, though. It depends on the health and size of your liver, and they do not know until they get in there with the scopes whether your liver will be an obstacle or not. If it is, then they must do it open. However, if your liver is of normal size and health, then they can continue the operation laproscopically. All I can do is pray that they will be able to perform the entire surgery lap, to save me a lot of excess pain, recovery, and possible complications.

TKpervert said:
MIMI how could you possibly consider such an asinine and potentially LETHAL procedure such as THIS! I may be tall and lanky and skinny and possess the metabolism of a gerbil, but I SAY THEE NAY! to this endeavor of yours.

For years you have been the voice of reason and tolerance for overweight individuals constantly oppressed by the absurdly perverse and out-of-control Standards and Ideals Division of American Culture, (aside from the one time I casually mentioned a "No Fat Chicks" shirt in the chat room before I met you and you tore me three new assholes and didn't speak to me for a week ) and now I find that you are giving in to the supposed FEARS of the somewhat overweight?!! FOR SHAME!!

I know Amny-doll, I know. You have been one of my loudest voices of reason throughout the last year or two, reminding me of my strengths, attributes, and most importantly, that beauty is on the inside, not out. And yes, the sacrifices I will have to make by having this done will be the hardest obstacles I have ever had to deal with. Giving up all of the things I love will be devestating for me...but if I keep them in my life, they may very well be the death of me. I have to weigh my options (no pun intended). Neither option is a pleasant one, but common sense tells me to choose life over death. The only thing holding me back at this point is the fact that many people DO die from having this operation. But I will be addressing those concerns with my surgeon. If I honestly feel that my over-all health and quality of life, or even my lifespan itself will be negatively effected by this operation, I will NOT go through with it.

I will still be a proud and loud voice in the face of anti-fat discrimination. No matter how much weight I lose, I will always stand behind the beauty and strength of larger gals, and offer my 'overbearing opinion' to anyone who has anything negative to say on the subject, regardless of whether they ask for it or not. The only reason I am even considering this myself is because of my health...not because of my self image. I'm big, I'm beautiful, and I'm proud of that. But I am now suffering from a weight related disease, and for the sake of my health, changes must be made. After all, you DO want me to stay around, right? Who else would laugh and snort themselves into tears over your ridiculous antics and voices and humor if I were to leave this world prematurely?

And rest assured, Amny, that I will only be losing fat with this surgery. My 150lbs of solid muscle will stay right where they are at, and I will be launching surprised lers across the room for as long as I am physically capable of playing. And that includes you with those damn clammy cadaver hands of yours!

Mimi 🙂
 
Mimi, have you considered an intense tickleaerobics program? im one of the most renowned instructors of that weight loss procedure. id be more than happy to give you free sessions. bwahahahaha!!!! }:>
 
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