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The Pleasure/Pain Principle

OmahaTickler

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I was editing part of a manuscript this morning for a philosophy book, and the idea of pleasure being the opposite of pain came up, which got my tickling-fetish Spidey senses tingling because this always has been a gray area for me, and I assume others in our community. I never have been into S&M, but I also realize that those who are tickled can derive pleasure from a sensation that, though not overtly painful, can be unbearable---yet in an erotic way. Every now and then, I come across clips in which some guy (always a guy for some reason), usually in a dungeon (suggesting a more S&M bent), has a woman restrained and alternates between whipping and tickling her, goading her during each cycle, i.e., “you want tickle?” during the whipping and “you want the whip?” during tickling. Though not my thing, I’m still fascinated by the psycho-sexual psychology at work here, i.e., how one could crave tickling---then turn to pain as an alternative. I also recall reading some article on our fetish that quoted some tickling models as saying they find tickling shoots more unbearable than S&M shoots. My question to the panel (for lers or lees): What is your mindset on this spectrum/divide?
 
I remember one particular session in which I was restrained. I'm not all that ticklish, but the young lady got me just right on the feet with her long nails. It was one of the few times I felt compelled to use my safe word. It was a painfully pleasurable experience.
 
If you deem being whipped as “the painful alternative”, it already sets it up as the unreasonable preference. Being tickled and being whipped can release endorphins and forge erotic connections between the participants. The issue you seem to have is a simple bias toward tickling.

Cool stuff.
 
As someone who is also into pain play to an extent, I've liked the idea of switching between tickling and inflicting pain. Though I don't see myself in a situation where the tickling becomes so intense that I would rather have pain over it.
 
If you deem being whipped as “the painful alternative”, it already sets it up as the unreasonable preference. Being tickled and being whipped can release endorphins and forge erotic connections between the participants. The issue you seem to have is a simple bias toward tickling.

Cool stuff.
Yes, this corresponds to my experience, too, especially the sentence that I put in boldface. 😀
 
There have been instances where I chose paddling/spanking over a hairbrush on my feet. That is a sensation so overwhelming in terms of sensory overload that sometimes even a vicious spanking is truly a welcome break.

I’ve also expressed my experiences with being involved in non-tickling focused play parties and when a pain junkie is even faced with the IDEA of tickling they safeword out (even with far more “brutal” things being done to them.)

I think a lot of it is based on personal experience, some good and some bad, and how far you’ve been pushed with various types of sensation in the past. It’s always interesting to me to see a girl who hasn’t been tickled much go into a clip very happy go lucky and confident that it will be “fun” or “easy” and to then see them realize just how far it can go. How BAD tickling can be. Same with a lot of forced orgasm/bdsm clips. Watching them realize that it.....Just. Won’t. Stop. and breaking down is one of the most magical pain/pleasure overlaps. Funny thing is, even after an hour of crying and begging, many of the models say it was an amazing rush and they would do it again!

Interesting discussion for sure
 
I saw on a cooking show someone explain why spicy food appeals to someone people...that the pain/discomfort response travels to the brain faster than anything else, but in an experience where there is pleasure involved with the pain (in this case, nice-tasting food), it hitches a ride with the pain and becomes more potent. I suspect impact play and sensation play (tickling in particular) can act in the same way.
 
Im into both pain and tickling. I like to think the pain makes me more susceptible to being tickled.
 
There have been instances where I chose paddling/spanking over a hairbrush on my feet. That is a sensation so overwhelming in terms of sensory overload that sometimes even a vicious spanking is truly a welcome break.

I’ve also expressed my experiences with being involved in non-tickling focused play parties and when a pain junkie is even faced with the IDEA of tickling they safeword out (even with far more “brutal” things being done to them.)

I think a lot of it is based on personal experience, some good and some bad, and how far you’ve been pushed with various types of sensation in the past. It’s always interesting to me to see a girl who hasn’t been tickled much go into a clip very happy go lucky and confident that it will be “fun” or “easy” and to then see them realize just how far it can go. How BAD tickling can be. Same with a lot of forced orgasm/bdsm clips. Watching them realize that it.....Just. Won’t. Stop. and breaking down is one of the most magical pain/pleasure overlaps. Funny thing is, even after an hour of crying and begging, many of the models say it was an amazing rush and they would do it again!

Interesting discussion for sure

Fascinating...….I think the "mind blowing" aspect also plays into it, i.e., tickling is not outright pleasure insofar as it makes one squirm and twitch and struggle defensively----but it's not pain, in that it doesn't HURT hurt---so the brain doesn't quite know how to categorize it, and this chaos might fuel the effect for those who are turned on by it------as allure often is tied to the unknown/exotic/mysterious/edgy.
 
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