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[Celtic_Emperor]

I believe the (something) you're looking for are "binary locators", buggs (unless of course I'm wrong and he said something else).

And good point. Already theres inconsistancies with the OT and the new one. The biggest one thats sort of my pet peeve is that all this time we've been under the impression that Obi-Wan was trained by Yoda. Qui-Gon Jinn (while my favorite of the Jedi so far), didn't exist yet in any tangible sense. He was merely an explainitory filler for a hole Lucas didn't cover up in the OT. Yes, Yoda does train the "younglings" as he calls them (this part is solidfied in the OT), but after a time they are assigned to a Master. This Master for Obi-Wan was Qui-Gon Jinn.

Now if that is true, as it is offical so it is, but if it were completely true from THE BEGINNING then Qui-Gon would have been mentioned, especially in an affectionate way. Obi-Wan grew up with Qui-Gon Jinn, he was like his father Qui-Gon was. So he would have been mentioned over Yoda and the story arc at that point (in ESB & rotj) would have been completely different and affected Luke's training since the character that would have trained him is already long dead. So if not Yoda, Qui-Gon, or Obi-Wan, than who?! Some f*cking swamp creature from Dagaboah?! LOL!

So the OT and the new trilogy offer up different Masters for the SAME Jedi. A BIG mistake that was not accounted for when the situation presented itself. Rather, Lucas took the Yoda story arc and used that to explain Obi-Wan.

So while it is offical that Qui-Gon Jinn trained Obi-Wan Kenobi, the character himself didn't exist prior to ESB. In fact, I heavily suspect he was tacked on (rather well I must admit, he made an impression on me) right before TPM.

Theres other things too, as I'm sure you and other others know.


EDIT:

You know, this is actually funny. Lucas ended up filling a whole he didn't know he was going to have to fill later, but in reality he didn't have to fill it to begin with. At the time it worked just fine with Yoda, but the contradiction the new trilogy presented (Yoda as having no apprentice and training specifically the younglings) was something Lucas had plenty of time to work out before he made the new trilogy. It was either that, or keep Yoda as Obi-Wan's trainer and proxy.

Hell, lets face it, he should have, could have, thought of all of this before he even finalized it and made Star Wars a movie. While I like the showing of future/present first and past second in this series, alot of things felt tacted on in the process and natural blunders by association would create themselves leaving Lucas with a contradictive series that there would be no way to fix after a certain point.

 

[BigJim]

Tales from the spotty goit...

Yoda was a "personal" master to at least one Jedi, as he trained Dooku in this way. I would guess that he had more than just one Padawan in nine centuries.


Isn't the "something" binary load-lifters?


At some point in ROTS Threepeio and Artoo have their memories wiped, so the skipchat says. Threepeio's "first job" would just be the one he remembered being given if it was a complete memory wipe.

It wouldn't be that unreasonable for Owen Lars not to remember the two droids. Threepeio looked totally different in AOTC, having much shabbier outer coverings than in the OT. It also has to be said that droids in the same class are pretty much identical to each other in all but their registration numbers. I agree it's a silly thing for Lucas to have done, tying in Threepeio's creation like that, but not necessarily a fatal one to the story's continuity.

I do hope Threepeio never find out that Darth Vader is his dad. 😀 Can you imagine the therapy sessions with Threepeio stretched out on the couch?

"D-D-D-Darth Vader... my father? Oh my!

Thank you Anthony Daniels. 😉

 

[BigJim]

Here's a prediction for ROTS...


Anakin Skywalker, dashing war hero, fully-fledged Jedi Knight (and according to one source, member of the Jedi Council - although I can't personally see that happening) and child of Immaculate Conception is fighting Dooku and is walloping his arse from one end to the other. Dooku is down, beaten and disabled with Anakin standing over him.

*Palpatine cackles*
"Excellent, your hate has made you powerful. Now, fulfill your destiny! Strike him down and take his place at my side!"

*Anakin turn to Dooku and hacks him into pieces with his lightsabre*



I think it'll be yet another parallel with the OT of the scene at the end of ROTJ. Unlike the more controlled and virtuous Luke though, Anakin succumbs to his baser emotions and follows through with his vengeance, thus losing the Light and turning to the Dark.

 

[buggs]

Celtic, you are right about the Qui Gon Yoda thing. The only thing I think is that Yoda trained him in lightsabres and other stuff. Also, since Yoda was still living at the time of ESB, and Qui Gon wasn't, he could't send Luke to train with him, therefore there was no need to mention him. WE all know what really went on is that Lucas needed a character who was a jedi, and it couldnt be Obi Wan, to find Anakin on Tatooine. If he had tried to film it with Yoda in that role, he would have had to do a CGI Yoda going through the desert. Since they were already doing an all cgi character (Jar Jar Stinks) they couldnt afford to do two. Lucas only had a budget of 50 mil for it, which isnt alot even in 1999 dollars. IN fact, they didn't have Yoda animation to the point where they could do the CGI Yoda. In fact, a CGI Yoda is in only one small shot in TPM, and it is a back shot. I think it was too much of a hassle, and too much money to do it, so he needed a live action actor to do the role. I also think, as much as Yoda is loved, it would be hard to watch him in all those scenes. Also, since Yoda was the head Jedi, he needed to remain at the Jedi Temple and not going aroudn the galaxy on some small issue. Plus, Qui Gon needed to die so that Obi Wan could train Anakin (a thing he only did because he promised Qui Gon he would do). Yoda will be traveling alot in the next one though. Lucas realized that he screwed up for the script to Sith and there are alot of things that happen that people wont understand. that is why he had let Cartoon Network do The Clone Wars. It is the actual story that takes place between AOTC and ROTS. So, it you put all of those episodes together, they are actually EP 3, and the next one is actually EP 4. So in this next movie Yoda is supposed to be doing missions himself, as they established he does in Clone Wars. I think the final installments of Clone Wars Come out in April of 2005, and I think they may be released on DVD before ROTS is released, and in the advertising will be you need to see this to undrstand what goes on in Sith. Yeah it is filler, but Lucas didn't skin his ass so hard on that one. But when it first came out I was saying the same thing "hey i thought Yoda was his master?" "Hey! How come Qui Gon didn't disapear when he died?" That one was a big Lucas screw up which even the press grilled him on. He had to come up with an excuse, and he was supposed to have the scene in AOTC, but now he has to have it in ROTS or he will hve really screwed the pooch.

 

[Dave2112]

A few points.

Owen Lars not remember 3PO is perfectly reasonable, since in the Star Wars Universe, droids are kinda like appliances to a lot of people. He wouldn't remember having 3PO any more than you'd remember a coffe-maker you had ten years ago if you were to come across it at a yard sale. Plus, protocol droids of 3PO's type were among the most common in a lot of parts of the galaxy. Of course, I am assuming that 3PO and perhpas Artoo have memory-wipes in ROTS.

There was six months between ESB and ROTJ. This was determined in the Steve Perry "in-between" novel Shadows of the Empire. And that's canon, because it was the one book before the NJO series that Lucas took a personal interest in because it affected his film timelines.

General Grievous is not a true droid, but a hybrid of as-yet-undetermined origin (although there is a novel out now featuring Jedi padawan Barris Offee regarding a plot to create thousands of these hybrids.) He seems to be part droid/part organic...but Star Wars Insider declared him a "Jedi Killer", so I'm sure he's going to take someone important out, which is why I assume it will be Mace.


And as far as the inconsistancies in Leia "remembering" her mother...it is quite possible that at the time the conversation in ROTJ took place, she was still reffering to whom she thought was her birth mother. Remember, Luke had yet to reveal their true heritage to her, and she would have had no way of thinking that it was Padme. It's highly possible that she was thinking of a wife of Bail Organa at the time she spoke those words. I feel that Padme will die in this film, and that will be a major contributing force (pardon the pun) in Anakin's turn to the Dark Side. He has to have a valid reason for blaming Obi-Wan for something so bad that he'd try to kill him. I don't think the "He's holding me back" argument is enough to cause that deep a rift between the two.

 

[buggs]

But, what Obi Wan says in Jedi when talking to Luke doesn't make sense either. Obi Wan says "I thought I could train your father as well as Yoda. I was wrong." So from what he says there, it sounds like Anakin was supposed to be trained by Yoda, but Obi Wan got cocky and trained him himself, or that Anakin never got approval to be a Jedi and Obi Wan trained him secretly anyway. Also, he said that Anakin was a good friend in A New hope, but in the prequels, they dont seem to have a friend relationship. It just doesn't make sense.

 

[BigJim]

But, what Obi Wan says in Jedi when talking to Luke doesn't make sense either. Obi Wan says "I thought I could train your father as well as Yoda. I was wrong." So from what he says there, it sounds like Anakin was supposed to be trained by Yoda, but Obi Wan got cocky and trained him himself, or that Anakin never got approval to be a Jedi and Obi Wan trained him secretly anyway.

I think Obi-Wan's comment is a generalisation of how Yoda trained Jedi over the years, including himself, not a reference to him hi-jacking Yoda's schedule. I think the old geezer was beating himself up unecessarily though. I don't think there was anything short of premature death that could have stopped Anakin becomming Darth Vader.

Also, he said that Anakin was a good friend in A New hope, but in the prequels, they dont seem to have a friend relationship. It just doesn't make sense.

Lucas was worried it might seem that way in AOTC, as Anakin and Obi-Wan have an argument in their first scene together in PAdme's apartment ("I think catching the murderer is implied in our mandate master"). That's the reason he then created the scene in the lift where they share a joke about Anakin rescuing Kenobi from the gundark nest.

There's also an oblique reference to Yoda having trained Obi-Wan at some point in TPM when he says to Neeson "But master Yoda told me to be mindful of the future." Lucas would have known that one of the first things people would notice would be that he has a different instructor to Yoda, so he makes the connection with that line.

 

[Collin]

But, what Obi Wan says in Jedi when talking to Luke doesn't make sense either. Obi Wan says "I thought I could train your father as well as Yoda. I was wrong." So from what he says there, it sounds like Anakin was supposed to be trained by Yoda, but Obi Wan got cocky and trained him himself, or that Anakin never got approval to be a Jedi and Obi Wan trained him secretly anyway./B]

"Agree with you the council does. Your apprentice, Skywalker will be".

Cocky, yes, because he stated he would train Anakin with or without the councils approval, but it was approved for Obi wan to train him. It was not a secret either.

Boba Fett couldn't even kill Luke, a young, inexperienced jedi, at close range. No way he could take Dooku out, even if he was in his prime.

The other points I was going to bring up have already been brought up...the 3PO thing and the Anakin/Obiwan friendship.

The trailer for episode III should be appearing next month!

By the way, is anyone else playing Star Wars Battlefront? I'm addicted! In fact, I'm surprised I'm even chatting here right now! My record so far is 76-4 (76 kills, 4 deaths). It was an offline (playing alone) game as a stormtrooper on the Endor map. I used the AT-ST part of the time to protect a command post. Yes, most of that wont make sense unless you play the game. I'm sure I'll hear from some who do.

My 50th post! OK I will not live long enough to catch Milagros at this rate (50 post a month...I would have to live to be 400 years old), but whos counting?