TICKLING M/M vs TICKLING M/F

[HOLLYWOOD]

I got a interesting, thought provoking question for all you tickle fans out there who tickles people or get tickled. The question is if a gnetlemen tickles a lady or has a lady slave he is considered a straight stud, so then if a gnetlemen takes on a male ticklee or tickle torture and bondage is he considered gay?

The reason i ask is my friend Billy is as straight as they come. He recently found out that his neighbor Sam likes to be tickled. Sam and Billy have discussed this and Sam wants to be tied and tickle tortured by Billy for hours on end! Billy is a little nervous about this. He has asked me for advice and I told him to take Sam on as a tickle slave. I do not feel this makes a male a sissy or gay because he tickles other males. However Billy is homophobic and is terrified that this labels him "gay" because he is roping a guy to his bed and tickling him.

I am not sure what to tell Billy. I do not think if he has a tickle encounter with Sam, that there is anything wrong with it. I would love to get other people's thoughts on this topic.

 

[nessonite1]

I have lots of thoughts on this topic!
I say you do what feels good. Screw the labels, screw everything. There's not reason to think you're doing something "gay" if there arent' erotic feelings attached to it.
Straight m/m tickling is great for those with enough confidence and security to do it. I've seen a LOT of it and downloaded a LOT of it and there's nothing even the slightest bit "gay" about it. I say to your friend to GO for it! Enjoy life!

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

thank you

Thank you so much for your reply. This is similar to what i told my friend, however he was still nervous so i wanted to get other thoughts on it. I think you are 100 percent right, in if it feels good than do it. once again thank you for your honesty in answering this thread. you are a true sweetheart.

 

[nessonite1]

*blush!* awww thank you! I am a firm believer in screwing the labels and jsut doing what you feel is right. I'm not "gay" but I've kissed a girl before. cause it felt right at the time.
And because I was dead drunk.
LOL!

 

[AcornaMordor]

Well my fiance and his guy friends get into tickle fights and there's nothing erotic about that. Does that mean my fiance is gay? I'm a girl, by the way, since that seems so impossible to discern -.-

 

[nessonite1]

Agreed Acorna. There's nothing cooler than a guy on guy tickle fight. 😀 Just plain fun if you ask me.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Agreed Acorna. There's nothing cooler than a guy on guy tickle fight. 😀 Just plain fun if you ask me.

I guess it seems that in society it is accepted and encouraged if a girl touches or has contact with a girl, but yet if a guy has any contact with a guy he is labeled a queer. This is really pathetic. i think it takes a very strong willed open mind to not go with the crowd and to be able to say it okay.

By reading that others how i look up to like Nessonite for example agree with me, it is making me tihnk about tickling a guy if the opportunity arrives. After all tickling is not about what gender, race, creed or any of that crap.

I think tickling is about a good fun expereince between two or more people. I am not saying ti can't be erotic but i tihnk it can also be no strings attached fun once in a while.

 

[frye45]

Well, I have a slightly different opinion here. If tickling is an erotic act for Billy, as it is with me, then I can understand his misgivings. I find it difficult to dissociate tickling from its erotic implications, and if Billy feels as though tickling Sam would be an erotic act, then I understand why a straight man would hesistate. Honestly, I think I would. That doesn't mean I think it's gay to tickle another man. If it's just playful fun, then so be it. But if it's not, then it would make me uncomfortable too. Just my two cents.

 

[nessonite1]

You look up to me? *blush!*
I agree that it takes someone very open comfortable with themselves to do that with another guy just for the sake of having fun. To be honest that's where a lot of the appeal lies for me! Just people forgetting what they're "supposed" to think and doing what they feel like doing. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. 😀

 

[Papabear1]

Ok first question: is Sam gay? I am not a homophobe persay but I have to say that this situation seems to be precarious. If Sam is gay and Billy ties him to the bed and tickles him for hours that could really screw Billy up later wondering what the hell the deal is. It also makes a difference as stated in a previous post whether tickling is erotic for either one of them. Sorry Hollywood but this could ruin their friendship.

 

[Karst]

Personally, I could never do male/male tickle torture. I've come to associate the actual movement of being tickled or tickling someone else as directly related to a female, so anything I do tickle-wise always goes back to a female thought.

Naturally, this turns me on. I know that it's against my morals of "do whatever, whenever", but I'd be turned on by doing the "motions" of tickling with a guy, simply because I'd be thinking about a girl while I was doing it. This would make me feel rather uncomfortable because, well, I know I'm not gay and I don't find guys attractive in the least bit. Even if I pretend tickling in thin air, if I'm "tickling" an inanimate object shaped like a woman, or if I'm tickling anything in the world, I always get turned on because I always think about tickling girls.

I mean, not to be terribly sick, but I could be tickling a cat for all weirdness's sake, and I'd be turned on just because I'd immediately think about what that tickling motion would do to a girl if I were doing it to her, how bad she'd be laughing, etc. It's not because I'm into cats. It comes from "shaking the cucumber" thinking about tickling, and having tickling thoughts flying through my head as erotic fantasy since I was in fifth grade.

In the end, though, I think I'm one of those people who thinks that any type of tickling is erotic, and as such I'm not going to do something erotic to something (or someone) I don't find erotic. More than likely, though, Sam or Billy or whoever's going to be doing the actual tickling in this event does not function the way I do. If he can do it without thinking it erotic, then it's all fine and dandy, which will probably be the case.

 

[nessonite1]

Oh now I'll never look at cats the same way again!

 

[jdtickler]

well actually if your friend see's tickling as a sexual matter an ties and tickles that guy then probably it will make him a lil bit gay thought, cuz he's involving himself in a sexual activity with another men, but if he likes tickling just for the fun of it, not like a sexual matter, then i cant see the problem, he can tickle the other guy without any worries of turning gay, anyways u just cant turn gay if u do something if u arent gay. If u ask me i would say that i dont like to tickle guys myself cuz my way to see tickling is more like a turn on for me, like a in a sexual sort of way, and well i like girls, but not everyone see's tickling the same way as i do, thats my opinion.

 

[CellarDweller]

Hi HollywoodBrother.

Sorry to bump this old thread back up, but being newer here, I was searching old threads I missed, and found it.

I can understand where guys are coming from, not wanting to be classified as "gay", but as a gay man, let me help you out here.

The only way you can be classified as gay is if you want to have sex with other gay men.

If the guys are open minded, and agree to keep the action only to tickling, then there should be no problem.

Here are two short stories for you.......

I know a guy from another website. He knows I'm gay. He is straight. He is in the NYC area, and we've debated meeting. Just as friends. He thinks I'm a character, and wants to meet.

I've seen his pic posted on the website, and his facial expression is serious. I mentioned to him that next time he takes a pic, he needs someone to tickle him.

We started talking tickling, and while I didn't tell him I have a fetish for this, he's seen me mention tickling before, so I'm sure he knows I like it. His response to me in a private message....."I look forward to meeting you, when schedules allow. Also, I've very ticklish. I hate it, but I'm expecting to be tickled once or twice. It's all good."

Another guy from the same website. Also straight. Alos admited to being ticklish. I told him "If we meet at a show, don't be surprised if you get my fingers in your ribs." His reply....."I tickle back."

Btw HollywooodBrother, what ever happened with your friend???

 

[MistressValerie1]

As a lifestyle mistress, I only like fem-dom tickling. Anything other than F/* fails to hold my interest, since I can only identify with a female top.

 

[Kalamos]

Let's face it, tickling comes in handy as a quick way to subdue people too.


Mmm... sounds fairly insane and vaguely off-topic too...
I should have my 'puter checked. It's been making me type weird posts, lately.

 

[wendyandpeter]

To bi or not to bi. That is the question.

Two excellent questions posed so far:
(1) Is Sam gay?
(2) Does Billy see bondage and tickling as sexual acts? Does Sam?

Not to split hairs with a gay man (respeck ;-) lol, but what makes you gay is wanting to have sex with another MAN (not necessarily another GAY man). Lots of gay men get all excited about the prospect of nailing a "straight boy," and they will tell that straight boy over and over that having sex with them doesn't make him gay. Of course, if the straight boy falls for that, he then becomes the kind of "straight" where gay men wink or roll their eyes when they say it.

If Sam is gay and thinks that Billy will be hot to go after a couple hours of bondage and tickling, then Sam's trying to pull something. Specifically, Billy's dick.

Billy should think this through VERY carefully. Even if nothing happened, there could be negative psychological consequences for Billy. More often than not, there are feelings and emotions tangled with this kind of thing -- it's especially dangerous when you aren't aware of those feelings and emotions until it's too late...

On the other hand, perhaps Billy isn't as straight as Billy appears -- at least in terms of his deeper desires. Or maybe he's bisexual. In this case, it's Sam who needs to be careful. Lots of gay men end up emotionally or even physically harmed from playing with that kind of fire. Billy could very well end up hot to go after a couple hours of bondage and tickling, but deeply regret it afterward. Sometimes very bad things happen in situations like that.

My advice to Billy would be to do whatever he wants to do -- follow his gut. But in any case, he should absolutely assume that tying another man to his bed and tickling him will be perceived as a sexual act by that other man, and base his decision on that.

$0.02,

Pete

 

[-Kunoke-]

Hmm...

Absolutely nothing wrong with M/M tickling AT ALL. If you want to tickle a guy and are not gay, more power to you man. Gay? No, not if it's just some tickling fun. Lighten up man... 😎

Course, it's not something I prefer, and I'll only tickle a guy if it's merely playful. Other than that, I absolutely refuse to tickle a guy, because I'm not gay.

That's my imput!

 

[AcornaMordor]

I vaguely remember when this post was started.. that was Well back in EARLY 2004 when I was still with Donovan.... Yeah, Hollywood, whatever happened between Billy and Sam??

cellard, I've had a few conversations like that before, lol... 'cept mine was a big general tease while he told me he hated being tickled.. and I quote, as I've done before, "My feet are so ticklish I'm surprised I can even walk." Now he Knew at that time that I was into tickling, maybe not to the degree that he thought (being lesser than what it truly is >.>) but he had JUST told me that he hated being tickled. Some time later, we had gotten into a pretty regular routine of play-tickling and I asked him whether he liked it or not. I got an "I don't know." followed by, "I don't like it or dislike it, I just react to it the way I'm supposed to react." Earlier these past couple of weeks, I made the stupid -STUPID- mistake of mentioning my new 'interest' and he started to realize exactly what this Was - a sort of lifestyle choice. A D/s relationship where I'm in control of the actions of another.. and he found it disgusting, actually... so.. I dunno... I got off topic... stupid ex's.. I HAD a point though I don't remember what it was at this point... But anyway, like I told my mom when she found out, Just because it's a Fetish, doesn't mean there has to be anything Sexual associated with it.. that's just a plus. (No I didn't tell her that last part >.<)

 

[CellarDweller]

Not to split hairs with a gay man (respeck ;-) lol, but what makes you gay is wanting to have sex with another MAN (not necessarily another GAY man). Lots of gay men get all excited about the prospect of nailing a "straight boy," and they will tell that straight boy over and over that having sex with them doesn't make him gay. Of course, if the straight boy falls for that, he then becomes the kind of "straight" where gay men wink or roll their eyes when they say it.

Hi Pete.

Don't worry, no disrespect taken. Yeah, gay men will think about straight guys, but let's be honest. It won't happen.

What's more likely to happen is the gay guy will get himself bashed. That is why I am very careful. I may joke around here with some guys, and other friends, but I never do any more than that. It's simply not wanted.

It's sorta like those stories of straight men who fantasize about being with two lesbians. If they are lesbians, they don't want a man there, so it's not gonna happen.

Any straight man who tickles a man (gay or straight) or allows himself to be tickled by a man (gay or straigh) is not gay.

 

[Tickler Bart]

The Way It Is For me . . .

I've tickled men on a few occasions. No bondage or anything, but stroking their soles mainly.
It is not WHO you're tickling, but the ACT of tickling itself is what gets me so turned on.
Did I want to have sex with these men? HELL NO!
Did I want to have sex with a female at the time? HELL YES!
This is how it is for me.
The problem with alot of us men is that we tend to associate what we are doing with WHO we are doing it to.
I can separate the ACT of tickling with WHOM I am tickling.
Is it gay to tickle someone of same gender? HELL NO.
But the 'general public' doesn't know any better & immediately ASSume.
You know what happens when you ASSume? You make an ASS of U & ME.
That line was courtesy of the late Tony Randall as Felix Ungar on 'The Odd Couple'.

 

[CellarDweller]

and there you go Bart!

 

[wendyandpeter]

Hi Pete.

Don't worry, no disrespect taken. Yeah, gay men will think about straight guys, but let's be honest. It won't happen.

What's more likely to happen is the gay guy will get himself bashed. That is why I am very careful. I may joke around here with some guys, and other friends, but I never do any more than that. It's simply not wanted.

It's sorta like those stories of straight men who fantasize about being with two lesbians. If they are lesbians, they don't want a man there, so it's not gonna happen.

Any straight man who tickles a man (gay or straight) or allows himself to be tickled by a man (gay or straigh) is not gay.

Hi Cellward,

I am being honest when I say that straight guys fall for this ALL the time, and it's never pretty afterward. Unless you mean that straight guys *by definition* do not have sex with gay guys -- your comment about lesbians makes me think this is what you meant, i.e., by definition, a lesbian canoot have sex with a man, because if she does, she's not a lesbian. Likewise, if a "straight" man has sex with a gay man, then by definition, he is at least bisexual. Maybe that's true, I don't know. But I will say this, if you are a gay man who has convinced a straight man to have sex with you, you are in a very bad position if that straight man decides he needs to "prove" he's not gay -- Know what I mean?

As for the last part of your post -- I don't think you mean to say that ANY man who lets another man tickle him is not gay, do you? Do you mean to say that if you let another man tickle you, it doesn't *mean* you're gay? I don't know if that's true or not, but I believe that as you get closer and closer to sex through the act of tickling, it certainly means something. I do think that bedroom + bondage + tickling with two adult males is definitely in the realm of meaning something sexual. That's why I'm saying those two guys had better understand exactly what each other thinks about the underlying meaning of that act, or someone's bound to get hurt afterward.

This just makes sense, right? I mean, I don't see how what I'm saying is much beyond basic common sense.

 

[CellarDweller]

I'm saying that if a straight man allows a gay man to tickle him, that does not make him gay.

Last weekend I was in Florida, visiting friends. All women, and they all knew I was gay. I started to play fight with one of the women over a pillow. She wanted it back from me, and started tickling me to get it back. I didn't stop her, because it was all in fun.

I am not straight, and never will be, and will not be converted because a woman tickled me for a few moments over a weekend.

On a website called ropejock.com, there were always personal ads from guys who defined themselves as straight. They wanted to tickle, or be tickled by other guys. The ads specifically stated there was to be NO SEX. I remember a few who were married, but they enjoyed being tickled by guys.

Did anything happen between these guys? I wasn't there, I don't know. But if they followed the wording of their ads, they wanted to meet for tickling only.

 

[wendyandpeter]

I agree. It's interesting to think about -- what "makes a person gay"... for example, most people would say that if you a man have sex with men, you're gay. But THAT can't be right, 'cause what if you're bisexual? OK, so what if you're having sex with other men *exclusively*? Doesn't THAT make you gay? Not necessarily. For example, consider two men: one's a hustler who HATES sex with men, but does it for the money. The other is a virgin who daydreams constantly about sex with men. Which one of *those* guys is gay? Both? Neither? Is being gay something you DO, or something you ARE? I believe that being gay is truly an abstract orientation. Actual sex is just the expression of that orientation. So advertising yourself as straight doesn't make you straight. Denying that you are gay doesn't make you straight. What makes you straight is your abstract sexual orientation toward sex with women exclusively.

Certainly you know that there are just as many, if not more "straight" guys out there having with men than gay guys having sex with men.

(This is actually a huge problem -- this operating on the "down-low" -- because so many of these "straight" guys ARE married and have kids. They stop off for anonymous gay sex in the park or at the adult bookstore whenever they can. Their wives don't know, their families don't know. And some of these guys are not using protection. Not at the park, not at home.) ANYwayyyyy...

Maybe I'm not articulating my concern here very well. In fact, I'm sure that I'm not. My point isn't about "who's gay.." It's about who's gonna get in over their heads psychologically and emotionally. Maybe no one. But maybe both of these guys are playing with fire.