Timewarp's rant series: 14 Anime

[Timewarp]

ohhh...I know what you are thinking, how dare you insult one of the greatest forms of animation in history. Well actually i'm not complaining at all about it. Nor am I knocking on people who draw it, no disrespect to you TT artist. In fact, this week, i'm going to let 2 other people do it for me. These guys just completely say what I want to say but I can't say. Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuBEz8gfE68
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqVw0mS7AcU&mode=related&search=

Yep it's hard to believe there are more people like me who are alive.

(Yeah I know this feels like a comp out. Then again i'm doing this cause...it's funny as hell).

Commits? Maybe you can ask them. Me....no...

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

I agree completely with him. He could have done a better job at explaining his disgust, but he got his point across. I could have done it way better....I may yet use my account and upload my own videos for reviews and such. I could probably do a really good job since I'd actually put real effort and time into it. I'd be able to actually talk instead of type so people would have the benefit of seeing and hearing my inflections.

I didn't bother listening past a minute's worth of the second guy...he was just too annoying and he was editting his video too much, which I know was for effect, but he overdid it.

While I do draw in the anime style, it is just a style, so you wouldn't be offending me, especially since my style is becoming less and less anime and more mixed. I never did consider myself a cookie-cutter anime artist.

Secondly, while I do watch some of the shows he complains about, it's to my benefit to watch them anyways, since that would give material to work with in reviews. I think it's important to experience bad anime, so that you can truely reflect on the good stuff. The good stuff being the shows that aren't syndicated, mainstream stuff that you either have to rent to watch, buy, or download illegally.

I agree with him about shoujo too. I quite enjoy those. Boys Over Flowers (Hani Yori Dango) is a perfect example of an old-school romantic drama anime done right. After you're finished watching it, it leaves you with a good feeling inside. While I still love Love Hina (a series he complained about), even I realize the differences in what makes good anime, and if I were to compare Love Hina to Boys Over Flowers, Love Hina would get failing marks in many categories. Although, in my example, it's important to point out that Love Hina is supposed to be a romantic comedy, not a romantic drama.

Finally...as for the AMV rants, I have mixed feelings about that. I've never made an AMV myself, before (I have had a few ideas though), but I know I could do a good job if I did by picking a good song that fits the character(s) or situation I'm trying to get across. I think the problem with AMVs isn't their quantity, it's their quality. It's how half-assed they are. Some kid just gets their favorite song from their favorite band or singer and just slaps it on an anime they like with little to no thought. I think AMVs are good if done right, but most of the time a good song is wasted on a crappy anime, or vice versa. While it may mean something to the creator, it may mean very little to the viewing audiance....and to two people, apparently, one of the most annoying things in the world.

 

[Timewarp]

Well if you had listen to the second guy, towards the end he talks about how disgustinling perverted hentai is...which I do sort of agree. Seriously, Japanesse people, just go to a stripclub. You'll being doing your happy place a huger favor than color and paper could ever do.
(Note: I do not advocate people to go to stripclubs. But then again I won't stop you either 🙂 ).

 

[a1532b]

And why exactly do you NOT advocate strip clubs, timewarp? Do you have something against them? I think you are just anti-stipclub...

I loved the second video, btw. Funny as hell! I used to watch anime...in high school. I watched some the other day and couldn't figure out what the heck I saw in it. This guy said exactly what I was thinking about lack of animation. Haha nice find. 😀

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

The japanese people are easily one of the most sexually self-repressed peoples on this earth. One could make an interesting tie-in to hentai in that so many people are fet up and pent up and the ones who have artistic ability waste it on the most disgusting debauchery imaginable. It's their overflowing lust, and it creates things in excess because it would otherwise be denied a release.

It's quite ironic though, and full of contradictions. While they (the japanese) are most well-known as industrialists and professionals (rivaled and surpassed only by the United States), they also want, at least superficially, to appear to be modest and disciplined and full of honor, yet their dirty laundry couldn't be more visible in the form of the debauchery that is hentai. While lots of cultures contradict themselves and their supposed moral fibers, the japanese almost have a.....how should I put it....child-like approach to sexual activity; they approach it very timidly. Its like they're sexually underdeveloped mentally and psychologically. They have these self-imposed barriers and taboos on some of their cultural viewpoints and this can often make them seem uppity and restless and generally unhappy when it comes to relationships and careers.

I usually refer to middle-class Japan as the " drone worker bee citizens", because thats how I kind of see them. Its like a huge ass honeycomb and they're all little worker bee drones just making it through life through with a single objective or order. One might say thats exactly what America is too, but we don't suffer from the same stigmas that Japan does and we indulge (both superficially and personally) in our sexual appetites while they don't externally/outwardly. Our children are disobedient, crude, and they do whatever they want. While I am not proud of that, nor do I support it, I would sooner call an american child more well-adjusted and rounded to the times we live in than a typical middle-class japanese child. You've got these perverted hentai artists because they've got no other form of sexual expression, or they're very limited in how they can do that, so they resort to this. "But Damien, thats just the hentai artists! You can't count all of Japan! Thats not fair!". Sure it is. Because most of Japan is probably hooked on it like ze drugs, and if thats not proof enough, then look at us. Our perverts and sexual deviants eat that stuff up, and we're not even the ones creating it. They, on the other hand, are getting it straight from the source.

I guess I ranted a little. Oh well.

 

[TheChameleon]

I agree partially... though, I kinda disagree Vlad...

Japan's all about boobs and violence, in cartoons, wrestling, everything. Sexuality is VERY unexpressed, true, with exception to entertainment.

Hell, have you seen a wrestling match with Danshoku Dieno in it?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ctur_akira-tozawa-vs-danshoku-dino

Watch that...

haha

I think its funny.

But, anyway,

thats not entirely common, its a wrestling character.

Japan really does have a way of picking something and sticking to it, however. Unlike Americans (i'm not an american chameleon, thats an anole, and they aren't related to the species, but i'm an american citizen) who are really "pick and choose" and usually drop out when it gets tough.

But, for now, I must be off, watch the wrestling match, laugh, and have fun.

Remember, "There's more than meets the eye... TRANSFORMERS!"

 

[Budweiserbob!]

I didn't watch the first video timewarp linked, but I watched the second one and I have to agree with that person, particularly about AMV's.

I also agree with him about ANime being extremely mainstreme, but that doesn't really bother me. I don't watch a lot of TV but I do enjoy a bit of Anime TV now and again. It just provides choice in my opinion.

But there are definitely too many AMV's all over Youtube, that's for sure. Like he said in the video, I can't find a song that doesn't have an AMV attached. It's just silly. >.<

 

[Lead Cenobite]

I've seen these clips before.

Personally I can't stand anime in any shape or form (and yes I have given it many, many chances so don't start), but I won't deny others the right to enjoy it. I just get extremely annoyed when people try to force it upon me or act like I'm some sort of bigot for disliking it.

Honestly what annoys me more than anime are those fans that take their appreciation of the art form to ridiculous levels. Things like inserting random Japanese words into English and hating on anything European or culturally different than what they're into. It does get irritating after awhile.

I apologize if I ruffled any feathers with my comments, not my intention.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

I've seen these clips before.

Personally I can't stand anime in any shape or form (and yes I have given it many, many chances so don't start), but I won't deny others the right to enjoy it. I just get extremely annoyed when people try to force it upon me or act like I'm some sort of bigot for disliking it.

Honestly what annoys me more than anime are those fans that take their appreciation of the art form to ridiculous levels. Things like inserting random Japanese words into English and hating on anything European or culturally different than what they're into. It does get irritating after awhile.

I apologize if I ruffled any feathers with my comments, not my intention.

Sounds like you encountered some wapanese. Wapanese sure do take it to a whole new level, even higher than elitist, purist, otaku-level. There's most definitely a HUGE difference between an anime fan (otaku) and a wapanese. An otaku is merely an anime appriciator/collector/enthusiast. In containable doses, these people, (of which I include myself in that I draw anime, collect anime, and watch anime, though am very selective and picky about it, as I don't just buy into any mainstream crap), are quite tolerable and often times enjoyable.

Its the wapanese that ruin it. Anime is like a cult religion to them, and they are self-absorbed into japanese culture (usually only because of anime, which is pretensious) to such an extent that they may consider themselves japanese or will attempt to "act asian" in ways I'm sure many of you are all too fimilar with. Theres always at least that one person we know that really stands out and defines the stereotype, and that person may very well be a friend.

Anime is to a wapanese what D&D is to a nerd with no social life- it's an escape from inadequacy, low-self esteem, and weak social strength. D&D nerds make up for it with a vivid imagination, but a wapanese really has nothing to show for it other than they can pose and project an image...which in it's own way is actually more sorry than a nerd, since a nerd may or may not care what people think. Wapanese go out of their way to impress you with their knowledge of all things asian, and will not hesitate to lecture you on how the East is superior to the West (in their mind). While it's entirely possible to be wapanese and have an active social life and not have people think you're a jerk, a loser, a traitor to your own culture and ethnic group, or just plain stupid, most are more likely to delve into excess, which is what makes it an irritant to begin with.

 

[Janus4385]

I'm not a fan of anime, and I have said that before... And most of what the guys from this videos said I agree with.

One thing I hate about anime is how it just repeats itself, seriously, if you watch Saint Seiya or DBZ you'll soon notice that it's all just a loop, the same crap happening over and over again. Also, a lot of these animes, no matter how successful they are, they look like they have the budget of a hamster(I really wish I had come up with a better analogy, but I didn't want to risk sounding offensive), they replay the same frames over and over again and throw in some background flashing lights.

However, as in everything, there's good stuff and bad stuff. I must say that no matter how I look at it, the humor in anime is 10 times better than any I've seen on a western cartoon, and maybe it's just me, but I have yet to see something as funny as School Rumble. There are the obvious choices for good anime, like Evangelion and Vampire Hunter D(the latter having one of the most impressive animations I've ever seen), and those not so known series to which I give props for being very original, like Monster.

As for AMVs, yes, most of them suck and there's way too many. People who make them should really sit down and think: does the world need another shitty AMV?

As I said before though, not everything is bad, there are actually people out there who know what they are doing and create fun to watch AMVs, e.g. the famous "Anime for Humanity" AMV by TOFF (seriously, I looked it up so I could put in who the author is and all).

I don't even know why I'm replying in this thread... but what the hell, I can just say whatever comes to mind too, right?


As a side note, I just noticed that the Check Spelling utility on this underlines to correct words like "anime" and "Seiya", but apparently agrees that the word "shitty" is properly spelled... interesting...

 

[Timewarp]

oy. I hate DBZ. If there is one series that drags on and on and on it's that one and inuyasha...not that I really watch them because I realised that they repeat. How many times must a series have a flashback to the piolit episode? I counted 56 times in Inuyasha alone cause apparently the audience suffers from a short memory span. How many episodes does a DBZ need in order to have a proper fight? A whole season that's how long. "I must stand like this to waste more time".

I'm not that big a fan of anime...or ever have been...but if I had a list of reasons, those would've been at the top.
(Holy crap, I made an additional commit? Tis the end of ends. Oh teh noes...whatever that means).

 

[Weedly]

Sounds like you encountered some wapanese. Wapanese sure do take it to a whole new level, even higher than elitist, purist, otaku-level. There's most definitely a HUGE difference between an anime fan (otaku) and a wapanese. An otaku is merely an anime appriciator/collector/enthusiast. In containable doses, these people, (of which I include myself in that I draw anime, collect anime, and watch anime, though am very selective and picky about it, as I don't just buy into any mainstream crap), are quite tolerable and often times enjoyable.

Its the wapanese that ruin it. Anime is like a cult religion to them, and they are self-absorbed into japanese culture (usually only because of anime, which is pretensious) to such an extent that they may consider themselves japanese or will attempt to "act asian" in ways I'm sure many of you are all too fimilar with. Theres always at least that one person we know that really stands out and defines the stereotype, and that person may very well be a friend.

Anime is to a wapanese what D&D is to a nerd with no social life- it's an escape from inadequacy, low-self esteem, and weak social strength. D&D nerds make up for it with a vivid imagination, but a wapanese really has nothing to show for it other than they can pose and project an image...which in it's own way is actually more sorry than a nerd, since a nerd may or may not care what people think. Wapanese go out of their way to impress you with their knowledge of all things asian, and will not hesitate to lecture you on how the East is superior to the West (in their mind). While it's entirely possible to be wapanese and have an active social life and not have people think you're a jerk, a loser, a traitor to your own culture and ethnic group, or just plain stupid, most are more likely to delve into excess, which is what makes it an irritant to begin with.

LOL, never thought I'd see someone else use the term Wapanese. But yeah, there are some out there that make the rest of us (otaku) look bad by over-exerting themselves as terrible misconstrued versions of "true fans" (whatever that means). Most of them dont even know a lick of Japanese. Some Wapanese I have met even make me feel better about myself (thats saying a lot) considering the nerdiness that I could never match.

And just a side note, I am DAMN PROUD of my cultural heritage and still obey the old chivalric ways more than anyone else here I wager. Who else here has been trained in the art of swordsmanship? THE REAL KIND, NOT THE "IM SO LEET CAUSE I COLLECT ALL THESE OVERPRICED COLLECTOR PIECES OF SHIT SHARP OBJECTS AND DONT KNOW HOW TO USE THEM" Yeah, those people piss me off the most. Just needed to get that off my chest I guess.

Stay cool Vlad.

 

[Weedly]

oy. I hate DBZ. If there is one series that drags on and on and on it's that one and inuyasha...not that I really watch them because I realised that they repeat. How many times must a series have a flashback to the piolit episode? I counted 56 times in Inuyasha alone cause apparently the audience suffers from a short memory span. How many episodes does a DBZ need in order to have a proper fight? A whole season that's how long. "I must stand like this to waste more time".

LOLOLOLOL. Yeah, DBZ AND Naruto are both over-rated in my opinion. (though I did watch it when I was in jr high) that seems soooo long ago. there is a point where the "filler", as I know it, becomes too extraneous. Even we otaku poke fun at this!!! Believe it or not, nowadays most dbz uber fans are very young and will grow out of it or really old fashioned and need to be enlightend to the better shit. But please timewarp, please PLEASE do not use these two series as a base to pass judgement on the genre and subcaulture of Otakudom altogether. ( I hope your not, your too smart for that ) I am not trying to sway you, just wanted to illustrate that those of us who do like anime do have similar opinions on subjects like DBZ

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Who else here has been trained in the art of swordsmanship? THE REAL KIND, NOT THE "IM SO LEET CAUSE I COLLECT ALL THESE OVERPRICED COLLECTOR PIECES OF SHIT SHARP OBJECTS AND DONT KNOW HOW TO USE THEM" Yeah, those people piss me off the most. Just needed to get that off my chest I guess.

Stay cool Vlad.

Actually, that would be wapanese too if the reason you collect swords or reason with the philosophy behind them is because of asian influence (ie- you're trying to mimick or emulate ninjas, shoguns, samurai, etc). If you're all into this "samurai honor, way of the sword blah blah blah" but you're a white guy living in modern-day western society, and you're not living in some fantasy, make-believe traveling war-reinactment troupe and you're going on about how honorable you WOULD be IF we WERE back in THOSE times and THOSE days would apply NOW and how you'd be a kick-ass swordsman, than thats just as much wapanese as anything else would be.

Ironically, if you were doing the exact same thing, but you were emulating european swordsmanship and all that stuff, then you wouldn't be wapanese at all, since you're emulating something from your own culture, history, or family pedigree.....it would still probably be nerdy though. Having a sword does not make someone cool, so even if someone wouldn't call you wapanese for that, they could still probably get you on being a sword nut and trying to live out some fantasy or persona through sword ownership.

The problem with swords is they're historic pieces and have no practical place or use in modern-day society. So when someone touts about their swords, it would be the equivelent of a Star Wars nerd bragging about his lightsabers- theres no such thing as a real lightsaber and if there was, they'd be out-lawed or impractical, so the kid/teen/adult is just pretending, which is what being wapanese is.

What makes wapanese so offensive to so many is that of all the things you could choose to pretend to be and get away with, you're pretending to be of another race, ethnicity, and culture (which is offensive to both your own kind and the ones you're impersonating), and thats something which is very overt, blatent, and obviously intentional and obvious.....like how wiggers are.

 

[Dr. Bill Kobb]

This will seem so small and inconsequential to the big topics covered in this thread, but I hate the way crying is depicted in anime. It's probably just a cultural thing. I'm used to seeing my tears depicted in the traditional western-style of teardrops, not these odd white blobs on the outside of the eyes, like with so many of the anime artworks I've seen.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

This will seem so small and inconsequential to the big topics covered in this thread, but I hate the way crying is depicted in anime. It's probably just a cultural thing. I'm used to seeing my tears depicted in the traditional western-style of teardrops, not these odd white blobs on the outside of the eyes, like with so many of the anime artworks I've seen.

In most cases crying is exagerated intentionally in anime for some sort of comedic effect, otherwise it can be done normally and quite well (especially in romance or drama themed shows). There is other symbolism that represents different emotions or feelings. If you've seen characters with a tear drop looking thing near their head that stays for a while but then goes away, thats used to represent confusion, disbelief, fatique, etc. Also, anime characters have a big habit of falling down alot(as as individuals or a group) when someone says a pun or a joke thats just lame or they make a fool of themself or something or just made a discovery which couldn't have been more obvious to everyone else. They do this in anime to, again, represent disbelief, frustration, and so forth. Almost immediately after the moment is over, the effect goes away (whether it be the tear drop or throbbing vain, etc.)

 

[Timewarp]

(Vlad: He's full of knowledge and ready to kill any buzz).

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

("Excellent!"- Mr. Burns )

 

[Dr. Bill Kobb]

I hope you steepled your fingers, too, Vladislaus D.(in true Burns fashion)! 😉

:bluestar: That earns you a(see attachment below):

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Of course I did. It's not an authentic Monty Burns without the steepling and twiddling of the fingers....I just neglected to type that out.

Yay, my own business manager has approves!

Another thing common in anime is being chibified in a cute moment, or the face will be drawn in exagerated simplicity where the face will just be dots for eyes, and a line for a mouth. Theres usually a single hair that sticks up like a cowlick. This is, again, another way of showing bewilderment.

I don't know why they came up with these things when they could have just used conventional means, but they somehow carry the emotion across rather well this way.

 

[P[a]pi]

I haven't liked much of the new anime that has come out recently, but there are some series and movies that I really like and own. DBZ is my favorite anime haha. The newest series I have liked enough to buy is X. I also own Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star, Rurouni Kenshin and Evangelion. And I'm thinking about collection some Yu Yu Hakashu.

I think one problem with anime is the expectations of fans/consumers. Anime is a genre of series/movies.

Out of the whole genre of live action action movies how many do you like?

Or out of the whole genre of live action sci fi movies how many do you like?

My answers to those questions are "very few". And that is if you just act like anime is a genre by itself. But really, inside of anime there is action, sci fi, etc.

So what I'm trying to say is I think anime's good/bad ratio or like/dislike ratio is the same as live action content.

There are only two comedy movies that I like enough to own. I like super hero movies, but only Batman, Superman and Spider-Man.

And I like martial arts movies, but I'm picky about those too.

So, for me the majority of all anime sucks. But, for me the majority of all of anything sucks haha.

 

[Dr. Bill Kobb]

Someone sent me a tape with a couple of episodes of this on it. I watched about 1/2 way through one last night. Simultaneously the most wonderful/terrible thing I've ever seen. :wooha:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akSLbpmg2aY

 

[MistressValerie1]

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