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Toto's Official True Crime Thread.

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Good afternoon super sleuths. Sensitive people should step out of this thread because we will be discussing a truly shocking and heinous crime.

Josef Fritzl was a well respected 48 year old Austrian man and a valued member of his community. No one suspected his secret. In a converted bomb shelter he held his daughter as a sex slave for 24 years.

Josef Fritzl was an unhappy child. Raised by a single mother who only had him to prove that she wasn't barren, Fritzl's only parental affection came in the form of punches, kicks, and insults. Young Fritzl was further traumatized during the air raids during WWII where he had to spend long periods alone in bomb shelters.
He admits that these experiences spurned him on to turn his old bomb shelter into a comfortable sexual playground, where he could feel free to commit such horrible crimes against his daughter. Another interesting detail of this man's secret double life, long before he kidnapped his daughter Elisabeth, he in fact had held his own elderly mother in a tiny room for at least ten years. He also admitted to bricking up the window so that she never saw the light of day again.

In my next post, we will hear about Elisabeth's childhood and the events leading up to her enslavement.
 
Oooh, oooh,......I remember reading about this one!

So how do you want this thread run? Do you want a historical approach? Do you want us to bring some heinous true crimes into the thread to discuss?

This looks interesting...........:sherlock:
 
Oooh, oooh,......I remember reading about this one!

So how do you want this thread run? Do you want a historical approach? Do you want us to bring some heinous true crimes into the thread to discuss?

This looks interesting...........:sherlock:

I think that we should discuss this crime for a while, and then other people can post their own. How does that sound?
 
Good afternoon super sleuths. Sensitive people should step out of this thread because we will be discussing a truly shocking and heinous crime.

Josef Fritzl was a well respected 48 year old Austrian man and a valued member of his community. No one suspected his secret. In a converted bomb shelter he held his daughter as a sex slave for 24 years.

Josef Fritzl was an unhappy child. Raised by a single mother who only had him to prove that she wasn't barren, Fritzl's only parental affection came in the form of punches, kicks, and insults. Young Fritzl was further traumatized during the air raids during WWII where he had to spend long periods alone in bomb shelters.
He admits that these experiences spurned him on to turn his old bomb shelter into a comfortable sexual playground, where he could feel free to commit such horrible crimes against his daughter. Another interesting detail of this man's secret double life, long before he kidnapped his daughter Elisabeth, he in fact had held his own elderly mother in a tiny room for at least ten years. He also admitted to bricking up the window so that she never saw the light of day again.

In my next post, we will hear about Elisabeth's childhood and the events leading up to her enslavement.


Like her father, Elisabeth Fritzl had a bleak childhood. Josef Fritzl was an exceptionally domineering and controlling man. Everyone in the home, mother and children lived their lives by Fritzl's rules and schedules. Fritzl was seen by friends and acquaintances as the perfect family man and cruelly squashed anything that would change public opinion. But things were even worse for young Elisabeth. Always a obedient and accommodating child, these qualities made it even easier for Fritzl to abuse her. He started in 1977 when Elisabeth was eleven by leaving hard core porn magazines under her pillow. He considered this to be a "practical joke", and liked the idea of his young daughter finding these hidden things alone in the dark. This quickly escalated to sexual abuse. Raised to accept her father's abuse, Elisabeth considered this new development, to be just another horrible thing her father was capable of.

As Elisabeth reaches her mid teens, she begins to rebel. She talks back, and hides her letters. Fritzl cannot stand this affront to his authority and the two frequently fight. In 1981-1982 Josef begins the construction of the cellar prison. He has always claimed that he had no idea why he was constructing that hidden chamber, but when Elisabeth runs away for the first time at the age of 16 in 1983, his mind has been made up.


My next post will be about the early days of Elisabeth's disappearance and captivity.
 
Like her father, Elisabeth Fritzl had a bleak childhood. Josef Fritzl was an exceptionally domineering and controlling man. Everyone in the home, mother and children lived their lives by Fritzl's rules and schedules. Fritzl was seen by friends and acquaintances as the perfect family man and cruelly squashed anything that would change public opinion. But things were even worse for young Elisabeth. Always a obedient and accommodating child, these qualities made it even easier for Fritzl to abuse her. He started in 1977 when Elisabeth was eleven by leaving hard core porn magazines under her pillow. He considered this to be a "practical joke", and liked the idea of his young daughter finding these hidden things alone in the dark. This quickly escalated to sexual abuse. Raised to accept her father's abuse, Elisabeth considered this new development, to be just another horrible thing her father was capable of.

As Elisabeth reaches her mid teens, she begins to rebel. She talks back, and hides her letters. Fritzl cannot stand this affront to his authority and the two frequently fight. In 1981-1982 Josef begins the construction of the cellar prison. He has always claimed that he had no idea why he was constructing that hidden chamber, but when Elisabeth runs away for the first time at the age of 16 in 1983, his mind has been made up.


My next post will be about the early days of Elisabeth's disappearance and captivity.



As Elisabeth rapidly approached the age of adulthood, Josef readied his plans. Elisabeth had finished her job training as a waitress and had been offered a job in a different city. Knowing that he would soon lose all power over his daughter Josef makes his first move. August 29, 1984. Josef asks his daughter for help with moving a door into his converted cellar. When she complies, he waits until she has entered the cellar and leaps upon her, holding a ether soaked rag over her face. She is no match for her father's strength and quickly loses consciousness. When Elisabeth wakes up, the room is pitch black. She has a horrible headache and doesn't know at first that she is even in a cellar. Elisabeth has been chained to a wall and only has a few feet of slack. After a few hours her father enters the chamber. He begins to throw punch after punch at his terrified and disoriented daughter. All the while screaming that she had brought this treatment onto herself. Josef finishes by raping his battered child and leaving her in the dark. A pattern quickly develops where Elisabeth's father visits the cellar every three days to brings supplies and rape his daughter.

Josef promises her eventual release, upon the condition that her attitude improves, but as the months go by, Elisabeth realizes that her father wants to keep her for himself. Hopelessness sets in.


My next thread will be about life in the cellar. Please feel free to ask questions or comment.
 
As Elisabeth rapidly approached the age of adulthood, Josef readied his plans. Elisabeth had finished her job training as a waitress and had been offered a job in a different city. Knowing that he would soon lose all power over his daughter Josef makes his first move. August 29, 1984. Josef asks his daughter for help with moving a door into his converted cellar. When she complies, he waits until she has entered the cellar and leaps upon her, holding a ether soaked rag over her face. She is no match for her father's strength and quickly loses consciousness. When Elisabeth wakes up, the room is pitch black. She has a horrible headache and doesn't know at first that she is even in a cellar. Elisabeth has been chained to a wall and only has a few feet of slack. After a few hours her father enters the chamber. He begins to throw punch after punch at his terrified and disoriented daughter. All the while screaming that she had brought this treatment onto herself. Josef finishes by raping his battered child and leaving her in the dark. A pattern quickly develops where Elisabeth's father visits the cellar every three days to brings supplies and rape his daughter.

Josef promises her eventual release, upon the condition that her attitude improves, but as the months go by, Elisabeth realizes that her father wants to keep her for himself. Hopelessness sets in.


My next thread will be about life in the cellar. Please feel free to ask questions or comment.


Here begins Elisabeth's 24 year long nightmare. Elisabeth moves through her new life in a daze. At first, she has no television or light source, her only break in the monotony comes from her father's visits and subsequent rapes. Eventually when Elisabeth has been so beaten down that she no longer fights her father, he removes her chains and allows her to have lights and a television.

Life is hectic outside of the cellar. Both Fritzl parents appeared to be very worried about their missing daughter and work in close contact with the local authorities to find her. A mysterious letter shows up in the mail from Elisabeth from a with a local postmark. It announces that she's run away, but may be back someday. Josef suggests to the police that they use some of Elisabeth's old school papers to see if the hand writing matchers this strange letter. Of course the match is perfect. Unbeknownst to all Josef had staged week long black outs in the cellar, until Elisabeth finally relented and penned the runaway note. Josef suggests to the police that Elisabeth has joined a religious ult. Wife and authorities accept this story without doing any investigative work. It's like she has disappeared into thin air.

Two years into her confinement, Elisabeth becomes pregnant with her father's child at the age of nineteen. She miscarries a few months in. Two more years come and go, and in 1989 she successfully carries her first child, (Kerstin). Ignorant and untrained, she is forced to give birth alone in her prison. After giving birth again in 1990 (Stefan) Protecting her children becomes Elisabeth's primary goal during this time. In order to stave off Josef's brutal temper, Elisabeth obeys her father completely in all things.

In 1992 Elisabeth gives birth again but this child (Lisa) is not happy or healthy. Lisa shakes constantly, and will not eat or stop crying. Josef is worried that the neighbors will hear the crying child and comes up with a brazen plan.

In the next thread, we will be discussing the escape of the first child. Please feel free to join in anytime. Thank you.
 
In may 1993, a nine month old child is found on the doorstep along with a note. The letter was from Elisabeth saying that the sect she lived in did not allow children and that she needed to give Lisa away. It also stated that nobody should look for her and that she was happy. Josef Fritzl eagerly reported this to the police and they agreed that Elisabeth was a lost cause. The Fritzl's were a respectable couple and quickly gained custody of Lisa. They also gained more respect from their peers and neighbors for taking in their wild daughter's love child. Little Lisa was found to have a deadly heart condition and was rushed to have emergency surgery. Her secretion from the cellar had saved her life. In the cellar, Elisabeth misses her child so much, that Fritzl occasionally brings her down to visit. This ends when she becomes old enough to speak.

!n 1994 another child (Monika) is born. She is also a very fretful and sickly baby. 1994 marked another change for the cellar claim. Josef Fritzl enlarged their living area from 380 sq ft to 600 sq ft. Hoping for a full modernization of the cellar, Fritzl buys all new electrical appliances, installs a real shower, and decorates the space to give it a "homey" feel. For Kerstin and Elizabeth, this is an unheard of improvement in their living conditions. Stefan is scared of such a big space and refuses to enter the new rooms for weeks. By the end of the year when baby Monika's condition has not improved, Fritzl decides that she must resurface as well.

In my next post. Monika is freed and the births go on.
 
I like the idea of this, but i think you should move from heinous crimes, to perhaps heinous/famous unsolved crimes ie the Dahlia,the zodiac killer, the red lipstick murders. That way some discussion can take place/opinions given, if the case is this cut and dry there isn't much to say outside oh what you think about what happened. Just my two cents
 
I like the idea of this, but i think you should move from heinous crimes, to perhaps heinous/famous unsolved crimes ie the Dahlia,the zodiac killer, the red lipstick murders. That way some discussion can take place/opinions given, if the case is this cut and dry there isn't much to say outside oh what you think about what happened. Just my two cents


I would be fine with doing that next, but no one seems to be that interested.
 
In may 1993, a nine month old child is found on the doorstep along with a note. The letter was from Elisabeth saying that the sect she lived in did not allow children and that she needed to give Lisa away. It also stated that nobody should look for her and that she was happy. Josef Fritzl eagerly reported this to the police and they agreed that Elisabeth was a lost cause. The Fritzl's were a respectable couple and quickly gained custody of Lisa. They also gained more respect from their peers and neighbors for taking in their wild daughter's love child. Little Lisa was found to have a deadly heart condition and was rushed to have emergency surgery. Her secretion from the cellar had saved her life. In the cellar, Elisabeth misses her child so much, that Fritzl occasionally brings her down to visit. This ends when she becomes old enough to speak.

In 1994 another child (Monika) is born. She is also a very fretful and sickly baby. 1994 marked another change for the cellar claim. Josef Fritzl enlarged their living area from 380 sq ft to 600 sq ft. Hoping for a full modernization of the cellar, Fritzl buys all new electrical appliances, installs a real shower, and decorates the space to give it a "homey" feel. For Kerstin and Elizabeth, this is an unheard of improvement in their living conditions. Stefan is scared of such a big space and refuses to enter the new rooms for weeks. By the end of the year when baby Monika's condition has not improved, Fritzl decides that she must resurface as well.

In my next post. Monika is freed and the births go on.


December 1994. Very early in the morning, on a cold winter's day baby Monika is found in a stroller outside of the Fritzl's residence. It was remarked by many that it the family was very fortunate that Monika hadn't succumb to the elements before she was found. Monika was examined at the hospital and her source of distress was found. There was a very small hair wrapped around her little toe. It had ingrown and was causing the child much pain. It would have been impossible for Elisabeth to have sen this in the dim light of the cellar. Shortly after the child was found, Rosemarie (Josef's wife, Elisabeth's mother) received a very strange phone all. It was Elisabeth, asking her parents to take care of Monika. Rosemarie was mystified because the voice sounded recorded and had come through on their new and unlisted number. Still no one suspected a thing.

For a while, Josef brought little Monika down to see her mother and siblings, but Elisabeth asked that he stop. It was unbearable for the cellar children hear about another world that would never exist for them.

1996. Two more years pass and Elisabeth is pregnant again. She is especially anxious, because she has correctly guessed that she is pregnant with twins. Giving birth to twins in a hospital is high risk but poor Elisabeth had to do it alone in a dank cellar with no pain medication. After the grueling birth, Elisabeth noticed that one of the boys was not latching on to her breast. His condition progressively got worse. Elisabeth begged her father to take the baby to a hospital, but he Fritzl refused. He told Elisabeth "What will be, will be." and left her alone with her sick son. Three days later, little Michael died and Josef burnt his body in the incinerator. The surviving twin was taken aboveground and raised with the rest of the upstairs children.

Six years go by and another child is born (Felix). Fritzl keeps hi in the cellar because he doubts his wife's ability to raise another child. Four people now live in that small damp space. They are constantly ill and Kerstin has a seizure disorder. As the children grow, Josef begins to fear them. He thinks that they may gang up on him and make the cellar his coffin. He begins to ponder the problem of reuniting the two families.


In my next post, I will speak about the release from the cellar, and various points of interest.
 
December 1994. Very early in the morning, on a cold winter's day baby Monika is found in a stroller outside of the Fritzl's residence. It was remarked by many that it the family was very fortunate that Monika hadn't succumb to the elements before she was found. Monika was examined at the hospital and her source of distress was found. There was a very small hair wrapped around her little toe. It had ingrown and was causing the child much pain. It would have been impossible for Elisabeth to have sen this in the dim light of the cellar. Shortly after the child was found, Rosemarie (Josef's wife, Elisabeth's mother) received a very strange phone all. It was Elisabeth, asking her parents to take care of Monika. Rosemarie was mystified because the voice sounded recorded and had come through on their new and unlisted number. Still no one suspected a thing.

For a while, Josef brought little Monika down to see her mother and siblings, but Elisabeth asked that he stop. It was unbearable for the cellar children hear about another world that would never exist for them.

1996. Two more years pass and Elisabeth is pregnant again. She is especially anxious, because she has correctly guessed that she is pregnant with twins. Giving birth to twins in a hospital is high risk but poor Elisabeth had to do it alone in a dank cellar with no pain medication. After the grueling birth, Elisabeth noticed that one of the boys was not latching on to her breast. His condition progressively got worse. Elisabeth begged her father to take the baby to a hospital, but he Fritzl refused. He told Elisabeth "What will be, will be." and left her alone with her sick son. Three days later, little Michael died and Josef burnt his body in the incinerator. The surviving twin was taken aboveground and raised with the rest of the upstairs children.

Six years go by and another child is born (Felix). Fritzl keeps him in the cellar because he doubts his wife's ability to raise another child. Four people now live in that small damp space. They are constantly ill and Kerstin has a seizure disorder. As the children grow, Josef begins to fear them. He thinks that they may gang up on him and make the cellar his coffin. He begins to ponder the problem of reuniting the two families.


In my next post, I will speak about the release from the cellar, and various points of interest.


It's now 2004 and the reunion of the two families is all Josef and Elisabeth discuss. He has decided that Elisabeth and her children will mysteriously escape from the cult that was holding them. Because Josef knew that the cellar children would never be able to acclimate to regular society, he assigned each of the cellar children a job in the household. One would be the cook, one a housekeeper, and one would handle the family's finances. Josef was never worried that Elisabeth or her children would reveal the actual circumstances of their captivity. He had abused them for so long, he figured that they would always be under his command.


It's late April 2008 and now 19 year old Kerstin has suddenly fallen very ill. She is clammy to the touch, shakes constantly, and will not respond to stimuli. After hours of Elisabeth pleading for help, Josef finally relents and agrees to take Kerstin to the Hospital. The two families would meet much sooner than planned.

Josef puts the non responsive Kerstin in a new set of clothing and lays her on a bed in the house. He then places a call to the polices and announces that he has found another child on his doorstep, but this time it's a teenage female. At the hospital, Kerstin is in such a critical condition that she has to be put in a medical coma. The doctor's are baffled by her condition, and work with the police to put out a media bulletin, begging Kerstin's mother to come forward with any information about her condition.

Still in the cellar and watching all of the media coverage surrounding Kerstin's appearance, a frantic Elisabeth begs her father to set them free.

April 26, 2008 Josef, Elisabeth Felix and Stefan all show up at the hospital to visit Kerstin. The hospital alerts the police and they arrest Elisabeth for child abuse. During questioning, Elisabeth will not say much until they threaten to take away her children. Fearful of this, she says to the detectives, " I'll tell you everything, as long as I never have to see my father again". The resulting tale would captivate the world and shame Austria.



In my next post, we will have the cellar specifications, quotes, and another similar crime set in Austria.

Thanks for reading. Any input would be great.
 
I like the idea of this, but i think you should move from heinous crimes, to perhaps heinous/famous unsolved crimes ie the Dahlia,the zodiac killer, the red lipstick murders. That way some discussion can take place/opinions given, if the case is this cut and dry there isn't much to say outside oh what you think about what happened. Just my two cents

I like the idea about unsolved famous crimes!

I have to agree with them.
 
I just saw this. I love it. We need to get more people involved in it. Honestly, I had not heard this story. I am looking up more details now although it looks like you covered things mighty well.
 
I heard about this story on the news but not all the details. Thanks for making these posts, they were very interesting to read 🙂
 
Thanks everyone for the feedback! Please suggest some different crimes that you might want to discuss after this one. Also one interesting thing about this crime is threat Josef's wife has claimed to know nothing of these events and was never even questioned by police.
 
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