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Trent Lott - love him or hate him?

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Trent Lott?

Big mouthed Racist?

or

Comment taken too far from the intent?
 
probably just a dumbass who doesn't think before he opens his mouth. The republican majority leader can't be supporting segregation... can he? Even the National Review doesn't support him on this.

Biggles
 
Not only did Trent Lott make that comment, a couple of years ago, it was revealed that he addressed the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), which is a white supremacist group, at least twice during the 1990's and praised its efforts! Here are some links about his past involvement with the CCC:

http://www.fair.org/press-releases/lott.html
http://www.fair.org/press-releases/lott-update.html
http://www.fair.org/press-releases/ccc.html

The group used to have a website, but (not surprisingly) it's apparently been taken offline.

Makes you wonder, doesn't it? 😡 🙁 :sowrong: :disgust:
 
Considering that Lott was only 7 when Thurmond ran for president, I doubt he meant it as an endorsement of his platform that year. Strom's turned 100, they need to keep a mirror under his nose all the time to make sure he's still breathing, and Trent just figured he'd say something flattering to the ancient coot before he croaks. Empty praise about how swell things would have been if Strom had gotten the chance to run the show, go-to guy and all-around swell fella that he is. To interpret Lott's statement as a subtle approval of segregation is to put far more thought into the matter than I suspect he did himself.

That being said, I wouldn't cry at seeing the back of Trent. I can't say he's done anything to impress me, and bungling the impeachment hearings as utterly as he did is a big negative balance to overcome. I've heard grumblings to the effect that he cut some kind of deal with the Dems over the matter, hence Tom Daschle's uncharacteristically polite acceptance of his apology.

Racist? No, I don't think so.

Incompetent boob concerened exclusively with surgically grafting himself to his Congressional seat permanently? Yeah.
 
Regardless...

Here's another vote for hoping he steps down. There's something a bit ..."smarmy" about his demeanor. Obviously he also lacks political awareness if he thought buttering up Strom was going to score any points with the centerists in the Republican Party. A clever move would have been to either say nothing or politely distance himself from the whole affair. Basically he isn't sharp enough to hold the position, imo. Q
 
Won't matter soon.

He'll likely be disappearing from center stage either way, so why worry? Wave bye-bye to the nice man...stick a fork in him, he's done, etc. etc....ya know? Q
 
The Senate ain't what it used to be. First Pat Moynihan (the thinking man's liberal) retired, and we got Chuck Schumer in his place. Now Phil Gramm (the thinking man's conservative) is gone too. I'm not too impressed with most of the ones who are left.

Like Q, I wouldn't mind seeing the back of Trent Lott, if only because (like Al Gore) his only life skill is politics. I'd prefer that our leaders had held a real job at some point in their lives.

No great loss, anyway. Lott's replacement as Senate leader will be another conservative Republican - presumably one who thinks before he shoots his mouth off. Richard Shelby (AL) or Orrin Hatch (UT) would both be good choices.

Strelnikov
 
I was at Mr. Lott's press conference yesterday. It isn't often that a MS hotel has camera's from around the world monitoring the goof of a high-political figure. Who could resist? 😉 It was well handled with the hotel owner rushing people around like a herd of sheep! Quite a cranky bunch of folks until Lott spoke. I have to say, it was the most impersonal apology I've ever witnessed. Hw was nervous, naturally....but his crow eating technique needs polishing.

Frankly, I think Lott is a career politician of little to no real value other than his influence pulling for my home state. It's great that we reap some reward from his position I know. That's all well and fine, but I'd prefer to have someone in his position that wasn't oblivious to how his words affect people.

Is Lott a racist? I have to say no. He isn't, nor is his family. They are just the nicest folks. HOWEVER, Lott's a moronic goofball with a mouth that runs before his brain. He needs a bootprint on his ass!

Joby
 
just read this in the news...

CNN is devoting a news spot to Senator Lott's history on the race question called "A Lott to Explain", while Time magazine has dug up details on his successful effort to keep his college fraternity all white in the 1960s.

These latest revelations add to a long list of racial controversies in Senator Lott's past. In the 1980s he voted against expanding civil rights laws and supported Bob Jones University in South Carolina, which practises racial discrimination, in a case before the Supreme Court. He not only opposed making Martin Luther King's birthday a national holiday but, after it became law, voted to reverse the decision.

There are growing doubts Senator Lott will survive as the Republican Senate leader. He does not enjoy a close relationship with Mr Bush. Most recently, he was the only senator who voted against Mr Bush's nomination of a black judge to sit on a federal court.
 
Just to play the other side for minute...

If Lott's history is so full to the brim of racist activities, why is it now just coming to light? Surely there are folks whose job it is to knock the political elite of their pedastals. Where was this before? Also...let's take a leap fo faith and think that a man in his position might have other things in mind (aside from race alone) for voting against a black federal judge. *GASP* How dare we think such things?

I always get amused at how easy it is to make a persons actions fit so easily into a situational demand.

Or maybe he's is just a big racist prick~! 😛

Joby
 
Maybe he's a nice guy, like Joby says.

Maybe his position allows him to bring the pork home to his home state.

Certainly the Left are gleefully using his gaffe to give Republicans a black eye. That reveals the hypocrisy of the Left - they don't bother to report or denounce racist statements made by the likes of Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakan.

Still, he has to go. All he is, is a haircut and a smile. Something more than that is needed to push the Republican program through the Senate. That's why I'd like to see Richard Shelby as Majority Leader. Shelby started his political career as an Alabama Democrat, for whom politics was always a blood sport.

Furthermore, Republicans need to take this opportunity to denounce racism. They'll get no credit for it, but it's the right thing to do.

Strelnikov
 
CCC used to have a site, and it get taken off, amk? Well, we have parties like that in the UK. They are called The National Front and the BNP, and I wish their sites get killed off too.

http://www.bnp.org.uk (Nick Griffin is a bitch)
http://www.natfront.com (they REALLY hate coloured people)

And Jean-Marie Le Pen sucks cock too.
 
I'm not sure who you guys are thinking of, but I think Trent Lott is one of the greatest safeties the NFL has ever seen. I wish he had been able to finish his career in San Fran.
 
grippedchimp said:
http://www.natfront.com (they REALLY hate coloured people)
Click to expand...

Did you ever see the British show on TV where they made a white guy up to look black, and he went on a remembrance day march with the National Front? He was the only black person for kilometres, and when he laid a wreath on the cenotaph, the skinheads looked ready to take him to the fucken' cleaners. It was only because of the cameras and the cops that he got out of there with his fake black ass intact. Scary...

Biggles
 
Is Trent Lott a racist? I don't know. Now, Strom Thrumond, on the otherhand, I have no doubt is a racist, and how many times has he been elected?
 
I didn't, but the National Front are a bunch of c***ts. I'm not white, and they'd probably tell me to go back to my P**i home. Yeah, South-East London you jackass. As Jim Royle would say "Fastest growing political party - my arse!"

I personally hate racial supremacy groups. I hate the Nation of Islam. I remember when they attended an inquest of a black kid getting stabbed in South-East London (the well-documented Stephen Lawrence) and they weren't there to support the Lawrence family: They were there to bust some white ass. That I don't like. Sometimes I do question the afro-carribean/american/etc.'s support to Farrakhan and (gulp) Robert Mugabe.

And this is for Krokus. The Nation of Islam and its leader betrayed Malcolm X above all things. In a trip to Saudi Arabia, Malcolm met "blonde-haired, blued-eyed men I could call my brothers." Read this to give you a little insight. Mind you Krokus, what are your opinions on Martin Luther King?

Trent Lott is racist. Voted against Martin Luther King's holiday day and objected to a black judge? That's strong enough evidence.
 
Hm...

Martin Luther King? The guy was brave. Malcom X? Well, I read the article, and I swear...my opinion has changed!! *cough* 🙄
 
Hey grippedchimp, thanks for the links on those parties and Malcolm X. Scary stuff! (The parties, not Malcolm X--LOL.)

Is Trent Lott racist? I don't know him personally, so I don't know. But even some Republicans (like Don Nickles and some of the TMF members) want him to step down, and I think he'll be better off if he does.
 
An Independent's View

Being an Independent, I think I can take a step back and view this whole issue from a nonpartisan point of view.
First, let's take a look at the bigger picture. Strom is the epitome of a right wing extremist stereotype. Why in the world would the Republicans, a party that's trying to attract more minorities to their voting core, throw a birthday bash for a confirmed bigot and racist? I think this was a terrible move. Minority voters sitting on the fence and watching well-known politicians like Bob Dole get up and speak for a racist must have affected their opinions on the Republican Party. The right wing should have let some crazed wing nuts throw the party and distanced themselves as far away as they could from Strom.
Is Trent Lott racist? I really don't think that's the question. No one can know what the man truly feels in his heart. I think the real question is will this affect his role as Senate Majority Leader enough that it would be better for his country that he resign? I think that answer is yes -- every time he opens his mouth, people won't hear what he's saying. They'll only be playing what he said at Strom's party over and over in their heads. In addition, if Lott stays in office, the Democratic Party will try its damnedest to mar the entire Bush administration as supporting a racist. They'll lose a significant amount of credibility to the general public.
In other words, Lott should leave the Republican Party for the greater good. I think the potential long-term damage this man may cause if he sticks around far outweighs his value as a Senate Majority Leader.
Anyway, that my opinion.
 
my opinion, for what it's worth...

i think he alright. i think this is a classic case of "much ado over nothing"
martin l.king? well he took money from the soviet union, had white girl friends, and i think we have way to many holidays, that keep kids out of school, and didn't need one for him! so gee, does this mean i'm a racist?
steve
 
If a writer can be fired for using the word, "niggardly," regardless of the fact that the word was used correctly and had nothing whatever to do with race unless it were misinterpreted, the message that would be sent by Mr Lott's being retained seems to fit in with the idea that the rich and powerful get to write their own rules - golden parachutes for deceitful Enron executives, loss of pension funds for trusting employees. No real shock there.

I suppose it was largely bad luck for Mr Lott that this happened at a party for Mr Thurmond instead of a party for Mr Helms. Had he demonstrated a different sort of apparent insensitivity, he might not even had had to apolgize.

It is depressing that in these political times it's obligatory to make as much hay as possible out of the Enemy's real or perceived shortcomings while at the same time crying out that one isn't trying to do that, but I've no clue how that condition can be undone.

I'd want better knowledge of Mr Lott before deciding on the racist question, as well as, and probably more importantly, a reasonable working definition of the word racist, which has been pulled about like taffy until it's lost almost all its original meaning.

I'm surprised noone else has corrected Mr Strelnikov. Mr Schumer does not occupy the Moynihan Senate seat. For many years New York boasted the finest contrasting pair of Senators in the country in Mr Moynihan and Mr D'Amato. Proving that it was the infighting between Ms Ferraro and Mr Abrams rather than Mr D'Amato's perceived brilliance which had kept him afloat the cycle previous, Mr Schumer unseated Mr D'Amato by a surprisingly large margin (at least, almost all the pollsters were surprised). Mr Moynihan has been replaced by Ms Rodham Clinton, but in her defence I feel safe in asserting that, barring partisan considerations, it's almost impossible to imagine anyone who would have been an improvement on the holder.
 
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