Weight lifters, body-builders, gym frequenters, lend me your ears. (And knowledge.)

[BigJim]

Can anyone who's into this stuff please drop a line on this thread, as I need some advice regarding diet and frequency of certain exercises.

Can also PM me through the Forum if you prefer, or e-mail me on jamie.sleeman1*NOSPAM*@ntlworld.com . (Delete the asterisks and "NOSPAM" as that's to stop my addy being remote harvested.)

 

[giantfan121262]

What are you trying to accomplish? do you want increased muscle mass or are yopu shooting for more definition?

 

[Armpit_licker]

I know a lot about this kinda stuff. Just let me know exactly what you need info on and your goals.

 

[Neutron]

Big Jim

Every other day..

And pretty much eat whatever you like, but keep portions within bounds of reason.

Anything anyone else tells you is a bunch of bullshit.

(Weightlifter since I was 14)


Tron

 

[giantfan121262]

I have been lifting wights since I was 15 and I will tell you this, if you are going for definition, then you should shoot for more reps at 70% of you max. That way you are challenging your muscles to go to "unchartered territory". If you are going for more mass ( which I don't think you want to do given I know your size) then you should go for pure power. What I did when I played football in high school is that I started at doing an X number of reps at 70% of my max and did less reps till I hit my max ( I had a spotter mind you).

If I was going for definition which I presume you want to do ( I could be wrong) I did what they called "burnouts". I started off at my max and worked my way down till I hit about 60% max. What I did was I took 10 pounds off and steped UP the number of reps.

Overall, if you want to change the appearance of your body a good way to go would be to incorporate the weights with a good regimine of cardio. As you saw in my thread of how I lost 55 pounds, that is exactly what I did, It paid dividends, mind you.

If you ever want to talk further about it. I'll be there for you. If you want to keep it private, feel free to PM me.

It's good to see that you are taking steps to improve your health and if I can I hope I can make a difference.

 

[Armpit_licker]

"Anything anyone else tells you is a bunch of bullshit."

Uhhhh, who are you directing this at???

 

[BigJim]

Just to explain my situation a bit further, about 5 years ago when I first joined the Job I was about 195 pounds. At 6'3" this was pretty reasonable. At the time I was training at Tae Kwon Do and doing my own regime of weights that was putting stuff on pretty slowly, but surely.

During the first three years of my job I was hit by a really shitty bout of depression that resulted in that greatest of all physical evils; comfort eating. As I was getting near black belt the resultant weight gain was not welcome as the sort of shit you have to do requires fitness progression, not regression. I dropped out of TKD and the rest of my physical activity slowed right down as well. Going there and not being able to do the stuff I'd been doing with ease six months earlier was just making the depression worse, as did getting all the way to the grade below 1st Dan and then not being able to go further.

Right now I weigh in around the two-fifty mark, and only about ten or fifteen per cent of what needs to be is actually muscle. I have been training, but seem to run in to some impassable barrier around the week three or four mark every time I try. I'll just be getting into the routine and then I'll suddenly become really frigging ill. Last time this resulted in a minging bout of tonsilitis, made even more incredible when you consider I had my tonsils removed when I was 8! (The stumps of where they used to be became really inflamed.)

Now the training I've been trying to do before getting ill has been mostly CV, as I was wanting to concentrate on lung power more than anything. I don't know why it keeps making me ill. Anyone know if overdoing things can lower the level of the immune system?

When I was slimmer and fitter about 5 years ago, I didn't have any problems like this. Now this may have been more due to luck than judgement, but I'd love to know what I'm doing wrong. Maybe it was because I started doing TKD at 19 and my fitness was improved gradually through that before I started gym work?

More to come. I'll reply to people's questions about my goals today.

 

[BlackmoonDoll]

BigJim

just call on this Buff stud! this person will hook you up right with all your excerise and gym training needs

 

[Neutron]

Big Jim..

You sound like a guy I work with.

Do what I said above, you'll end up ok.

Working out to overload actually does lower your immune system, I know because it happened to me about 12 years ago.

By the way, if I may suggest something, doing a simple walk everyday would do you wonders. I walk 4 miles a day and it's the best overall workout you can get.

Armpit Tickler, I sent that out to anyone who tries to feed JIm bullshit. I've been doing this for 29 years and it served me well in the NFL, in my job, and in military special projects. Anyone who tries to tell JIm otherwise is full of shit.

Tron

 

[BlackmoonDoll]

Re: Big Jim..

You sound like a guy I work with.

Do what I said above, you'll end up ok.

Working out to overload actually does lower your immune system, I know because it happened to me about 12 years ago.

By the way, if I may suggest something, doing a simple walk everyday would do you wonders. I walk 4 miles a day and it's the best overall workout you can get.

Armpit Tickler, I sent that out to anyone who tries to feed JIm bullshit. I've been doing this for 29 years and it served me well in the NFL, in my job, and in military special projects. Anyone who tries to tell JIm otherwise is full of shit.

Tron

NFL? lol good one... 🙄

what year? what team? what number? what position? who was your head coach? and what were your total NFL career stats? then

 

[BigJim]

What I want to achieve.

First of all guys, thanks for responding. 🙂 Now to business...

What are you trying to accomplish? do you want increased muscle mass or are yopu shooting for more definition?

I know a lot about this kinda stuff. Just let me know exactly what you need info on and your goals.

Every other day..

And pretty much eat whatever you like, but keep portions within bounds of reason.

Anything anyone else tells you is a bunch of bullshit.

(Weightlifter since I was 14)


Tron

I have been lifting wights since I was 15 and I will tell you this, if you are going for definition, then you should shoot for more reps at 70% of you max. That way you are challenging your muscles to go to "unchartered territory". If you are going for more mass ( which I don't think you want to do given I know your size) then you should go for pure power. What I did when I played football in high school is that I started at doing an X number of reps at 70% of my max and did less reps till I hit my max ( I had a spotter mind you).

If I was going for definition which I presume you want to do ( I could be wrong) I did what they called "burnouts". I started off at my max and worked my way down till I hit about 60% max. What I did was I took 10 pounds off and steped UP the number of reps.

Overall, if you want to change the appearance of your body a good way to go would be to incorporate the weights with a good regimine of cardio. As you saw in my thread of how I lost 55 pounds, that is exactly what I did, It paid dividends, mind you.

If you ever want to talk further about it. I'll be there for you. If you want to keep it private, feel free to PM me.

It's good to see that you are taking steps to improve your health and if I can I hope I can make a difference.

I'm not overly fussed about my body weight, but I am fussed about what comprises it. I would guess (and it's a guess that's not based on much knowledge of the subject) that my weight if I was the shape I wanted to be, would be around 220-225.

I was lighter before, but that was through doing a different kind of activity. I havn't done martial arts for close to three years now, so I'd probably be aiming at hard definition and more muscle, but not the Mike Christian or Eddie Robinson kind of build. I want the new physique to be functional as well as decent to look at, and immense amounts of bulk probably wouldn't be practical.

So a small amount of muscle mass to be gained would be fine, but mainly definition. Any kind of program I engage in will always have a CV element as well as resistance training, I won't ever forget that; but it's toning, definition and blubber loss I want to concentrate on mostly. Maybe an 80-20 or 70-30 split.

One thing I should say is that I'm kinda rusty on the terminology. There's 10 reps to a set isn't there? 😕
Gawd, has it been that long...

 

[BigJim]

BigJim

just call on this Buff stud! this person will hook you up right with all your excerise and gym training needs

Looks like Mrs. Mullan, one of my junior school teachers. This one probably has a sweeter disposition though. 😀

 

[Neutron]

Re: Re: Big Jim..

NFL? lol good one... 🙄

what year? what team? what number? what position? who was your head coach? and what were your total NFL career stats? then

81, 82 and 83.

Marv Levy, Then John Mackovic

Position Coach was Jim Solomon (who also got me my intial tryout.)

Strong Safety.

Played 23 games total.

51 Tackles. 2 Interceptions and a Fumble Recovery

Got ran over by Earl Campbell Twice

Stopped playing due to a BAD concussion.

Anymore questions boy?


Tron

Tron

 

[BigJim]

Re: Re: Re: Big Jim..

Anymore questions boy?


Tron

Heh heh.

For some reason that remark gave me a mental image of Ernest Ainsley, that televangelist who talks like Foghorn Leghorn. 😀

 

[Cosmo_ac]

Jim, i would suggest you take up swimming. Good cardio and good fullbody excercise. It will tone your body up nicely, and give you time to build up stamina.

also, listen to what everybody says, not just one person. Each person has different experiences and each person has a different body. What works best for one person might not work as well for others. Lsten to what people have to say, and figure out for yourself what you think would work best for you.

 

[BigJim]

Cheers Cos.🙂

 

[BlackmoonDoll]

Re: Re: Re: Big Jim..

81, 82 and 83.

Marv Levy, Then John Mackovic

Position Coach was Jim Solomon (who also got me my intial tryout.)

Strong Safety.

Played 23 games total.

51 Tackles. 2 Interceptions and a Fumble Recovery

Got ran over by Earl Campbell Twice

Stopped playing due to a BAD concussion.

Anymore questions boy?


Tron

Tron

I smell bull shit in the air.... 😀 all lies i tell ya

 

[Neutron]

I Assure You They're Not Little Fella..

No use lieing about a semi average career.

Then again, at 21 I could spell.

Tron

 

[Neutron]

cosmo, EXCELLENT Suggestion!

I used to swim about 3 times a week. Now, with my rotator cuff, I rarely swim at all, it's torn in just the right spot that it's tough doing a breaststroke.

Tron

 

[BigJim]

So should I training CV three days, resistance training the other three days, with the seventh off?

 

[kis123]

Right now I weigh in around the two-fifty mark, and only about ten or fifteen per cent of what needs to be is actually muscle. I have been training, but seem to run in to some impassable barrier around the week three or four mark every time I try. I'll just be getting into the routine and then I'll suddenly become really frigging ill. Last time this resulted in a minging bout of tonsilitis, made even more incredible when you consider I had my tonsils removed when I was 8! (The stumps of where they used to be became really inflamed.)

Now the training I've been trying to do before getting ill has been mostly CV, as I was wanting to concentrate on lung power more than anything. I don't know why it keeps making me ill. Anyone know if overdoing things can lower the level of the immune system?

I thought I was the only person that goes through this. I've been working out since late Aug, early Sept. and I keep getting sick every so many weeks. Do you have a history of fibromyalgia? That would explain the depression as well. This past January, I had such a bad case of depression I could barely get off my couch until Feb. The fibro tends to flare up every so often. My body doesn't like exercise, but it's like taking certain medicines-you may hate it, but you need it to live.

Keep up the good work. I've lost 43 lbs to date with plenty to go. I run into setbacks now and then, but I've decided to keep going. I'm not willing to find out what'll happen if I quit now.

 

[BigJim]

I thought I was the only person that goes through this. I've been working out since late Aug, early Sept. and I keep getting sick every so many weeks. Do you have a history of fibromyalgia? That would explain the depression as well. This past January, I had such a bad case of depression I could barely get off my couch until Feb. The fibro tends to flare up every so often. My body doesn't like exercise, but it's like taking certain medicines-you may hate it, but you need it to live.

Keep up the good work. I've lost 43 lbs to date with plenty to go. I run into setbacks now and then, but I've decided to keep going. I'm not willing to find out what'll happen if I quit now.

The depression was inorganic (caused by circumstances with certain colleagues of mine, rather than a chemical imbalance) and no, I've never had fibromyalgia. I think I was just literally training too hard and burning my lymphocytes out. That's what I guess anyway Kis.

Glad you're conquering your demons hun. Keep up the good work. 🙂

 

[tommytikl]

I will also reflect what others have said here..basically sweating is the key...sweat burns off the fat and builds muscle which further burns the fat..
How you do that is up to you?
I would get back into your TKD session, even if you aren't up to what you USED to do...at least that will be a cardiac excercise AND something you like to do.
With the weights you should take a body part off at least every other day..
Some will do shoulders and back one day and arms and chest the other day, or some do upper body one day and lower body the next.

Also, about the sickness, yeah you are probably pushing it a bit too hard, just back down a bit, and see if your sickness subsides...it should...also be aware that after 3-4 of training that you need to change up your weight training or your muscles get used to one thing and don't grow, not just adding weight but the way you lift it...


Hey Neutron, I think I know who you are...nice career...really!
Blackmoon...thanks for the great contribution to this tread..I never knew this much about Neutron!🙄

 

[BigJim]

I will also reflect what others have said here..basically sweating is the key...sweat burns off the fat and builds muscle which further burns the fat..
How you do that is up to you?
I would get back into your TKD session, even if you aren't up to what you USED to do...at least that will be a cardiac excercise AND something you like to do.
With the weights you should take a body part off at least every other day..
Some will do shoulders and back one day and arms and chest the other day, or some do upper body one day and lower body the next.

Also, about the sickness, yeah you are probably pushing it a bit too hard, just back down a bit, and see if your sickness subsides...it should...also be aware that after 3-4 of training that you need to change up your weight training or your muscles get used to one thing and don't grow, not just adding weight but the way you lift it...

I'm gonna give it five weeks I think, before I change my routine.

Right now I'm doing this regime...

5 minutes on bike.
5 minutes on rower at level 7. Upper and lower body now warmed up.

3 sets of 15 reps on chest press (virtually a bench press thingy, but you're sat in a chair instead of laid on a bench).
3 sets of 15 reps at lateral pulldown.
3 sets of 15 reps on shoulder press (the same as lifting the heavy weights, but done on a machine instead of with a bar).

Treadmill for fifteen minutes at 6 km/h.

3 sets of 15 reps on the ab curler. (Fucking agony! )

I think this exercises a pretty broad spread of muscle groups, so I'm hoping it's a good enough start. When I was fit before it was through martial arts training, and my size and fitness seemed to come naturally. Following the depression at work it all seems so much harder.

 

[Armpit_licker]

What supps are you currently taking?