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Were we wrong...the US i mean..

melanie2

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Looking back in retrospect, were we wrong to annihilate two cities in Japan? Was that the only way Japan would surrender? All those innocent people killed, wiped out in an instant..and the months of after effects from the nuclear bomb that made others suffer..if it were the present day..would we have acted in the same capacity? Dropping nuclear bombs on an entire city? I've thought about this on and off, especially since today marks the anniversary of Pearl Harbor..however i was NOT around at the time..grr
 
Did it win the war. Yes.

Did it save American lives from dying in an invasion of Japan. Yes.

Did it kill innocent Japanese civilians. Of course. So did the constant firebombing of their cities. We did the same thing to the German cities as well.

This wasn't the only atrocity of the war though. We all know the concentration camps of Nazi Germany kills millions. Now here is what you may not know. More than 10,000 humans (mostly Chinese but also Russians as well as a few USA P.O.W.'s) were dissected while still alive or infected with biological weapons and then had their deaths observed by a branch of the Empire of Japan's military dubbed "Unit 731".

So all in all...ALL SIDES WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN ATROCITIES!

Is war in total wrong as a whole? YES!

There is a reason why peace is so highly valued even though it's only a concept. It's because the alternative sucks ass.

May the leaders of all nations remember that AS LEADERS they are responsible for all of their nation's people and wisdom is counted as a blessed virtue that most leaders should take note of!
 
The other alternative was to invade the Japanese homeland. Not to mention all that was STILL going on in the South Pacific. Who knows what havoc would have been wrought in the Pacific rim if we hadn't? It shortened the war, and estimates say anywhere from 6 months to three years were curtailed by the dropping of the bombs. It was a somber moment when we had to drop it, and thankfully we had someone quirky and ballsy enough like Truman to give the order.

It was a sad thing to have to do, but I believe it very well may have been the right thing.
 
Izzy,

The estimated losses for an invasion of the home islands of the japanese empire at the time was over 1,000,000 men. I have no problem with the atomic bomb drops. I'd doubt we would do it today because those in charge dont have the BALLS to do it! Sorry if i offend anybody, but the truth always hurts and thats the truth. In total war like that was, civillians are colateral damage. How many Hawaiian civillians did the japs kill at Pearl Harbor? A bunch more civillians got killed at Dresden in the firebombings by the allies than did the japenese civillians at hiroshima.
Look it up.
 
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In terms of civilian deaths, its probably true that, had the US invaded the main islands of Japan, more civilians would have died than did in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Its also true, as people have pointed out, that the firebombings of Dresden and other cities had the same effect as atomic bombs, just less efficient. America would doubtless have firebombed during the invasion, perhaps rendering the issue moot. Without targeting industrial/civilian locations at all during WW2, the war would have been very difficult. While perhaps noble, in a major war where the actors are concerned with survival, rules inevitably break down. Over asymmetrically strong participants "play by the rules" in war (see guerilla war, the American Revolution, etc.)

One of the "alternate history" questions I'd wonder on this subject: What would the Soviets have done? As you may recall, the Russians declared war on Japan at the very end, ousting them from North Korea and establishing Kim Il-Sung as communist dictator (Kim Jong-Il's father). I'd say its pretty clear Korea would've been better off had they not done that. Imagine if the Pacific war dragged on: instead of a divided Korea, we might have a fully gross Democratic People's Republic of Korea in Seoul, and a North/South split in Japan. That'd deprive millions of Koreans and Japanese of the democracy and prosperity they know today. Regardless of almost anything in the interrim, I'd say that's very important and good.

Still, on this infamous day, its an worthwhile question to ponder over. While the Japanese and German gov'ts were wrong for beginning that war, each death on both sides was tragic. Its not like shoemakers in Hiroshima or Berlin had any say in the matter.
 
excellent points carnivore318. But i would like to point out that a lot of the german and japenese supported their governments starting the war. Some did not. The most peculiar thing to me about WW 1 and WW 2 is that Japan was our allies in WW 1.
 
How many more Japanese civilains and soldiers would have died if the Allies would have had to invade?
 
I have known many a veteran who say that they may not have lived if Japan was invaded.
 
I think it was wrong to be honest, but then japan did some horrible things to people, pearl harbour for starters, burma railway, to name just two.

Today other people have the atomic power so its a different thing and i don't think it would happen again.

Sometimes i could sit down and cry my eyes out when i think of all the cruel things going on in the world, mans inhumanity to man syndrome, but its far from a perfect world, just wish it wasn't the case.

It does always seem to be the most innocent who suffer the most.
 
There may be suffering Hazelf but there is always hope. It's the one thing mankind hasn't learned how to kill yet.
 
Wait... we did what? I'm pretty sure Godzilla destroyed everything. I've seen the footage.

And it's atomic breath, not atomic bombs. You guys are weird.
 
My Great-Uncle was on one of the ships that went to Japan to bring back soldiers that were being held prisoner. He told me that each man had been given 1 cup of rice per day and that it was infested with maggots. They would literally work them and beat them until they dropped. One soldier in particular was too ill to work and it was winter so they tied him to a fencepost and left him to freeze. Another of the soldiers told him this when he was well enough to talk. My uncle also told me that when the soldiers being held captive saw their rescuers they cried. I,ll never forget.
 
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my late father was in ww2. and some of his buddies told me some real horror stories as well. Guess thats why i have hard feelings still.
 
Wait... we did what? I'm pretty sure Godzilla destroyed everything. I've seen the footage.

And it's atomic breath, not atomic bombs. You guys are weird.

LOL. GODZILLLAAAAAAAA! (points and runs away)
 
Horrible things were being done by every single side. Not just to P.O.W.'s but to civilians as well. Pretty bad time for the world.
 
Not Like the Nazis, Japan and our allies at the time the Soviets they weren,t. The Nazi,s were giving themselves up to British, Canadian and US forces after D-Day so the Russians wouldn,t get them.
 
Ahem.

No. We weren't wrong.

Only the people who decided to, and did drop that bomb, were wrong.

I didn't do anything, and I admit NOTHING!!!
 
I think that the allies just wanted it to stop so they used the most destructive weapon that they had and too many innocent people were killed, injured and lost their loved ones. At the time people were happy to get their Fathers, Sons and Brothers back. My Grandmother said that she just wanted the boys to come home but the boys never came home, they were changed forever.
 
Thanks guys..i learned a great deal from reading these posts..and what do ya know..a thread that has gone into two pages that hasn't dealt with the hmm other forum..yipppeeeee....
 
Wait... we did what? I'm pretty sure Godzilla destroyed everything. I've seen the footage.

And it's atomic breath, not atomic bombs. You guys are weird.

And?
 
I was thinking bout something like that earlier and I thought the nukes probabley been used even if the us invaded japan
 
My wife's aunt (by marriage) was a survivor of Hiroshima. She was on a bus outside the city when the blast happened. She always said the civilians were being trained to fight with anything they could lay their hands on.
Yes, Allied losses would have been close to 1,000,000 men. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were relatively spared from the fire-bombing to see what the "new weapon" would do.

Needless to say, decendants from Hiroshima are still living with various ailments from the radition poisoning.

Do I agree with the event? Yes, my Dad was in Europe and my wife's Dad was in the Pacific (Pearl Habor Survivor). It saved many lives, but changed the world as we know it forever.
I pray I never see it in my lifetime.
 
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