What was God thinking?

[melanie2]

I posted this as a blog on another forum today..yes i am a positive person and believe in having fun when possible..and i've had some things happen to me in the past in which i could have turned out to be bitter for the rest of my life..you mostly know me as that silly izzy..well that's what i want you to see for the most part..i'm playful, flirty, silly, but i have my serious side..and i'll share that with you now..i heard that over on the other tickle forum, there were people who felt i should have gotten over the deaths of my three babies long ago and quit thinking and/or mentioning it..these were obviously people who never suffered that terrible loss..you never get over it..it's a sadness that seeps into your soul and stays there..here is the blog i wrote..

"I"m sorry i posted one blog today, but after reading about that nanny who abused a baby, and was caught on video..i simply must blog again..i read and hear about case after case of child abuse, neglect, and even murder..and many of these situations the parents are the abusers, neglecters, and murderers..and it's usually no accident..and i ask myself..God can see all..He knows what will happen before it happens..why o why does He allow them to have children and someone like myself and my husband were not given that opportunity? This is a question that i will ask til the end of my days..to hold your own baby in your arms..looking at her/him after birth..thinking i made this..something i never was allowed..only glimpses i had of mine were them being carried out of the room dead..which leads me to another question..God knew this would happen to me..so why was i allowed to become pregnant at all? sorry to vent..this is a sadness that even after all these years, will never leave my soul.."

 

[sadi]

There are some blessings which are known while we're alive (an answer to 'Why o WHY God, did this happen to me?!! Look at all the other people, so why me?! WHY me?!?!!' for example), but there are also some blessings that will not be revealed to us until we are able to sit at His feet.

I have NO idea why your children were allowed to die before they were even able to be given a chance to live, same as the reason why I don't know that such audacious acts of violence and neglect are allowed to happen to children, among a plethora of other misdeeds that exist in this fallen world. Some of them we are able to find the better purpose for, while we are still alive, here on earth, and some will forever remain a fleeting mystery until we are sitting at our Lord's feet.

So in short, I do not know why. And I don't know when we'll be able to learn the reason for all these misfortunes either. :unsure

 

[QueenBeeBeeMari]

I wish I had the answer. It angers me soo much to hear of such people.I will try to contain myself but HOW DARE those people tell you such things!! They had NO RIGHT to say such awful things,you grieve as long as YOU need to.I am sorry to hear you had to go through such a terrible experience so many times.As for the abusers of babies and children alike well,to keep myself composed all I will say is..may God have mercy on their sick souls!

 

[Rox_My_Sox1]

I personally believe omnipotence has a price...and the price god as to pay is he has to obey his owns laws (as the deity of good and order and such). I think he/she/it may have made a bet with evil to see which one humanity would come to reflect most in it's deeds...good or evil. The part of the bet evil and god agreed to was no influencing the choices of others...they can only present the choice...the human presented with said choice has to make the decision ultimately...and all too often humans make choices whose consequences hurt others...but there ARE PEOPLE (lots of them) who make the right choices so the ultimate battle isn't over yet. ^_^

 

[Rox_My_Sox1]

But to answer your question though Izzy...I bet god was thinking (while crying tears), "why oh why aren't you listening to me...why aren't you listening to that little voice in the back of your head that keeps nagging you with saying what you doing is wrong and YOU KNOW IT SO STOP DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! That little voice is me and if you keep doing this when you end up before me...you'll find out I'm not so little nor so patient to those who ignore me and their own humanity! Please stop doing this! Stop hurting the infant! Listen to me! Please! LISTEN! Do the right thing!

 

[QueenBeeBeeMari]

I,personally love that answer Rox.It's the best I've heard in a long time.

 

[sadi]

Yes, I like your reply as well, Rox. 😉

And He's likely crying whenever you cry as well, Izzy. Though our road is paved with 'trials and tribulations' I'm sure God doesn't like putting us through those things. I mean, I'm POSITIVE He wouldn't be 'happy' or nearly 'applauding' the senseless genocide of fellow Rwandans, or rape of any child, or premature death to a woman he knows who will be faithful and a blessing to that little bundle of joy. :cry

 

[melanie2]

thanks guys...i like all your answers..sure i don't dwell on my losses..but when i hear a story like that..or watch a movie like The Baby Dance..it angers me..and yes i've had people ask why i don't adopt..we did..it fell thru at the last moment..and David said never again..we won't get our hearts broken anymore..God must have a reason for our family to just consist of hubby, me and my cat..

 

[Slaver123]

A grown man's in tears over here now......

True atheism might make things more bearable. Take "God" out of the equation and there IS a reason for every tragic death; people get sick or have congenital birth defects and they don't make it. In the brutal physical world there is no "why" besides that, no painful "reason" for it, and God didn't deliberately make it happen, there's no need to look for a "purpose" in a tragedy, no need to be bitter against some Spirit for taking our loved ones.

But I'm a believer.... I just lost one of two remaining close relatives recently (not a "tragedy" exactly cause she lived a very long healthy life, can't complain) And my life has NOT gone the way I wanted it to. It's taken me 40 years to accept the notion that God doesn't want us to know every answer. That Un-knowns and Un-answered questions are meant to be part of the human experience, and that not everything is a deliberate part of God's plan but He can mine some good even out of bad things. The main thing is to focus on the blessings you have, and not the ones you don't have.

(Not trying to sound callous- I've never lost a child, can only imagine how awful that must be)

 

[Budweiserbob!]

I personally believe omnipotence has a price...and the price god as to pay is he has to obey his owns laws (as the deity of good and order and such). I think he/she/it may have made a bet with evil to see which one humanity would come to reflect most in it's deeds...good or evil. The part of the bet evil and god agreed to was no influencing the choices of others...they can only present the choice...the human presented with said choice has to make the decision ultimately...and all too often humans make choices whose consequences hurt others...but there ARE PEOPLE (lots of them) who make the right choices so the ultimate battle isn't over yet. ^_^

... Isn't that the backstory to movie "Constantine"? 😛

But to honestly answer your question "Why does God let it happen?", I can only see that these tragic incidents offer proof that there really isn't a God. Yeah, I know, I'm Atheist so I'm gonna be a tad bias, but it's how I honestly feel. I like Slaver123's idea of true atheism because it does offer the reasoning you seek. We're nothing more than biological creatures. We grow, we die. End of. Tragic accidents like the ones you went through are natural, as harsh as that may sound, and I feel that the belief in a God only prolongs that pain of those incidents.

 

[melanie2]

I understand what you two are saying..however i respectfully disagree..without my faith in God these tragedies, unbearable as they were, would have been even more devastating..without the belief that i will one day see not only my babies, but my parents, and my husband if he should die before me, i could not go on..my faith has helped me deal with not only these occurrences, but several other tragic events that happened in my life..without that faith i would have given up long ago..i do not believe that we are merely organic or biological creatures, meant to live, die then nothing..but i respect your beliefs..

 

[Budweiserbob!]

Fair enough, and I'll respect yours aswell. Simply put, I just couldn't care less if there is or isn't a God. I don't believe in one personally, but if there were I probably wouldn't worship them anyway. 😛

 

[melanie2]

Fair enough, and I'll respect yours aswell. Simply put, I just couldn't care less if there is or isn't a God. I don't believe in one personally, but if there were I probably wouldn't worship them anyway. 😛

hmm you can worship me then...giggles..i would like to ask you this though..if there is no God or devine entity..how did we get here? mere accident of cosmic forces? see that is something i cannot believe..

 

[Budweiserbob!]

Just like I can't believe that a gigantic man magically created everything, or believe in a Cosmic Jewish Zombie. 😛

Well no one knows for sure, obviously, but I personally do believe in the natural course of things. Given the size of the universe and the the amount of time passed since, the possibility of any event occurring can happen regardless of how small that chance is. So I do believe that our existance is merely a natural chain of events.

 

[Frost King]

Well, how can somemone tell you to get over that thats not something you can just forget. i couldn't ever forget something like that if it happened to me.

 

[PurpleStyle]

I have it on good authority that god lets bad things happen because somebody forgot to pay his medicaid bill and they had to pull the plug on his life support. XD

 

[Celerich]

I personally don't like to talk about my religious reasonings on the web, but I will say this, something I heard my pastor say once. Religion will destroy you. Faith will save you. I have my reasonings for being Christian, and personally, no offence intended, I can't see how one could be atheist. But, That also involves your own perspective on the world. But, I'm getting off topic. I'm sorry for everything that's happened to you Queen. I don't believe God just watches bad things happen and thinks. "Meh." I think most problems and bad things in the world derive from human sin. But, I don't want to get into a religious debate right now, So I'll just say that I'll pray that you find the choice He wants you to make.

 

[Slaver123]

I personally don't like to talk about my religious reasonings on the web, but I will say this, something I heard my pastor say once. Religion will destroy you. Faith will save you. .

Amen! That's kinda what I was getting at; I've been filtering everything through religious goggles for decades until recently, and it can add an extra weight to tragedies. I think a healthier view is similar to the Atheist view, where bad things just happen for natural physical reasons, NOT from the hand of God. I was over-religious and lost sight of that

"...for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust." Matt 5:45 (kinda remembered the verse and looked it up on "Bing" just now)

God does NOT cause everything. He allows the natural world to take its course, and that means some people are sick all their lives and some are healthy; some live to be 90 and some don't make it past one year. He hasn't "singled you out" for tragedy on purpose; but your faith gives you strength to deal with it.

We don't need the added anger of thinking there's someone all-powerful right by our shoulder who COULD fix it all but callously chooses not to and then expects us to love Him; I fell into that exact mindset for years. I lost my faith and then gained some of it back, but in a much better form.

 

[melanie2]

wow isn't this nice...talking about religion without all the flaming..it's a miracle...hehehe..

Arson hon...well no of course i'll never get over it..mostly it's locked deep inside and comes to the surface during times like this..when i read about baby abuse..etc..

 

[hsfn]

Izzy in every tragedy God is there already. You obviously know that. You would not be OK today if you had not put your faith in him that there is an answer that you will one day know. That is why its called faith. That is why you believe. If you knew the answer why have faith or trust or belief. God is building that in you through all that you have gone through. I learned that too when my ex-wife and I had to choose between her life and the child more than 15 years ago. Eventually it destroyed us. Today she has the 1 child we did have together and I have not been able to see her for several years. She blames me for the child we had to give up although it was a mutual decision that at the time she demanded and I let her make without too much objection. Today I know that we have got to give up the things we have no control over. Know that God is in control weather we LIKE what he does or not, he will bless you in other ways and you will do for others things you never ever thought you could. Good luck.

 

[Budweiserbob!]

:threadj:

This thread is now about Religion. KEEP IT NEUTRAL PEOPLE! Or I'll play God and smite thee with the unholy banhammer. 😉

 

[melanie2]

Izzy in every tragedy God is there already. You obviously know that. You would not be OK today if you had not put your faith in him that there is an answer that you will one day know. That is why its called faith. That is why you believe. If you knew the answer why have faith or trust or belief. God is building that in you through all that you have gone through. I learned that too when my ex-wife and I had to choose between her life and the child more than 15 years ago. Eventually it destroyed us. Today she has the 1 child we did have together and I have not been able to see her for several years. She blames me for the child we had to give up although it was a mutual decision that at the time she demanded and I let her make without too much objection. Today I know that we have got to give up the things we have no control over. Know that God is in control weather we LIKE what he does or not, he will bless you in other ways and you will do for others things you never ever thought you could. Good luck.

damn i'm so sorry about that..how could she blame you for loving her so much you wanted her to live? hugs you...and thank you

BudweisorBob i'm shaking in my wee feet..:stickout

 

[Budweiserbob!]

BudweisorBob i'm shaking in my wee feet..

Izzy, have you weed on your feet again. *sigh* 😛

Religion is a difficult thing for me to even attempt to believe in. The whole Christianity way just never made sense to me. It was only until recently that I realised I had misinterpreted one aspect of the Christian view. The "He made us in his image" thing. I'd always believed that it meant he made us to look like him physically... not the deeper meaning of good will, love, kindness etc. But even still I find that hard to believe. =/

 

[Rox_My_Sox1]

... Isn't that the backstory to movie "Constantine"?

If it is then someone in Hollywood damn well owes me merchandising rights...:glare

 

[PurpleStyle]

I personally don't like to talk about my religious reasonings on the web, but I will say this, something I heard my pastor say once. Religion will destroy you. Faith will save you. I have my reasonings for being Christian, and personally, no offence intended, I can't see how one could be atheist. But, That also involves your own perspective on the world. But, I'm getting off topic. I'm sorry for everything that's happened to you Queen. I don't believe God just watches bad things happen and thinks. "Meh." I think most problems and bad things in the world derive from human sin. But, I don't want to get into a religious debate right now, So I'll just say that I'll pray that you find the choice He wants you to make.

If you went back in time 100 years and showed somebody a modern laptop, they'd think you possessed some kind of magical or holy object - when the truth is, they don't have an understanding of the object. Faith is exactly that: not understanding.

I could concede (at gunpoint, with the threat of murdering my family, of course) that there was an impersonal god who "jump-started" the universe. But for it to give so much attention to the inhabitants of a pale blue dot whose own galaxy would appear as a speck when viewed from far enough away; doesn't make any sense.

I'll compromise though, I'm not unreasonable. If you want to prove god exists to me personally, all you have to do is show me beings that evolved into humans - from another planet besides Earth. :lol