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Who's the most overrated major leaguer?

Knox The Hatter

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I vote for Alfonso Soriano. His baserunning skills prove that he's marginally more than mentally retarded, he's not as good a hitter as he's blown up to be, and over all, he's far less than the legend he's convinced himself that he is in his own mind.

Honorable mention: Johnny Damon.
 
Until he proves to me that he belongs elsewhere besides the DL, I have to say Cub pitcher Mark Prior. When he is healthy, sure he is very good, but that has yet to be seen in a couple of years now. I hope him the best but for now, he is just getting a lot of attention to get hurt.
 
I know he's a catcher, and seemingly hurt a lot, but my choice for this is Ivan Rodriguez. The guy is potrayed as this offensive force, and really isnt.
Retired major leaguer who was way overrated: Darryl Strawberry. He had exactly four really good seasons in New York, went to LA, had one good season, and fell apart. Everyone used to call him "The black Ted Williams" What a crock. The guy was probably the most overrated player to ever play the game.

Mitch
 
Mitchell said:
I know he's a catcher, and seemingly hurt a lot, but my choice for this is Ivan Rodriguez. The guy is potrayed as this offensive force, and really isnt.
Retired major leaguer who was way overrated: Darryl Strawberry. He had exactly four really good seasons in New York, went to LA, had one good season, and fell apart. Everyone used to call him "The black Ted Williams" What a crock. The guy was probably the most overrated player to ever play the game.

Mitch
:ranty: I STRONGLY disagree with you about Darryl Strawberry. Fact is, he hit 252 homeruns as a Met. He averaged 31.5 homeruns a season in 8( not even full years ) in New York. Shea Stadium ( unlike the Launching Pad at Fulton County Stadium ) is not condusive to hitting homeruns. The fact that Strawberry was not doing Steriods gives his remarkable numbers at Shea even more creedence. To say that he is overrated is a crock in of it's own. Facts are when Strawberry left the Mets they fell apart from 1991 until 1997. So please before you go into him being the most overrated player to ever play the game reel it in. Strawberry won Rookie of the Year in 1983 even though he didn't come up until May of that year. He his 26 homeruns and had 74 RBIs. In 1984 ( his first FULL season ) he hit 26 and drove in 97 runs. In 1985, he missed 8 weeks because he RIPPED his thumb apart catching a sinking line drive. Yet still hit 29 homeruns and drove in 79 despite missing 8 weeks. In 1986 the year the Mets won it all he hit 27 homeruns and drove in 93. ( Davey Johnson gave him and lots of regulars time off. Darryl played in only 131 games and PH in 5 others ). In 1987 he hit 39 homeruns and drove in 104 while batting .284 stealing 36 bases and a slugging % of .583. In 1988, Darryl was cheated out of the MVP when he hit a league leading 39 homeruns he had 101 RBIs. Stole 29 bases and lead the league in slugging % with a .545. Yet Kirk Gibson won MVP when he hit 25 homeruns and drove in 76 and had a .483 slugging %. :ranty: Injuries hurt Darryl in 1989 and he missed 31 games but he did hit 29 homeruns and drove in 77. His last year as a Met he hit 37 homeruns and drove in 108. So with those numbers how can you say he was overrated? Did he fulfill potential? No. I will be the first to admit that. But Darryl struck fear into the hearts of pitchers like no other player did in that time. Was he the " Black Ted Williams " no. But when you start placing the next Ted Williams, the next Willie Mays or the next Mickey Mantle ( and you heard that alot in the 70's and 80's ) how much pressure is there on that player and how often does it happen? Have you seen the next Willie or Ted or Mickey? No you have not. Now had you said Von Hayes, I would have your back Mitch, but not this time. I say that what you have said is bogus. :ranty: For you to say that a man that finished his career with 355 homeruns is overrated tells me that you were not paying attention.

Now for my overrated player, how about Kerry Wood? Always injuried. The next time he gets 33 starts in a season will be the first time. He is ALWAYS on the DL. He never pitches a full season. He is 70-54 in a career that is already 8 years long. That averages out to 9 1/4 wins a season and 6 3/4 loses a season. And EVERY single season the Cubs pin their hopes that this guy stay healthy and pitch them to a World Series. That is funny because his career high in wins is only 14. Now that is overrated. Not a man that hit 37 plus homeruns three times in 8 years. :ranty:
 
In his day, I never saw a ball jump off a bat the way it did when Darryl Strawberry hit it. There certainly were flaws with this man, as we all know, but Gee is right...he did leave numbers that indicate he was a power source.

For all the fanfare surrounding him, when it was all over all Kirk Gibson had was that frickin' home run off Eckersley. He should've gone into football.
 
Okay, we disagree on Darryl, fair enough, my friends, how about another overrated and hyped major leaguer, whose career was marred by drugs, alcohol, and suspensions. I am talking about Darryl's good buddy, Dwight, "Dr K" Gooden. Here was a guy who came to New York in 1984, with potential labeled "unlimited". Granted, he did win at least 15 games a season in his first five seasons in the major leagues, and was hampered later on, because he played on some terrible teams with the Mets from 1991 to 1994, but.. he was also a guy who was suspended numerous times for drugs, had run ins with the law on other occasions, and, most recently, from what I heard, was let go from a job with the Yankees for again having problems with drugs. While he ended up an okay 194-112 with a 3.51 ERA, which are decent numbers. (Yes, my facts are correct, I have looked up Gooden's career record and ERA) This guy was hyped as the next "Nolan Ryan". Far from it. We thought in 1984 and 1985 that he would be a first ballot Hall of Famer. All he ended up in was the Hall of Shame for drugs.
Anyone with me on this one?

Mitch
 
Far cry from Nolan Ryan!!! I will give you that. Overrated??? I am a Mets fan so I might be a bit biase. But I never recalled Dwight Gooden being hyped up. He suddenly was on the scene. Am I disappointed with what his life amounted to? Yes. But 194 wins is nothing to sneeze at either. I do understand your point of view though. In his first two seasons he won 41 games and lost just 13. So you would have expected him to get to 300 wins. Dwight Gooden's problems were that the Mets blamed Darryl for Dwight's problems. The Mets never gave though that Dwight Gooden was not a choir boy. In fact, is going to be sentenced next month. He might get up to 5 years in a Florida prison. So though, I agree with your point of view, the fact that he was not hyped up to be anything until after he reached the majors, I will say that I don't think he was overrated. I still don't understand why Von Hayes goes under your radar though. He was traded to the Phillies for 5 players. He amounted to NOTHING. He was considered a 5 tool player. Well Phillies fans would have settled for one tool. They got nothing from this guy. A guy who is traded for 5 players produce 1402 hits for his career. Hit 143 homeruns and hit .267 for his career. Now that is overrated. In fact, Julio Franco one of the five traded for Hayes is STILL in baseball and has over 2500 career hits and is hitting .299 in his career. :shock:
 
Prior, wood, Corey Patterson, Tom gordon, Mussina,melvin mora, derek lee
 
I wasn't even thinking of Von Hayes. I do agree with you that he might have been overrated. I lived in NY until 1999, and didn't move to PA until then, so, for many years of my life, I went to Shea. I saw Gooden pitch about four times, as I recall. Once on a Sunday afternoon at the end of the 84 season, another time in his best year of 1985, when he struck out 16 on a Tuesday night against the Giants, again in 1987, when the then lowly Atlanta Braves beat him, and, ironically, the night in 1987, when he came back from his drug suspension against Pittsburgh. Back at that time, the man was awesome. I never said that 194 wins is anything to sneeze at, but the fact is, if the guy didn't mess himself up with drugs, he probably would have won 300 games, and gotten into the Hall. Pitchers with far less on their fastballs, who stayed on the straight and narrow, guys like Greg Maddux, and Tom Glavine, are certain Hall of Famers, because they just did their jobs, pitched, and didn't mess with drugs.
While Strawberry did hit a fair amount of homeruns, he too, would have had a far better career, if he didn't mess with alcohol and drugs. When I first saw him, especially with the years he had in 1987, 1988, and 1990, I thought the guy could hit at least 500-600 homers, and be the next Ted Willams. It didn't turn out that way.
My point in overrated, is that these guys, while they had some good years, were hyped as the next coming of some of the greatest hall of famers of all time, and both fell far short. They had some okay years in their prime, but weren't the hall of fame shoo ins that many thought they would be.

Mitch
 
Mitchell said:
I know he's a catcher, and seemingly hurt a lot, but my choice for this is Ivan Rodriguez. The guy is potrayed as this offensive force, and really isnt.
Retired major leaguer who was way overrated: Darryl Strawberry. He had exactly four really good seasons in New York, went to LA, had one good season, and fell apart. Everyone used to call him "The black Ted Williams" What a crock. The guy was probably the most overrated player to ever play the game.

Mitch

Mitchell

you are entitled to your opinion about pudge Rodriguez; but i strongly disagree.I have first hand knowledge of him being he was a ranger for so long and I had season tickets for the rangers for years.I saw him play 100`s of games & in my opinion he was the best all- around catcher in the history of MLB. He was one of the best clutch hitters for years and he completely shutdown the other teams running games.only catcher in majorleague history to hit 25 homeruns & 25 steals in same season.
 
I took a course called Sports & Economics where we empirically proved that Derek Jeter was overpaid for his performance. We came to the conclusion that his mere personality was what got him the big bucks, but then again, if that puts people in seats then I suppose that justifies his salary.

I'll personally say that I think Barry Bonds is overrated and likely to be a cheater as well, but as South Park commented in a recent episode, a lot of pro baseball players probably use performance enhancing drugs....
 
Mitchell said:
I wasn't even thinking of Von Hayes. I do agree with you that he might have been overrated. I lived in NY until 1999, and didn't move to PA until then, so, for many years of my life, I went to Shea. I saw Gooden pitch about four times, as I recall. Once on a Sunday afternoon at the end of the 84 season, another time in his best year of 1985, when he struck out 16 on a Tuesday night against the Giants, again in 1987, when the then lowly Atlanta Braves beat him, and, ironically, the night in 1987, when he came back from his drug suspension against Pittsburgh. Back at that time, the man was awesome. I never said that 194 wins is anything to sneeze at, but the fact is, if the guy didn't mess himself up with drugs, he probably would have won 300 games, and gotten into the Hall. Pitchers with far less on their fastballs, who stayed on the straight and narrow, guys like Greg Maddux, and Tom Glavine, are certain Hall of Famers, because they just did their jobs, pitched, and didn't mess with drugs.
While Strawberry did hit a fair amount of homeruns, he too, would have had a far better career, if he didn't mess with alcohol and drugs. When I first saw him, especially with the years he had in 1987, 1988, and 1990, I thought the guy could hit at least 500-600 homers, and be the next Ted Willams. It didn't turn out that way.
My point in overrated, is that these guys, while they had some good years, were hyped as the next coming of some of the greatest hall of famers of all time, and both fell far short. They had some okay years in their prime, but weren't the hall of fame shoo ins that many thought they would be.

Mitch
I think we are looking at a difference in words. Dwight Gooden ( who has more wins than HOF Sandy Koufax 194 - 165 ) and Darryl Strawberry had disappointing careers as opposed to being overrated. They did not fulfill potential but that doesn't make them overrated. I mean when you trade 5 players for 1 and that one is a bust that is overrated. Yet you think Von Hayes MIGHT be overrated. Let me ask you something. Would you rather have overrated Darryl Strawberry on your team or would you rather have maybe overrated Von Hayes? I know who I want. As regards to hype, did Darryl Strawberry claim he was Ted Williams or was that the media who is trying to sell newspapers. You got to be careful. And again, Dwight Gooden came out of nowhere. He was only in the minors for one season. Nobody had a clue about him. He impressed Davey Johnson. So the Mets wanted to protect him because of his age. Davey did not say he was the next Nolan Ryan ( how could he Nolan Ryan was still 9 years from retiring ). But the media then went to work again to sell papers. There is the culprit. They build these players to lofty expectations. They are allowed to be anything but the next Willie or Mickey or Nolan or Ted or Sandy. That is not what these players think they are.
 
I think G hit the nail right on the head. My sentiments about Gooden and Strawberry are that they had diasppointing careers because they never fulfilled their potential and their careers were interupted by drug suspensions and injuries. To me, an over rated player is somebody, although he puts up good numbers, there is a flaw in his game which is glaring. He is a guy I wouldn't mind pitching to during a pressure situation in a game because that person never comes through in the clutch. One way to tell if one is overated in when he gets traded to another team but doesn't hit as well because he doesn't have the protection of a slugger batting behind him so he sees less fat pitches.
 
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