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Why Baseball Needs A Salary Cap

Mitchell

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Major League Baseball clearly needs a salary cap. The discrepancy between the "Haves", and "Have Nots" is appalling.

Consider this year's winter meetings. The New York Yankees, with the owner who has to be labeled the goat for ruining the game of baseball by paying outrageous salaries, are preparing to offer lefthander CC Sabathia a $140 million dollar, six year contract. Fine, the Yankees are going to get one good pitcher to upgrade their staff. Every team should be allowed to do that, if able. Now, I read, that the Yankees also want free agent right hander AJ Burnett, who has reportedly been offered a four or five year, $15 million dollar a year deal by the Atlanta Braves. According to the article I read, the Yankees, in addition to getting Sabathia, are prepared to quote "Go higher than the $15 mil a year offered by the Braves, and "blow Burnett away with an offer that the Braves wont be able to match".

I'm sorry. While we all know this is a capitalist society, no one team should be allowed to have such an outrageous payroll, and outbid every other team, to always get the best players. There needs to be more of a level playing field in baseball. Forget the "luxury tax" that is imposed on the Yankees. That does nothing. The Yankees simply pay the tax, and maintain $200 million dollar payrolls every season anyway.

I say, level the playing field. There should be a rule in major league baseball where no one team can have a payroll of anything more than $100 million. This way, maybe salaries will come down just a little bit, and there will be a bit more discrepancy in smaller market teams getting good players. Perhaps, as a compromise, have the "salary cap" be adjusted for cost of living increases each season, like federal workers receive. Say, give the team a 3% increase allowable each year, so have a $100 mil payroll go to 103, and then 109, etc etc.

This will likely never happen, but it should. With the average person struggling so mightly nowadays, it is deplorable how much money the players earn, and what the allowed payroll of the Yankees, and the other big market teams is. The Yankees, as most fans know, are the biggest offenders.

Thoughts on this?

Mitch
 
Some players sign for less

It depends on location and what a team has

Dont blame the team for wanting the best, blame the player for taking it

Also, Bahston and the cubs and mets are right up there on payrolls yet nobody seems to care bout those, they just "gotta hate those yankees!"

Btw, cubs owners filed chapter 11 today, irony
 
Goodie, I see your point. The players are greedy, but, a salary cap should be imposed for both reasons. One, to prevent a player from wanting or receiving such an outrageous contract, and two, to prevent a club like the Yankees from being able to offer it. Everyone, from the players, to the ballclubs, need to have a reality check. Its the fans who suffer. Ticket prices and concessions at ballparks skyrocket each year, and, in this terrible economy, the average fan can hardly afford to attend a MLB game.

Mitch
 
Major League Baseball's players union is perhaps the strongest union in the United States. They hold the commissioner in a grip of fear are just thrilled to death that the Yankees, Dodgers and Red Sox can buy any players they want. As long as the players they represent get top dollar they are proud of the job they are doing and will not/cannot be stopped. Greed isn't a strong enough word and baseball will need something of a civil war to get the parity it so desperately needs. As it stands as soon as Opening Day comes you can eliminate about 95% of the teams right off the bat. And even if a low income team like the Rays does make it to the World Series no one will watch them. The only teams America cares about are the Yankees, Cubs, Dodgers, Red Sox and Cardinals. The rest of Major League Baseball are only kidding themselves and look for that gap between these 5 teams and teams like the Royals and Astros to get even wider as time goes by. :idontwann
 
Goodie, I see your point. The players are greedy, but, a salary cap should be imposed for both reasons. One, to prevent a player from wanting or receiving such an outrageous contract, and two, to prevent a club like the Yankees from being able to offer it. Everyone, from the players, to the ballclubs, need to have a reality check. Its the fans who suffer. Ticket prices and concessions at ballparks skyrocket each year, and, in this terrible economy, the average fan can hardly afford to attend a MLB game.

Mitch

And prices go up after playoff runs despite no roster moves, its how management does their business.

I always hate the "athletes are paid so much, i only make this\that"

If someone came to you and said "Hey, do you want 30,000 to do this job or do u want 2 million"
An insane person would choose 30,000

They are paying for their performance and that performance must be maintained. They play the entire summer into fall. Then after, they need to keep in shape so they can do it again later. Yes its the "offseason" but they are never really off. Also take pitchers for example, the damage they take to their arms\shoulders is extraordinary, esp for power pitchers. Now player X gets 5 million for 3 years on his contract, he gets hurt, he still gets paid, but if he gets resigned, he will get signed for less and then has to perform again on a arm that will never be the same again

Also look at the league right now, yankees dont have every good player. Every team has 1-3 studs that are known, most baseball fans can name atleast 2 or more players on each mlb franchise currently.

Also, some players simply want to win. Case in point: Greg Maddux
 
always the yankees fault....

how bout some owners try and take the money they make and put it back into the team?
 
Goodie, I see your point, but let me ask you. How bad do these guys have it? Spring training a month a year, probably the only time they put in full days. Short workouts, maybe, before a game. They play three hours a night. Yes, on the road 81 nights a year, but, stay in five star hotels, get meal money on the road, plus perks, like money and dinners for appearing on pre and post game shows, and free drinks and meals in bars.

Curt, you do have a point. The owners should put more money back into payrolls on certain teams,. but, the Yankees have set the pace with an outrageous team payroll. I do think there should be some discrepancy, and, to be fair, the Yankees charge the highest ticket prices in the league. Maybe some owners can't afford to put back as much money into their teams as the Yankees can. The Yankees have their own TV network, plus incredible revenues, from advertising, and their new stadium. Other teams dont have that. This is why I feel there should be more balanced revenue sharing in baseball, and yes, a salary cap.

Mitch
 
Major League Baseball clearly needs a salary cap. The discrepancy between the "Haves", and "Have Nots" is appalling.

Consider this year's winter meetings. The New York Yankees, with the owner who has to be labeled the goat for ruining the game of baseball by paying outrageous salaries, are preparing to offer lefthander CC Sabathia a $140 million dollar, six year contract. Fine, the Yankees are going to get one good pitcher to upgrade their staff. Every team should be allowed to do that, if able. Now, I read, that the Yankees also want free agent right hander AJ Burnett, who has reportedly been offered a four or five year, $15 million dollar a year deal by the Atlanta Braves. According to the article I read, the Yankees, in addition to getting Sabathia, are prepared to quote "Go higher than the $15 mil a year offered by the Braves, and "blow Burnett away with an offer that the Braves wont be able to match".

I'm sorry. While we all know this is a capitalist society, no one team should be allowed to have such an outrageous payroll, and outbid every other team, to always get the best players. There needs to be more of a level playing field in baseball. Forget the "luxury tax" that is imposed on the Yankees. That does nothing. The Yankees simply pay the tax, and maintain $200 million dollar payrolls every season anyway.

I say, level the playing field. There should be a rule in major league baseball where no one team can have a payroll of anything more than $100 million. This way, maybe salaries will come down just a little bit, and there will be a bit more discrepancy in smaller market teams getting good players. Perhaps, as a compromise, have the "salary cap" be adjusted for cost of living increases each season, like federal workers receive. Say, give the team a 3% increase allowable each year, so have a $100 mil payroll go to 103, and then 109, etc etc.

This will likely never happen, but it should. With the average person struggling so mightly nowadays, it is deplorable how much money the players earn, and what the allowed payroll of the Yankees, and the other big market teams is. The Yankees, as most fans know, are the biggest offenders.

Thoughts on this?

Mitch
While I agree with you and I do. It just simply will not happen. Tell the players union that there is a salary cap. Then they get to say yeah or neah. Do you REALLY think that the players union would approve a salary cap??? That would limit how much they can make.

Using your theory you have $100,000,000 salary cap, that means you have 25 players on a team which means players will average $4,000,000 per year. Do think the players would like that???

I mean .500 winning percentage pitchers are making $10,000,000 a season. I agree with you. Salaries are out of hand. But a salary cap would NEVER be approved by the players union. Not to mention the agents like that blowhard jackass Scott Boras would end up taking a paycut because his players would have to settle for much less.

Besides, let me tell you, you need not be disappointed that A.J. Burnett signs with the Yankees. Though Burnett is not exactly Mike Hampton or Carl Pavano he will not earn his money. He has pitched 10 seasons and has thrown 200 innings only 3 times in his career. Two of those three years were in walk years of his contract. You sign Burnett and you might actually see him pitch a FULL season in 2012 or 2013 depending on the length of the contract. He is NOT worth it Mitchell. You guys are better off taking the money you would offer Burnett add 5 or 6 million to it and go after Sabathia. You offer him 21 mill over a 6 year contract he would sign with you guys because he wants to stay in the NL.

That is my 2 cents worth. Think about it Mitchell.
 
4u, thanks for the analysis, my friend. You make excellent points. I will say that upon reading your numbers, I agree with you. None of these players will want to have a cap where they can make only 4 mil on average, They are too greedy.

Now, to your point about Sabathia and Burnett. The Braves are expected to have a 100 million dollar payroll in 2009. At least 15 mil of that is going to Chipper Jones, plus another 11 mil to the disabled Tim Hudson. It is unknown what will happen with Smoltz and Glavine. While in theory, the Braves might be able to afford 21 mil for Sabathia, I dont see them doing this. After what happened with Mike Hampton, and the horrible investment he was, I dont see them committing more than 15 mil over 4 yrs to anyone, and that might be stretching it.

I see Sabathia ending up with either the Yankees, or maybe, the Dodgers. I dont know if the Phillies will take the risk, and your Mets already have Johan for big money over a lot of years, 4u. I dont know if they will commit big bucks to a second big name pitcher. Plus, with Wagner out all of 2009, the Mets need a closer.

I say, Yankees or Dodgers win the Sabathia sweepstakes.

Mitch
 
4u, thanks for the analysis, my friend. You make excellent points. I will say that upon reading your numbers, I agree with you. None of these players will want to have a cap where they can make only 4 mil on average, They are too greedy.

Now, to your point about Sabathia and Burnett. The Braves are expected to have a 100 million dollar payroll in 2009. At least 15 mil of that is going to Chipper Jones, plus another 11 mil to the disabled Tim Hudson. It is unknown what will happen with Smoltz and Glavine. While in theory, the Braves might be able to afford 21 mil for Sabathia, I dont see them doing this. After what happened with Mike Hampton, and the horrible investment he was, I dont see them committing more than 15 mil over 4 yrs to anyone, and that might be stretching it.

I see Sabathia ending up with either the Yankees, or maybe, the Dodgers. I dont know if the Phillies will take the risk, and your Mets already have Johan for big money over a lot of years, 4u. I dont know if they will commit big bucks to a second big name pitcher. Plus, with Wagner out all of 2009, the Mets need a closer.

I say, Yankees or Dodgers win the Sabathia sweepstakes.

Mitch
I really see Sabathia landing with a National League team for less money because he wants to be in the National League. The Yankees would have to offer him a 7 year contract worth $210,000,000 for him to return to the American League. And I know the Yankees could afford that but do they REALLY want to do that??? I am not sure even the Yankees would do that.
 
Your theroetical number of 7 years, 210 mil might be what it would take for CC to go to the Yankees. As for whether they would want to do that, it really depends. That is a huge amount of money, and years, to risk for a pitcher, in the event of injury.

You mentioned CC ending up with a National League team for less money. It could well be that CC might end up getting something like a four year, 100 to 120 mil contract, with, say, the Dodgers. $25 to $30 mil a year, for a guy who pitches every fifth day, is a truckload of money. It will be very interesting to see where CC ends up.

Mitch
 
I really see Sabathia landing with a National League team for less money because he wants to be in the National League. The Yankees would have to offer him a 7 year contract worth $210,000,000 for him to return to the American League. And I know the Yankees could afford that but do they REALLY want to do that??? I am not sure even the Yankees would do that.

Dodgers have come into play for Sabathia. He really wants to play in California; being in California TRUMPS wanting to be in National League. He already admitted that yesterday to a reporter in Vegas .
 
Goodie, I see your point, but let me ask you. How bad do these guys have it? Spring training a month a year, probably the only time they put in full days. Short workouts, maybe, before a game. They play three hours a night. Yes, on the road 81 nights a year, but, stay in five star hotels, get meal money on the road, plus perks, like money and dinners for appearing on pre and post game shows, and free drinks and meals in bars.

Curt, you do have a point. The owners should put more money back into payrolls on certain teams,. but, the Yankees have set the pace with an outrageous team payroll. I do think there should be some discrepancy, and, to be fair, the Yankees charge the highest ticket prices in the league. Maybe some owners can't afford to put back as much money into their teams as the Yankees can. The Yankees have their own TV network, plus incredible revenues, from advertising, and their new stadium. Other teams dont have that. This is why I feel there should be more balanced revenue sharing in baseball, and yes, a salary cap.

Mitch

One month of spring training will not make mud into clay. They need to be actively at it working their bodies in the off season to stay in shape

Hence why babe ruth had issues with management because he would drink\go psycho every off season and come to spring training 30 lbs overweight
 
Salary cap would also lower the starting salaries for draft picks and avoid situations like JD Drew and Pedro Alvarez.

I agree that MLB should have a Salary Cap.

100 million sounds about right.

If you can't win a title with that, then you're just inept.

I also think there should be a minimum. Not a HIGH minimum, but a minimum none the less. (I'm thinking 30-35 mil).
 
Salary cap would also lower the starting salaries for draft picks and avoid situations like JD Drew and Pedro Alvarez.

I agree that MLB should have a Salary Cap.

100 million sounds about right.

If you can't win a title with that, then you're just inept.

I also think there should be a minimum. Not a HIGH minimum, but a minimum none the less. (I'm thinking 30-35 mil).

You will still have teams operate at the minumum.

Also, if there is a cap, it still doesnt mean KC or other small teams will get the top talent

Also, they still get great talent in drafts since their records are as bad as they are. There is a reason the cubs got guys like prior and wood. They lost over 100 twice in a decade
 
You will still have teams operate at the minumum.

Also, if there is a cap, it still doesnt mean KC or other small teams will get the top talent

Also, they still get great talent in drafts since their records are as bad as they are. There is a reason the cubs got guys like prior and wood. They lost over 100 twice in a decade

I'm not disputing any of that.

I'd just like to avoid prima-donna rookies from crippling smaller-market teams and/or firesales like the 1998/99 ans post 2003 Marlins.

When rookies have loopholes to get out of playing for smaller-market teams and then drive their price up, it helps only the large market teams who can afford them.

For every Minny Twins/Oakland A's there are the Royals and Pirates.

For every Royals/Pirates there are even more Yankees, Sox, Mets, M's, Cubs, Braves, Dodgers, Tigers...

The rich get richer 90% of the time.

Having a salary cap and base minimum insures balance within the league (on the rookie and veteran level), just like the NFL where the GM and drafting means EVERYTHING (hence the sad state of the Lions) whereas Free Agency is hit or miss at best.

In baseball, Trades and Free Agency builds [consistent] title contenders (in recent years), not the draft.
 
I'm not disputing any of that.

I'd just like to avoid prima-donna rookies from crippling smaller-market teams and/or firesales like the 1998/99 ans post 2003 Marlins.

When rookies have loopholes to get out of playing for smaller-market teams and then drive their price up, it helps only the large market teams who can afford them.

For every Minny Twins/Oakland A's there are the Royals and Pirates.

For every Royals/Pirates there are even more Yankees, Sox, Mets, M's, Cubs, Braves, Dodgers, Tigers...

The rich get richer 90% of the time.

Having a salary cap and base minimum insures balance within the league (on the rookie and veteran level), just like the NFL where the GM and drafting means EVERYTHING (hence the sad state of the Lions) whereas Free Agency is hit or miss at best.

In baseball, Trades and Free Agency builds [consistent] title contenders (in recent years), not the draft.

Football has a salary cap too and you still have rookies who get a shit ton of money and massive signing bonuses, so dont think a cap will prevent this.
The twins are low salary because Billy Beane is a creative genius\psycho. Also, even with a big payroll doesnt mean you will be good. Look at the mets several years ago or detroit this year

Drafting is key in baseball as well, the only difference is nfl drafts brings in pro level players. 99% of MLB draftees are not pro level yet and are developed thru the minors. Oakland became a very solid team in the mid to late 90s BECAUSE of their drafting and key pitching. Tampa Bay this year was a playoff team BECAUSE of their horrible records and draft picks. This year anahiem tried to buy a title and they lost
 
I think a salary cap is in order for the MLB, but I don't think it will work because teams try to buy titles in other sports (Jerry Jones) but I agree with you 100%
 
I think a salary cap is in order for the MLB, but I don't think it will work because teams try to buy titles in other sports (Jerry Jones) but I agree with you 100%

Name the last mlb team that bought a title
 
Name the last mlb team that bought a title

Red Sox
Yankees

Plenty of others try, wheter or not they succeed; they're thinning out the talent and turning baseball into haves and have-nots.

I blame the inept teams just as much as the greedy ones.
 
Red Sox
Yankees

Plenty of others try, wheter or not they succeed; they're thinning out the talent and turning baseball into haves and have-nots.

I blame the inept teams just as much as the greedy ones.

Yankees havent won a title since 2000, since then they massively bought talent and failed

RedSox had alot of home grown talent as well to buying stars but hell, they also let studs go away as well. Red Sox still did not outbid all teams. Hell, the Braves have been buyers until a few years ago, last world series,95
 
The real problem is the small market teams. They have a good young player from it`s farm-system, he plays a couple of years and the team realizes it can`t afford to pay him. So they trade him to the Yankees, Red Sox, or cubs for some ''blue chip '' prospects. If one of these prospects is as good as advertised , they trade him for more prospects. It is a vicious circle, the A`s are the perfect example of trading young talent for younger cheaper prospects.


Teams like the A`s, Royals, Pirates, Marlins and Reds have become ''farm teams'' for the Yankees, Mets, Angels, Braves, Red Sox, and Cubs
 
The real problem is the small market teams. They have a good young player from it`s farm-system, he plays a couple of years and the team realizes it can`t afford to pay him. So they trade him to the Yankees, Red Sox, or cubs for some ''blue chip '' prospects. If one of these prospects is as good as advertised , they trade him for more prospects. It is a vicious circle, the A`s are the perfect example of trading young talent for younger cheaper prospects.


Teams like the A`s, Royals, Pirates, Marlins and Reds have become ''farm teams'' for the Yankees, Mets, Angels, Braves, Red Sox, and Cubs

Do not lump the A's into that

Billy Beane is just crazy and a genius when it comes to salary and his team.
As for competing, right now the Nats, a low payroll team, are in the running for Manny

The twins are a "small market" team yet they arent farmed like you say and developed and made playoff runs in what was a competitive division. Seattle was another team

You are just looking at low payroll teams and calling them farm teams. For the longest time TB was called the Yankees farm system or a AAAA ball club yet they made a run with all the talent they stockpiled. The marlins have won several titles with their small market team and payroll. They chose to firesale because thats how they operate. You got a big market team like the Giants yet they have gone nowhere. Same for the Rangers and for a while the rangers were a top payroll team(chan ho park\arod days)

This is also why scouting has become a talent now, esp with foreign talent.

White sox for example, they pretty much suceeded so far on every foreign scouted player they brought in (shingo his first year, tadahito iguchi and roy runner up alexei ramirez) and right now again they signed another cuban who is proclaimed as the cuban babe ruth.

But for throwing money at players, you dont think every team has thrown peddle carts of money at pujols or lance berkman yet they have remained in their respective cities
 
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