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Why Baseball Needs A Salary Cap

The real problem is the small market teams. They have a good young player from it`s farm-system, he plays a couple of years and the team realizes it can`t afford to pay him. So they trade him to the Yankees, Red Sox, or cubs for some ''blue chip '' prospects. If one of these prospects is as good as advertised , they trade him for more prospects. It is a vicious circle, the A`s are the perfect example of trading young talent for younger cheaper prospects.


Teams like the A`s, Royals, Pirates, Marlins and Reds have become ''farm teams'' for the Yankees, Mets, Angels, Braves, Red Sox, and Cubs

Exactly.

Johnny Damon, Jason Giambi, Jason Bay, Josh Beckett, Mike Lowell, Carlos Beltran, Dontrelle, Cabrera, Brian Giles, Pedro, Vladdy...

I could probably think of more if I had the time.

If there was a cap, teams couldn't sign free agents to lucrative contracts as their main means of success, nor could they trade for big-profile stars and then sign them.

In the NBA trades happen all the time, but they are usually 'rental' players.

Then one of two things happens:

1. The Start FA goes to a team that CAN afford them.

2. He signs with the team that traded for him, forcing the team to drastically alter their roster.

Without a cap any MLB can stack their team through unfair trades just as easy as Free Agency.
 
Do not lump the A's into that

Billy Beane is just crazy and a genius when it comes to salary and his team.
As for competing, right now the Nats, a low payroll team, are in the running for Manny

The twins are a "small market" team yet they arent farmed like you say and developed and made playoff runs in what was a competitive division. Seattle was another team

You are just looking at low payroll teams and calling them farm teams. For the longest time TB was called the Yankees farm system or a AAAA ball club yet they made a run with all the talent they stockpiled. The marlins have won several titles with their small market team and payroll. They chose to firesale because thats how they operate. You got a big market team like the Giants yet they have gone nowhere. Same for the Rangers and for a while the rangers were a top payroll team(chan ho park\arod days)

This is also why scouting has become a talent now, esp with foreign talent.

White sox for example, they pretty much suceeded so far on every foreign scouted player they brought in (shingo his first year, tadahito iguchi and roy runner up alexei ramirez) and right now again they signed another cuban who is proclaimed as the cuban babe ruth.

But for throwing money at players, you dont think every team has thrown peddle carts of money at pujols or lance berkman yet they have remained in their respective cities

I am a big Rangers fan, so I see what goes on for the A`s. They are the poster child of what I am talking about. they got rid of the big 3 before they became really expensive, Giambi, now huston street, dan haren, rich Harden and they play in a football stadium

The twins got rid of Santana because they could not afford him. they got rid of torii Hunter because they could not afford him. After Marlins won they GUTTED both teams because they knew they couldn`t afford to keep it together
 
I`m not sure a hard salary cap will work, but this is a train wreck that needs to be fixed. Yes, teams that draft well can have success every so many years. Marlins, Rays, Twins, A`s and Rockies are good examples, but end up losing their star players when they are arbitration eligible. Going into spring training 2009, nearly half the teams have absolutely no chance of reaching the postseason. Thats not good for the game. And I`m afraid the New York teams are going to make the situation even worse since they are moving into new parks. The new Yankee Stadium was built for a record 1.3 billion dollars. A regular field box seat ticket will cost $250, while premium box seats cost $2500 per game. All are sold out for 2009. Luxury suites range from $650,000 to $800,000 per season, and all that remains unsold are a few suites located down the baselines. The Mets are moving into Citi Field, which was built at a discounted price of 800 million.🙄 Box seats will average $495 a pop. There are 49 luxury suites ranging from $275,000 to $500,000 per season, and all are sold out. And to think, this country is in the worst recession since the great depression!!!:rant:

I`ve lived in St. Louis all my life, and am a die hard Cardinals fan. In their proud history they`ve won 10 World Series titles. But I wonder if I`ll live to see another one under the present climate. In order to make a profit, the Cardinals owners claim they can`t exceed much over a one hundred million dollar payroll. That puts them in the upper middle of the pack. They play in a three year old park which was built at a cost of 360 million dollars. They sell out nearly every game, and have squeezed the taxayers to the max. I rarely go to games anymore, unless I get free tickets because its simply too expensive. For the most part, in order for the Cardinals to win they will have to get better at developing their own talent via the draft or get lucky in trades.

Attending a baseball game with your family used to be such a fun and inexpensive event, but now if you take a family of four to a game you practically have to spend half your weekly paycheck just for upper deck seats. I can`t blame the Yankee`s, Mets, Red Sox and to a smaller degree, the Cubs for spending the money they do on player salaries. I used to travel to Chicago nearly every year to attend a Cards-Cubs game. Wrigley Field is not the cash cow that the new stadiums are with luxury suites, etc. What they have done is start their own ticket brokerage firm. Outside of season ticket holders, very few single game seats are available to the general public. They have scalpers outside of Wrigley selling tickets at greatly inflated prices. As long as fans are willing to foot the bill, the problems are only going to get worse.
 
Also lets look at the twins again

Joe mauer is the best young catcher in the game and has the best swing in the game, you dont think EVERY team would want him? Yet he signed a 4 yr deal with the twins in 07 instead of going elsewhere

Just because teams throw money dont mean they will get the players

Look at what money got detroit and the yankees the last few years

Everyone assumed anahiem would be in the world series this year

Hell, Anahiem has vlad, any team would want him. You dont think the Yankees or redsox could make him the most expensive player in the league?
 
I`m not sure a hard salary cap will work, but this is a train wreck that needs to be fixed. Yes, teams that draft well can have success every so many years. Marlins, Rays, Twins, A`s and Rockies are good examples, but end up losing their star players when they are arbitration eligible. Going into spring training 2009, nearly half the teams have absolutely no chance of reaching the postseason. Thats not good for the game. And I`m afraid the New York teams are going to make the situation even worse since they are moving into new parks. The new Yankee Stadium was built for a record 1.3 billion dollars. A regular field box seat ticket will cost $250, while premium box seats cost $2500 per game. All are sold out for 2009. Luxury suites range from $650,000 to $800,000 per season, and all that remains unsold are a few suites located down the baselines. The Mets are moving into Citi Field, which was built at a discounted price of 800 million.🙄 Box seats will average $495 a pop. There are 49 luxury suites ranging from $275,000 to $500,000 per season, and all are sold out. And to think, this country is in the worst recession since the great depression!!!:rant:

I`ve lived in St. Louis all my life, and am a die hard Cardinals fan. In their proud history they`ve won 10 World Series titles. But I wonder if I`ll live to see another one under the present climate. In order to make a profit, the Cardinals owners claim they can`t exceed much over a one hundred million dollar payroll. That puts them in the upper middle of the pack. They play in a three year old park which was built at a cost of 360 million dollars. They sell out nearly every game, and have squeezed the taxayers to the max. I rarely go to games anymore, unless I get free tickets because its simply too expensive. For the most part, in order for the Cardinals to win they will have to get better at developing their own talent via the draft or get lucky in trades.

Attending a baseball game with your family used to be such a fun and inexpensive event, but now if you take a family of four to a game you practically have to spend half your weekly paycheck just for upper deck seats. I can`t blame the Yankee`s, Mets, Red Sox and to a smaller degree, the Cubs for spending the money they do on player salaries. I used to travel to Chicago nearly every year to attend a Cards-Cubs game. Wrigley Field is not the cash cow that the new stadiums are with luxury suites, etc. What they have done is start their own ticket brokerage firm. Outside of season ticket holders, very few single game seats are available to the general public. They have scalpers outside of Wrigley selling tickets at greatly inflated prices. As long as fans are willing to foot the bill, the problems are only going to get worse.

:shrug: i can sit upperdeck at a sox game for 12-20 dollars
 
:shrug: i can sit upperdeck at a sox game for 12-20 dollars

You are correct, sir. I attended my first Sox game last summer when I visited Chicago. Got a field box seat for $45. Had a great time.:cool2: As to the Twins, You are right in that they opened the vault to a degree to sign Joe Mauer. But they can only afford to do that with a few players, unlike the big market teams who are throwing money around like candy this winter. My complaint is the gap between big and small revenue generating teams is growing. Mitchell is correct. AJ Burnett would have been a huge addition for the mid market Braves, but I knew they would come up short with their offer.
 
Also lets look at the twins again

Joe mauer is the best young catcher in the game and has the best swing in the game, you dont think EVERY team would want him? Yet he signed a 4 yr deal with the twins in 07 instead of going elsewhere

Just because teams throw money dont mean they will get the players

Look at what money got detroit and the yankees the last few years

Everyone assumed anahiem would be in the world series this year

Hell, Anahiem has vlad, any team would want him. You dont think the Yankees or redsox could make him the most expensive player in the league?

okay

lets look at the twins again. Do you ever think anybody in their right mind would want to trade a Santana who is just now entering his prime? The twins knew that he would go to free agency in 09 and they also knew they HAD NO CHANCE to resign him because of teams with rich pockets like the Mets or yankees or red sox. teams like the Yankees can OVERSPEND on players and know that teams like the Twins or Royals can`t match because of limited income and resources

Sabathia is another perfect example. Brewers really wanted to resign him but Yankees could offer a contract that Sabathia couldn`t refuse.

Burnett is another guy that the Yankees WAY OVERPAID to get but they knew they could.
 
i'm sorry that is BS i think they should get paid 20,000 a year like every other american and get people who play the game for the love of it. i make 10 plus an hour and i can get hurt more eaisly in a kitchen or burned to the point of not being able to work. if i got hurt very badly i would have to manage with the little money i would get. why can't a pro player deal with it the same way everyone else does if he might get a injury that takes them out of the game for good. i don't have millions to back me up in case i get hurt in a kitchen badly so why should they just cause they can swing a bat pass a ball. just my 2 cents i love nascar and even they are starting to seem greedy... later kyle
 
Well, the Yankees have just shown why there needs to be a salary cap. Not only did they sign Sabathia to the mega deal, but they just signed AJ Burnett to a five year, 85 million dollar contract. That is over 200 million dollars committed to just two pitchers over five years, not counting guys like Wang, and Pettite, et al. No one team should be allowed to corner the market on every single high priced good player available.

Of course I'm ticked that my Braves didnt get Burnett, but I would say what I am even if Atlanta wasnt after Burnett. There needs to be balance in baseball, and some sanity brought back to the game. Teams like the Yankees should not be allowed to do what they do. George Steinbrenner has ruined baseball for thirty years with his out of control spending, and it will only likely get worse as time goes on, unless a salary cap is implemented.

Mitch
 
i'm sorry that is BS i think they should get paid 20,000 a year like every other american and get people who play the game for the love of it. i make 10 plus an hour and i can get hurt more eaisly in a kitchen or burned to the point of not being able to work. if i got hurt very badly i would have to manage with the little money i would get. why can't a pro player deal with it the same way everyone else does if he might get a injury that takes them out of the game for good. i don't have millions to back me up in case i get hurt in a kitchen badly so why should they just cause they can swing a bat pass a ball. just my 2 cents i love nascar and even they are starting to seem greedy... later kyle

Throw a ball 100 mph or hit a baseball 400 feet for 162 games and then do that the next 20 yrs

That is why they make more than you
 
Throw a ball 100 mph or hit a baseball 400 feet for 162 games and then do that the next 20 yrs

That is why they make more than you

I don't know of one pitcher that throws 100 mph for 162 games or hits a ball 400 feet for 162 games. I agree with Kyle the numbers don't justify the numbers they make. It is not like they are curing cancer. If they were then the numbers would be justified.
 
I don't know of one pitcher that throws 100 mph for 162 games or hits a ball 400 feet for 162 games. I agree with Kyle the numbers don't justify the numbers they make. It is not like they are curing cancer. If they were then the numbers would be justified.

Yes but the public has spoken that they are justified in making those outrageous salaries by supporting them with ticket sales and merchandise. In fact I believe that many sports fans would rather have A-Rod make the money he makes instead of some guy that cured cancer (unless they themselves had cancer). At least in the USA. If they were so outraged by the salaries all they would have to do is ignore the sport until they came down to reality. Also about the salary cap being lowered? It's simply not gonna happen unless you totally dismantle the players union which would take a civil war in the sport pretty much. The players union is the most powerful union in America and holds the sport in an iron grip to which they will never voluntarily release. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and that's the problem when you see guys like Scott Boras. Admit it, if you were a player wouldn't you want Boras as your agent? Or would you willingly forsake millions of dollars "for the good of the sport"? Same thing up above when one of you gentlemen mentioned what man in his right mind would choose to make 30 grand a year over millions of dollars? Baseball is capitalism at it's finest and you're seeing around this country that capitalism and unions are beginning to falter and need charity from the government to survive. :flapflap:
 
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