World Series Home Field Advantage, And All Star Game

[Mitchell]

What are forum members feelings about the World Series home field advantage being determined by who wins the All Star Game? Personally, I've never liked it. I always liked the alternating way they used to have in the 1980s, where the NL and AL alternated home field advantage each year. Or, they should determine home field advantage for the World Series the way they do for the Division Series and LCS, and the NBA Finals, by which team has the better record. Look at the NBA Finals this year: The Lakers having a better record, and home court advantage, made a difference, as they won Games Six and Seven on their home court. It just seems to me that since the All Star Game is nothing more than an exhibition, it should not determine the fate of something as important as World Series home field, which, while not always a deciding factor in who wins the World Series, has come into play in certain years.

Thoughts on this?

Mitch

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

What are forum members feelings about the World Series home field advantage being determined by who wins the All Star Game? Personally, I've never liked it. I always liked the alternating way they used to have in the 1980s, where the NL and AL alternated home field advantage each year. Or, they should determine home field advantage for the World Series the way they do for the Division Series and LCS, and the NBA Finals, by which team has the better record. Look at the NBA Finals this year: The Lakers having a better record, and home court advantage, made a difference, as they won Games Six and Seven on their home court. It just seems to me that since the All Star Game is nothing more than an exhibition, it should not determine the fate of something as important as World Series home field, which, while not always a deciding factor in who wins the World Series, has come into play in certain years.

Thoughts on this?

Mitch

Bud Selig is a moron and an idiot. And those are his good points.

Of course an exhibition game should NEVER decision something so important as home field advantage. But this is Bud Selig's decision. Like I said, he is a moron and an idiot.

 

[milagros317]

The eventual World Series participants may have had very few players in the All-Star Game, so it is absurd to have its outcome determine home field advantage. There was nothing wrong with the old system, simply alternating the home field advantage.

 

[ma1926]

I think it's absolutely idiotic that a game that is played strictly for the fans is used to determine what one team from each league gets home field advantage. First off, the All Star game is a joke in some respects. Players that are performing the best in their leagues may not even get the start if the fans vote for someone else instead. Case point, mark teixeira, who is definitely NOT having an all star year is leading the vote getters for first base. Kevin Youkilus, who is having an all star year should be leading vote getters at first base because he is playing like he deserves the start. Anything where fans put the players on the roster should NOT determine who gets home field advantage in the world series.

 

[ma1926]

On another note though, unlike most other sports, home field advantage doesn't really have the same effect in Baseball. It just isn't nearly as effective on players and teams in baseball as it is in physical adrenaline sports that the more pumped up you get the harder you'll play. Baseball is a strategy sport that isn't played balls to the wall hard with adrenaline flying at an all time high. So I honestly just don't even think it matters who has home field, although it is still stupid that the all star game decides.

 

[Mitchell]

4u, I agree with you. Selig is a moron who should never have been made commissioner.

mils, I agree with you too. I thought the alternating home field advantage was very fair. This way, each league had the extra game at home every other year.

I really hope they change the way they determine WS home field advantage at some point. The system now is stupid.

Mitch

 

[SamuelKhan]

Samuel Khan, Baseball Commissioner

As baseball commissioner I would rule:

No more interleague play. Both American and National Leagues' integrity would be restored. The ONLY two times they meet would be at the All-Star Game and World Series. American League would have home field in odd years, NL in even. That's it.

One standings table for each league, first place wins the pennant, second place is done for the season. In the 1950's and 60's, the pennant race during September WAS the playoffs. The first place team was in fact the best team in the League, hands down. No wildcard, no divisional playoffs...nobody cares.
The splitting into two divisions per league in 1969 did make it more exciting with the LCS coming into play. But when the well was tainted with interleague play and the divisional series, which is misnamed, fans lost interest.

Pete Rose is still banned from baseball. Fuck him.
Bud Selig would be banned from all ball parks and the Hall of Fame. Fuck him running.
ESPN and FOX can no longer cover baseball.
NBC and ABC would get it back.

In addition to bringing back Game of the Week on NBC, Saturday Morning Cartoons should also come back. Reruns, new...I don't care.

This worked before...why can't it work again?

 

[Mitchell]

Samuel, I agree with a lot of what you said, but, I don't agree with the part about the wild card. I think the wild card is good for baseball, and not just because my Braves might win it this year. It has served to stimulate fan interest later into the season, in the case where maybe a team is far behind in the division race, but very much alive in the wild card. The division series doesn't bother me much either. Interleague play I can take or leave. It wasn't terribly exciting to think of the Braves playing the Kansas City Royals this weekend, even though they played some good games.

Mitch

 

[AmishTickler]

I've never heard one person say that determining World Series home field advantage by who wins with All Star Game is a good idea. Not one person. That alone should kind of make you scratch your head and wonder why they are still doing so. It's a completely idiotic concept. Hypothetically, you could have a member of the Kansas City Royals facing a member of the Pittsburgh Pirates to determine home field advantage of the World Series. Ummm, hello. That's almost as ludicrous as allowing the All Star Game to end in a tie. That could never happen, right? Uhhh, wait. OK, never mind. Bud must go. Bud must go. Bud must go.

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

As baseball commissioner I would rule:

No more interleague play. Both American and National Leagues' integrity would be restored. The ONLY two times they meet would be at the All-Star Game and World Series. American League would have home field in odd years, NL in even. That's it.

One standings table for each league, first place wins the pennant, second place is done for the season. In the 1950's and 60's, the pennant race during September WAS the playoffs. The first place team was in fact the best team in the League, hands down. No wildcard, no divisional playoffs...nobody cares.
The splitting into two divisions per league in 1969 did make it more exciting with the LCS coming into play. But when the well was tainted with interleague play and the divisional series, which is misnamed, fans lost interest.

Pete Rose is still banned from baseball. Fuck him.
Bud Selig would be banned from all ball parks and the Hall of Fame. Fuck him running.
ESPN and FOX can no longer cover baseball.
NBC and ABC would get it back.

In addition to bringing back Game of the Week on NBC, Saturday Morning Cartoons should also come back. Reruns, new...I don't care.

This worked before...why can't it work again?

A man after my own heart. I would keep the Wild Card though originally I was lukewarm on the idea.

I do think that fans believe if it is September and they are in 4th place in the Wild Card standings but are 4 games out with 15 to play there is still a realistic possibility of being in the postseason. That is not a terrible thing.

Also, let's ditch the damn DH thing. Get rid of the DH and add three extra roster spots to appease the Union.

Also, as a Commissioner, tell the players and the Union there will be a salary cap implimented. The ceiling would be $130,000,000 and where there is a ceil there must be a floor for the Owners to follow as well. That floor would be $75,000,000.


Now virtually everything would be fair and balanced.

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

4u, I agree with you. Selig is a moron who should never have been made commissioner.

mils, I agree with you too. I thought the alternating home field advantage was very fair. This way, each league had the extra game at home every other year.

I really hope they change the way they determine WS home field advantage at some point. The system now is stupid.

Mitch

You National League fans are just sore because you haven't won an All-Star game since since Calvin Coolidge was President

 

[storm7400]

Frankly the reason home field advantage being determined by the winner was a decision implemented to appease and placate fan's ire over the tie oh those years ago.

It was a moronic decision much like one's instinct response to throw water on a grease fire. It made things worse........

Look as a fan I enjoy the All-Star game in theory because it rewards individual's performances through half the season, but thats just one of various flaws with the game.

Why do guy's get rewarded for only half a season?

Doesn't this discredit second half performance, which IMO is more important overall?

Players bail on the game almost as much as NFL players do on the Pro Bowl. Why should I care about filling players bonus clauses? If my Orioles, please hold the laughter, were in the playoff hunt I wouldn't want them risking injury in a meaningless game and would much rather them have some rest for the stretch drive.

All teams get a player representative. Are you kidding me? No Oriole should be there, just an example to prove my point so I just used my team again.



I could keep going with flaws in the system, but alas its pointless. Bud Selig is determined to undermine this great game, along with a number of unnamed owners. That being said, more times then not in baseball the best team wins the Series. So again I don't see anything being changed in baseball decisions.

 

[milagros317]

You National League fans are just sore because you haven't won an All-Star game since since Calvin Coolidge was President

Actually, the last three NL victories were in 1994, 1995, and 1996. The President at that time was Bill Clinton.

 

[ma1926]

I think the fact that the All Star came determines who gets home field advantage just goes to show just how little home field advantage means in baseball. It is not an adrenaline sport that you will suddenly play harder because fans are getting loud. In baseball the only time fans get behind you is if the pitcher has two strikes on the batter with two outs in the inning.

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

You National League fans are just sore because you haven't won an All-Star game since since Calvin Coolidge was President

Wow! Coming from a guy who is a Rangers fan! But you aren't sore, are you? Get rid of the DH and lets get back to playing REAL baseball! Until then, the American League isn't real baseball. Let's get your pitchers to hit and see how good the AL really is.

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

Wow! Coming from a guy who is a Rangers fan! But you aren't sore, are you? Get rid of the DH and lets get back to playing REAL baseball! Until then, the American League isn't real baseball. Let's get your pitchers to hit and see how good the AL really is.

Tell you what smart guy...lol

lets do better than that . Why don`t we go back to when baseball was invented and play by those rules. That would be the only REAL baseball for a purist such as yourself. Or more likely, you are a purist who likes to pick and choose .


one more thing . from 1903 through 1972 where there was no DH , the American League won 42 World series and the National league won 27 .

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Tell you what smart guy...lol

lets do better than that . Why don`t we go back to when baseball was invented and play by those rules. That would be the only REAL baseball for a purist such as yourself. Or more likely, you are a purist who likes to pick and choose .


one more thing . from 1903 through 1972 where there was no DH , the American League won 42 World series and the National league won 27 .

Proving that we DO NOT need the DH!

 

[storm7400]

Proving that we DO NOT need the DH!

Quite to the contrary, pitchers are they're to PITCH not hit. Hence the term PITCHer 😀

 

[grizzly adams]

Proving that we DO NOT need the DH!

FlockofSeagulls totally dissed you on the subject and then you come back with something that makes no sense.

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Quite to the contrary, pitchers are they're to PITCH not hit. Hence the term PITCHer 😀

So what was Babe Ruth? Wasn't he a PITCHer? What was Don Drysdale? Wasn't he a PITCHer? How come they were such good HITTERS if they were only PITCHers? American pitchers and hitters that don't play the field only play half the game. When the game came along you were suppose to play offense and defense. They play offense and defense in basketball and hockey. Are Basketball and hockey players better athletes? Is that what you are conceding?

As far as you are concerned Grizzley Adams: Please give me Webster's Dictionary for what dissed means. Because last I knew that was not a word.


And what I said makes sense to thoses that understand english. Which apparently someone who uses terms that is not in the dictionary just wouldn't understand.

 

[grizzly adams]

So what was Babe Ruth? Wasn't he a PITCHer? What was Don Drysdale? Wasn't he a PITCHer? How come they were such good HITTERS if they were only PITCHers? American pitchers and hitters that don't play the field only play half the game. When the game came along you were suppose to play offense and defense. They play offense and defense in basketball and hockey. Are Basketball and hockey players better athletes? Is that what you are conceding?

As far as you are concerned Grizzley Adams: Please give me Webster's Dictionary for what dissed means. Because last I knew that was not a word.


And what I said makes sense to thoses that understand english. Which apparently someone who uses terms that is not in the dictionary just wouldn't understand.

stooping to the old grammatical defense . Which means you don`t have anything . dissed is in the dictionary, it means to show disrespect

please try not to offend anyone like you did in Yankee thread .


oh by the way its are not in the dictionary rather than is not because terms are plural not singular. How come everytime someone tries to correct anothers grammar they endup doing the same thing . BAHAHA

 

[storm7400]

So what was Babe Ruth? Wasn't he a PITCHer? What was Don Drysdale? Wasn't he a PITCHer? How come they were such good HITTERS if they were only PITCHers? American pitchers and hitters that don't play the field only play half the game. When the game came along you were suppose to play offense and defense. They play offense and defense in basketball and hockey. Are Basketball and hockey players better athletes? Is that what you are conceding?

As far as you are concerned Grizzley Adams: Please give me Webster's Dictionary for what dissed means. Because last I knew that was not a word.


And what I said makes sense to thoses that understand english. Which apparently someone who uses terms that is not in the dictionary just wouldn't understand.

And yet you fail to mention football in your diatribe but oh wait that wouldn't support you outdated and irrelevant theory. The games have changed over the years and thats called progress, its not always great but it does add a particular flavor to the game. But where's your outrage for the "closers" thats a relatively new wrinkle to the game as well as the "save" statistic, or why starters don't go deep into games anymore or get 35-40 starts a year??? Keep living in the past, I mean I get it because frankly thats the only times the Knicks and the Jets were champs

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

stooping to the old grammatical defense . Which means you don`t have anything . dissed is in the dictionary, it means to show disrespect

please try not to offend anyone like you did in Yankee thread .


oh by the way its are not in the dictionary rather than is not because terms are plural not singular. How come everytime someone tries to correct anothers grammar they endup doing the same thing . BAHAHA

Dissed is NOT in the dictionary.

Who did I offend in the Yankee thread?

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

And yet you fail to mention football in your diatribe but oh wait that wouldn't support you outdated and irrelevant theory. The games have changed over the years and thats called progress, its not always great but it does add a particular flavor to the game. But where's your outrage for the "closers" thats a relatively new wrinkle to the game as well as the "save" statistic, or why starters don't go deep into games anymore or get 35-40 starts a year??? Keep living in the past, I mean I get it because frankly thats the only times the Knicks and the Jets were champs

I failed to mention football because it is a contact sport. As far as the game progressing, I hate 7th inning guys or 8th inning specialists. Is baseball a contact sport? I have outrage for pitchcounts and supposed specialists. The idea of having a guy PH four times in a game is stupid and retarded.

You as an Orioles fan should know the four pitchers winning 4-20 game winners. All you pitchers were decent hitters. Now tell me what team is going to have potentially 4-20 game winners? Oh probably none. Why? Oh progress of the game. Oh my outdated, irrelevant theory works.

Why don't we have a DH for a catcher? They have to focus on calling games for the pitcher. They should focus on catching, right?

PITCHers pitch according to you. Why don't CATCHers just CATCH? Please, since you have ALL the answers, enlighten me?

As far as Jets and Knicks, that has nothing to do with the past. I am a fan of those teams. Not a bandwagon jumper. Thought that an Orioles fan who is drawing 10,000 fans a game would appreciate that.

 

[Cy/MiG]

The team with the best record should have home field, but that makes too much sense and makes the All-Star game far too obviously superfluous.

The best solution would be to knock off 6-12 games from the regular season and hold a tourney or something (held either before the season---based on previous seasons records---or at mid season) where the best team/league gets home field.

All I do know is that the current is system is broke, as evidence by everyone here pointing it out.