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WrestleMania 21 outlook

i won't look at him differently, i see it as this: he's human, he made a collassol mistake that will affect him personally and professionally for a long time (more than likely he will not be getting HHH's belt off of him ever or unless there's a bigger scandal that overshadows this one) and that i have no room to judge him because as a fellow human being i've screwed up too and the only one he has to answer to is his wife, he honestly doesn't owe us fans an explanation,reason,apology or an excuse...the same with lita..she owes matt but beyond that she only has to answer to herself.

as for WM21, i hope my sister is able to get a copy from somewhere, i want to see Piper's Pit 😀
 
Hey Giggly girl you like wrestling and your from western NY (I'm from southeaster NY), and you were born in 77 I assume? I was born in 78...just wondered if I could add you to my aol/aim list to im you if I see you on sometime soon? I never get to talk to anyone from these boards outside of these boards.

As for Edge, yeah he's a person so I can't think he's perfect, but I just wonder how they are going to have him come out now on Raw and how bad the crowd is gonna get on him about this...public relations nightmare for the WWE.
 
Edge has gone thru a lot of stuff, not sure where the WWE is going to take him. WM21 won't see him kill HBK, so you think he'll be part of that Jericho Ladder match Invitational?
Speaking of his wife, wonder where his brother-in-law, Val Venus, is?
Dunno - his tirades get annoying, but I love his aggressive style.
gg25 - think it was smart on Orton's part to challenge the Phenom, who is undefeated in wrestlemanias?
 
actually to clarify something Val Venis (aka Sean Morley is his former bro in law)...i wouldn't be surprised if the decision is made to not let him wrestle at WM21 and yah the fans of matt and lita have already started on him at one of the shows in North Carolina(as if he was cheating all by himself🙄 sanctimonius idiots drive me nuts)...i'm not sure how wwe is gonna handle it...i imagine they might want to have him keep a low profile but i'm not sure how that will work...JMO
 
Edge ... World Heavyweight Champion

Did you guys know that Edge actually won the fan voting at Taboo Tuesday but the WWE overrode the votes (without telling the fans of course) and put the wrestler in Shawn Micheals who in real life is Triple Hs best friend and would have no problem losing to him? Lita or no Lita Edge should be the World Champion. He has it all but I think because of him constantly being injured (as Christian very humorously pointed out!) the creative team is afraid to give him the strap. Speaking of Christian...are Christian and Edge still brothers? Sometimes I get lost in WWE "Creativity"!😕
 
In real life they aren't and they're not considered it in the storyline either as it's never mentioned. Edge does have everything he needs to be champion, the look, the attitude, the entrance, the athleticism, however, I'm afraid that if this whole Lita thing is real (which it seems it is), then he's gonna really have a hard time getting a chance for the title anytime in the near future. By the way who told you that Edge won the voting at Taboo Tuesday? I know wwe would fix it if they had to but I don't remember hearing that Edge really won.
 
i know part of his heel turn has him blaming Shawn for the whole Taboo Tuesday voting thing...but i wouldn't put anything past Vincent...now there's even talk of how this situation could benefit the company if they turn lita heel...bad move imho not the heel turn but using this very painful situation to earn a few dollars.
 
Vince is already using a sort of terrorist angle with the arab guy.. using that and the Iraq situation to make a few bucks is far worse than any 'cheating' angle could ever be. Just my thoughts.
 
BAH....bring back the Honky Tonk Man.


"I'M COOL...I'M COCKY...I'M B-B-B-B-B-B-BAAAAAAD!"


The Sean Man
 
How Many Shots Did The Undertaker Fire?

Did you guys see the Dirty Harry promo for Wrestlemania? The Undertaker was shown holding a gun pointed at a criminal and then later on he fired a rifle at the criminal although you just heard the shot. Now im not gonna get on a soapbox and start preaching about how wrestling is the downfall of america because I believe in free speech and that kind of thing but Vince said there would never be a gun or knife in WWE for any reason...I guess he lied. Oh and I heard the WWE voting for Taboo Tuesday AND the 250 grand Diva Search was rigged from a pro-wrestler who is an acquaintance of mine named Scythe (his real name is Andrew) and he wrestles for CombatZone Wrestling I believe but im not sure, I dont know him that well. He trained with Gene Snitsky and knows whos boobs are fake and whos are real! I hope I dont sound facetious saying "I know a pro-wrestler" because hes really not a well known one at all and its not a big deal but he has friends in WWE. Sorry if I come across as bragging. By the way Litas boobs are fake and (to my surprise) Trishs are real!😀
 
Well I'm not suprised if it was rigged, it doesn't matter to me, I watch it cause to me its a male soap opera, that makes me laugh, and I like to see what's going to happen next etc...so I don't care if the WWE is the most honest, trustworthy thing...its entertainment. It was interesting watching the crowd really give it to Edge and Lita last night when they came out on Raw. I think WWE was smart though by not running from it and keeping them off t.v. as it would just make the wait for them to come out worse and the crowd reaction worse.
 
Word thru the grapevine says the two World titles at WM might change, because they want to see if Batista and Cena can run with the ball, because quite frankly, the fans are sick of seeing HHH and JBL with the belts. However, as we all know things can and will change, expect at least a Batista victory, because with all this hype-up, it would be foolish to do all that, and not have a title change
 
Re: How Many Shots Did The Undertaker Fire?

Wickerman said:
Did you guys see the Dirty Harry promo for Wrestlemania? The Undertaker was shown holding a gun pointed at a criminal and then later on he fired a rifle at the criminal although you just heard the shot. Now im not gonna get on a soapbox and start preaching about how wrestling is the downfall of america because I believe in free speech and that kind of thing but Vince said there would never be a gun or knife in WWE for any reason...I guess he lied. Oh and I heard the WWE voting for Taboo Tuesday AND the 250 grand Diva Search was rigged from a pro-wrestler who is an acquaintance of mine named Scythe (his real name is Andrew) and he wrestles for CombatZone Wrestling I believe but im not sure, I dont know him that well. He trained with Gene Snitsky and knows whos boobs are fake and whos are real! I hope I dont sound facetious saying "I know a pro-wrestler" because hes really not a well known one at all and its not a big deal but he has friends in WWE. Sorry if I come across as bragging. By the way Litas boobs are fake and (to my surprise) Trishs are real!😀

Give me a break, bro... It was an act, just like the Booker T/Eddie commercial for WM as they played out the Pulp Fiction scene. Taker was acting like Dirty Harry... It was a joke...

Edge(the poster), how can you come out and blantly say Edge won the voting without even knowing for sure?? Why? Because you like the guy?? I doubt very much he won. He was going against guys that were a lot more popular then he was/is..

As far as WM goes... I REALLY am liking this Orton-Taker storyline. It's a great chance for RKO to turn back to heel(where he shined).. I do not know how this one will turn out.. This will be Taker's last WM.. Will he go out 13-0, undefeated?? Or will the legend killer beat yet another Legend?? Not sure... But it's not likely for the Taker to job to the young kid on the biggest stage of all time...

The 6 man money in the bag match looks interesting also... I'm rooting for my boy Christian here..

Still wondering what they will do with Hassan as far as WM goes... Big Show does not have a match yet either, correct? They better hurry up with the feuds, WM21 is right around the corner.
 
Batista Didnt Win The Match Yet!!!

Triple H did the right thing last year and tapped out to Benoit in the main event. Benoits title reign was one of the best in a while. Do you really think the head of raw (Helmsley) is gonna drop 2 Wrestlemania main events in a row? It seems like everyone has the belt around Batisas waist and the match is still a month away! Batistas victory is not a forgone conclusion. Vince loves to shock the audience so dont be surprised if Triple H comes away with a win. As for JBL his mike work may be the best for a heel of modern times...people HATE him!!! He is also the greatest villian of modern times because of that. His wrestling skills frankly surprise me (that top rope shoulder block he pulled out was awesome!). No one wears JBL T-shirts unlike Triple H and JBL has been carrying smackdown since his title victory. I can see hes tired now and worn out, he needs a break. That break unfortunately will be John Cena. No way in hell JBL is gonna win at Wrestlemania but Triple H might surprise you.
 
Re: Batista Didnt Win The Match Yet!!!

Wickerman said:
Triple H did the right thing last year and tapped out to Benoit in the main event. Benoits title reign was one of the best in a while. Do you really think the head of raw (Helmsley) is gonna drop 2 Wrestlemania main events in a row? It seems like everyone has the belt around Batisas waist and the match is still a month away! Batistas victory is not a forgone conclusion. Vince loves to shock the audience so dont be surprised if Triple H comes away with a win. As for JBL his mike work may be the best for a heel of modern times...people HATE him!!! He is also the greatest villian of modern times because of that. His wrestling skills frankly surprise me (that top rope shoulder block he pulled out was awesome!). No one wears JBL T-shirts unlike Triple H and JBL has been carrying smackdown since his title victory. I can see hes tired now and worn out, he needs a break. That break unfortunately will be John Cena. No way in hell JBL is gonna win at Wrestlemania but Triple H might surprise you.

I agree with you that HHH might win it at WM.. I said it before and will again.. Last year we had two face guys win both belts at WM, I do not see both winning it again. What I do see happening is this.. Batista losing because of an RKO out of nowhere from the returning Evolution member and new heel Randy Orton. Batista then starts a feud with Orton. Nah, not really... but I would love for it to go down that way...

BTW, I really disagree with you saying Benoit's title reign was one of the best.. I thought it was one of the most boring, ever..
 
Response to ArmpitLicker

Armpitlicker I explained about the voting at Taboo Tuesday because it was confirmed through an inside source like I said. Same with the Diva Search voting. I know a pro-wrestler named Scythe who knows Gene Snitsky and other WWE personal who are privy to that kind of info. Edge won the voting because the fans saw Benoit/Helmsley and Michaels/Helmsley a 100 times each. Edge/Helmsley however would have been fresh and new. Shawn isnt that popular by the way and Benoit beat Triple H too many times. The fans wanted Edge to wrestle for the title. As for the Undertaker/Dirty Harry promo I passed no judgement on it I just asked what people thought of the use of guns in the promo for an event in LA where guns and gangs are a problem. They could have shown the Undertaker crush the guys skull and I wouldnt have cared...itd be just like a Friday the 13th movie!
 
Truth is.. some wrestlers are so popular they don't necessarily need a belt. Rock, Stone Cold and Taker are examples. These guys would sell tickets without wearing the gold - and selling tickets is the bottom line. I think maybe Batista is at that level now. Plus it would generate more heat and more possible angles and matches/rematches if Batista lost. They could milk it a few more months and make more money. Or they could always go with the win the belt then lose it quickly angle too. I think it depends on whether the wrestler has it in their contract that they are guaranteed a belt (such as was the case with Goldberg and Hogan when they signed with WWE) and with Batista's popularity being an unforseen event (it just happened) I don't see that the case here. I look for HHH and Cena to leave WM with the belts. Just my two cents.
 
I think there is a real chance that Randy Orton will turn heel and RKO Batista to give Triple H the win. Evolution needs another member and Randy really is not a good babyface. I was at a Raw houseshow a month ago and the main event was Randy Orton vs. Triple H. Triple H was cheered much more than Randy and Triple H had to get on the mic several times to try to insult the crowd to get them to boo him...and some still cheered him.
And to the guy who said I said Edge won the voting fairly, I never said that...someone ELSE said they know a wrestler who told them thats what happened...I said it doesn't bother me who won the voting and if they fix it or not.
 
I want Triple H to win, screw Batista. 😛 😀 Who the hell is he anyway? He doesn't have the character or ring presense that Triple H has. Why should we want to bump him if purely because of his physical dominance? Thats not the end-all of this business. And in that regard, Triple H is a legend compared to Batista.

As long as Batista has been around, I've never really felt he was more than a rookie or intermediate wrestler. Not Mavin-like rookie, but a rookie nonetheless. Though he is really good at what he does. His rise just seems too quick and forced though, and with no real gimmick to hide behind, whats going to substanciate his existance as a champion? We've had too many of those champions that are of the physical caliber and its implied the reason they have the belt is because of their physical dominance.

Triple H is champion material and should remain so for time immemorial. If he's got to lose the belt at WM just so people will stop bitching for a while, fine. But we all know the chances are high that it will end up right back around his waist sooner than later. Not just because he's seemingly in control of RAW, but because he deserves it.

If Batista were like a Taker or Hogan character, and he had that kind of pull, then surely giving him the belt would be alot easier to do and there wouldn't be a need to screw him out of it almost immediately after it's won.

The same thing that happened to Benoit will probably happen to Batista. If he does win, the win will probably be legit. too, but the reign short-lived.

If Vince does decide to do this, what real joy will the fans get with such a short-lived victory?

Its sort of like one of those "I told you I could do it" things, and then its dropped and never brought up again.

Giving Batista what would ammount to a mediocre win just to pacify crowds is the eqquivelent of throwing a dog a bone with the grissim already sucked off. 😛
 
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C'mon, Celtic, give Batista some props. He has come a loooong way since 2002, and his ring work is getting much better. This man is a beast. People are sick of seeing HHH with the belt. It is sad this man has to use politics, marry the boss's daughter to keep the belt around his waist.

And come to think of it, let us look at his history. he has needed help in every one of his matches to get wins. When was the last clean victory he had without outside assistance?? can't think of one, can ya?

And besides, the numbers have not increased whenever he was champion. They need the numbers to climb, and a way to do that is to have him drop the belt. The main reason is this, because if someone else were champion, there is an air of uncertainty, because the element anticipation is there because we don't know if the title will change or not. With HHH as champion, there is no surprise. We know he'll keep the title from some bullshit means, so people won't watch, because we can smell the outcome a mile away.

Next reason is, HHH used to pride himself on making other people better for the betterment of the company. Now all he cares about is himself. Stone Cold or The Rock never acted like that, neither did the Undertaker. HHH has forgotten what made him great, and his ringwork is suffering because of it

For all you JBL fans: he is the worst champion WWE has ever had. His ringwork is sloppy, he has no technique whatsoever, and this asshole has the audacity to call himself a "wrestling god"? Any of you could wrestle better than this clown. I don't see what the hell Vince sees in this assclown. He is nothing more than a poor man's Ted DiBiase, and even DiBiase in his sleep can do better than this jerk.

One question for all of you: What is the purpose of hyping up men like Cena, Batista, Benoit, etc and not let them run with the ball?? How the hell can you know what they can do unless you go do it??

OK, I'm off my soapbox now, but anxiously awaiting Celtic's answer
 
i agree why spend the next two-three months playing up the angles that they are playing if they have no intention of the belts changing hands...it's pointless and just pisses off the fans
 
natural tickler said:
C'mon, Celtic, give Batista some props. He has come a loooong way since 2002, and his ring work is getting much better. This man is a beast. People are sick of seeing HHH with the belt. It is sad this man has to use politics, marry the boss's daughter to keep the belt around his waist.

And come to think of it, let us look at his history. he has needed help in every one of his matches to get wins. When was the last clean victory he had without outside assistance?? can't think of one, can ya?

And besides, the numbers have not increased whenever he was champion. They need the numbers to climb, and a way to do that is to have him drop the belt. The main reason is this, because if someone else were champion, there is an air of uncertainty, because the element anticipation is there because we don't know if the title will change or not. With HHH as champion, there is no surprise. We know he'll keep the title from some bullshit means, so people won't watch, because we can smell the outcome a mile away.

Next reason is, HHH used to pride himself on making other people better for the betterment of the company. Now all he cares about is himself. Stone Cold or The Rock never acted like that, neither did the Undertaker. HHH has forgotten what made him great, and his ringwork is suffering because of it

For all you JBL fans: he is the worst champion WWE has ever had. His ringwork is sloppy, he has no technique whatsoever, and this asshole has the audacity to call himself a "wrestling god"? Any of you could wrestle better than this clown. I don't see what the hell Vince sees in this assclown. He is nothing more than a poor man's Ted DiBiase, and even DiBiase in his sleep can do better than this jerk.

One question for all of you: What is the purpose of hyping up men like Cena, Batista, Benoit, etc and not let them run with the ball?? How the hell can you know what they can do unless you go do it??

OK, I'm off my soapbox now, but anxiously awaiting Celtic's answer


Thats all an act though with Triple H, and JBL for that matter. Its what he's paid to do and he does it well. Its not that he CAN'T wrestle, its just unfortunately not in his script.

We tend to forget its all staged anyway and forget that people like Triple H and JBL are being PAID to look a certain way or to look not good enough, or too good, etc. This varies wrestler for wrestler according to how things are written.

Also, I have given Batista props. He is a talent. But as a presense, he would not have one if not for these pushes. People like Triple H, the Undertaker, the Rock, etc, come up with their own gimmick and that alone takes a life-force of it's own and legitimizes who they are in the ring, even if the script tells a different story or doesn't back them up.

That leaves Batista with the only thing he has at this point and time- physical prowess. Unless Batista can be given more depth or come up with it on his own, I think a win at WM, for him, is just an appeasement rather than something that really ought to happen, or would for that matter in the normal flow of how the business works.

These people get paid to make you hate them or love them. Thats part of their contract, albeit not necessarily in writing.

And then of course theres the logic of "why build up a story to not see it through"? Well, they are seeing it through. Just because it doesn't happen the way some fans want it to doesn't mean it was not followed through to conclusion. As others have said, there are reasons to leave Triple H with the belt.

You said "people are sick of see HHH with the belt". Whose "people"? Surely its not the majority, more like a fraction, just as it would be for people, for whatever reason, would want Triple H to win.

Maybe people want Triple H to win and maybe he will for a reason that makes more sense than we can currently comprehend or understand. They make the scripts and such in advance. Maybe this isn't really about Triple H at all, but rather someone other than Batista.

Perhaps WM will be nothing more than a stepping stone for Batista. Hunter may be full of himself, but as a professional, he's never had a problem with giving someone a push when they needed it.

But losing the belt isn't some prerequisite. Its more like showmanship. Think of it that way. Maybe the whole point of this match will be merely for Batista to show Triple H up.

Think about it, maybe its better if Batista loses, but JUST barely. There will be more fire behind this feud and future chances for Batista to get the belt if he doesn't win it here.

Wrestlemania is just as well known for creating character, honor, dishonor, and many other attributes in wrestlers that fans look for, as it is known for as a default platform where championship titles change hands.

Sometimes, just making a name for yourself, beating the best, and showing everyone who you are, creating controversy...or even losing and getting a standing ovation anyway is more important that actually getting the gold.

If Batista wins, I won't have a problem with it, however.

But he'd better develop more personality and individuality. I see him turning into a Bill Goldburg character. That TYPE of wrestler is out of date. Dave Batista has to, needs to be more than that.
 
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