wrestler's released

[TklDuo-Drew]

Well.......I'm probably asking for trouble by putting up a wrestling-related thread, but I thought I'd post the lastest "house-cleaning" the WWE is doing:

Billy Gunn
Chuck Palumbo
Test
A-Train
Jazz
Rico
Nidia
Rodney Mack
Johnny Stamboli
Gail Kim, all released from their contracts this week. Maybe Vince is thinking about putting the separate brands back together..


Drew

 

[The Sean Man]

I think he's just trimming the fat, so to speak. They do have a LOT of people on both rosters, some who got little to no reaction from the crowd.
Ah well, there's always TNA🙂


The Sean Man

P.S- I am, however, going to miss seeing Gayle Kim putting those submission holds on Victoria....

 

[primetime]

Gail Kim released??!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

i liked her! will kind of miss Nidia as well... if they released her, is Maven next?

as for the others...oh well....

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

Don't know the details. But, I suspect that Gail Kim was released because she kept messing up moves and hirting people. I'm sure we'll see that happens with some of the other sloppy folks as well....sending them down to OVW if nothing else. It's dangerous enough when they've gotten enough ring time in to do the moves properly. When they can't or don't bother to perfect their skills, they really need to bow out.

I'm anxious to see where things are going with all the cuts. Drew and I are in agreement that it would be great to see the brands come back together. Even if they don't unite them completely, there are a number of good matches that could come from mixxing things up a bit. We'll see....

Ann

 

[natural tickler]

According to various sources, Vince is fully prepared to bring the brands back together, and bring up better matchups people haven't seen in awhile. As far as the cuts go, none are suprising, except for the ladies cuts. Unbelievable. Gail Kim did get cut because of the submission moves she did, she was careless and sloppy, and sent her to OVW to correct them. There are more cuts to come, and probably by Royal Rumble or a little after, the brands will be back to one😛

 

[Texas_Tickle]

This whole "brand" thing is as stupid as it gets.....it would have been more believable if Vince went with the initial plan, which was for Shane to "take over" WCW and keep it as a seperate franchise, each with their own respective champions and 1 world champion between them.

 

[AphxA]

its like the nine inch nails album...the downward spiral(like the wwe franchise)😀

 

[The Sean Man]

The women are rushed and sloppy because they're given less than five minutes to put on a good match. The WWE could care less about women's wrestling. As long as the girls pose for calendars and videos, Vince is happy.

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

Shorter matches doesn't meant that they have to rush. It simply means they don't have time for a lot of extras. It's not a reason. It's an excuse.

So, what do folks think about the Carlito Cool, Simon System and Snitski gimmicks? I think all three of them should be cut...unless they can come up with a personality that actually works and can start to really wrestle.

It seems strange that they're throwing in all this crap when Vince said not too long ago that he wanted to get the focus back on wrestling. Frankly, I can't stand any of these 3 clowns. Carlito is a jerk that doesn't know how to wrestle...and isn't given much opportunity to. Simon is an arrogant prick who does nothing but insult people. And Snitski is in danger of injuring himself when he makes those faces of his. Have you seen those veins in his face and neck? I keep expecting something to pop! Plus, the whole thing about "killing Lita's baby" is tired and poorly done. I don't know what the talents are of any of these guys. But, if they have talent, they're being wasted in stupid roles.

It's gotten to the point where I ignore half the bits in both shows.

Ann

 

[The Sean Man]

I never watch RAW or SMACKDOWN when they're on...I tape them so i can fast forward past the stuff I don't give a crap about.

The Sean Man

 

[The Sean Man]

The problem with Carlito? He was better the first time when he was called Razor Ramon.

And Simon Dean? The Bodydonnas are calling...they want their gimmick back.

Gene Snitsky is the RAW version of John Heidenreich...and that ain't saying much.


The Sean Man

 

[giggleygirl25]

i have to agree, i can't stand any of them...of course i haven't seen much of Simon, but he's just annoying...Carlito is an ass and Snitsky is just creepy.

 

[maniactickler]

I like carlito. i think he adds a little spunk to the roster. carlito wasnt razor ramon. unless there were two of them?

 

[The Sean Man]

I like carlito. i think he adds a little spunk to the roster. carlito wasnt razor ramon. unless there were two of them?

No, what I'm saying is that Carlito's character is a carbon copy of Razor Ramon. Cool, slow-talking...only Carlito spits apple instead of tossing a toothpick in someone's face.

The Sean Man

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

Yeah, most of the gimmicks they've been using lately are rehashes of the older ones. I haven't been watching wrestling that long (about 4 years now). But, even I see them replaying the same tired old routiines. I think it's time for Vince to do some housecleaning and freshen things up in the writing dept.

Ann

 

[The Sean Man]

Oh, how I long for the days of the Honky Tonk Man. The guy couldn't wrestle to save his life, but it didn't matter because people hated him ON SIGHT! Now THAT'S something to be proud of as a wrestling heel.

"I'm cool, I'm cocky, I'm b-b-b-b-BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!"

The Sean Man

 

[giggleygirl25]

ahhh but the fans do have someone that they hate on sight...Kurt Angle😉

 

[BlackmoonDoll]

speaking of wrestling.

has anybody played the New playstation 2 game Smackdown vs. Raw?

it just came out a few weeks ago. and i'm just wondering how it is and if anybody here has rented it or bought it (since i'm not so much a big wrestling fan, but i am a big sports and video game fan) 😀

 

[The Sean Man]

ahhh but the fans do have someone that they hate on sight...Kurt Angle😉

Talk about a guy who was born for professional wrestling! This guy should already be in the Hall of Fame, both for his mike work AND wrestling. I just hope the guy stays healthy, and doesn't "injure" himself out of the sport like Stone Cold....oh, it's true, it's true🙂


The Sean Man

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

ahhh but the fans do have someone that they hate on sight...Kurt Angle😉

Actually, most fans like and respect Kurt. The "You Suck!" chants started long ago in response to instigation from one of the other guys (I don't recall which at the moment.) Even long after the gimmick that started it, they still use the chant in beat to his entrance music out of affection and appreciation for his skills. They love it and he loves it. When he came back from his neck surgery and entered to that chant, he nearly lost it. He was so overwhelmed by the welcome that it took him a moment to greet them.

Now, if you want someone to truly hate, may I suggest...Hydenreich...Carlito...Snitski...

Ann

 

[Texas_Tickle]

Actually, most fans like and respect Kurt. The "You Suck!" chants started long ago in response to instigation from one of the other guys (I don't recall which at the moment.) Even long after the gimmick that started it, they still use the chant in beat to his entrance music out of affection and appreciation for his skills. They love it and he loves it. When he came back from his neck surgery and entered to that chant, he nearly lost it. He was so overwhelmed by the welcome that it took him a moment to greet them.

Now, if you want someone to truly hate, may I suggest...Hydenreich...Carlito...Snitski...

Ann

And what's up with Carlito winning the title on his first match? What happened to paying your dues and waiting in line?

 

[giggleygirl25]

yeah i don't understand why carlito won his first time out, then again i havent been watching all that long (a few months)...i didn't realize the cheer was out of respect i thought they liked eddie more than kurt...and yeah heidenreich is just plain awful. (i'm only able to get Smackdown in my area currently, although i did hear about the whole lita/kane/snitski storyline from The Bottom Line)

 

[maniactickler]

No, what I'm saying is that Carlito's character is a carbon copy of Razor Ramon. Cool, slow-talking...only Carlito spits apple instead of tossing a toothpick in someone's face.

The Sean Man

ahhh....gotcha. and i love the apple spitting in the face. thats already a classic move to me.

 

[TklDuo-Drew]

It's never a good idea to award a wrestler with a belt on their debut(i.e. Gail Kim) I thought the Snitski character was gonna work but he's such a clumsy slob in the ring, plus the whole "baby-killer" angle turned me off. It's right up there with the "Triple H/Katie Vick in the casket" bit. Heidenreich still needs more ring experience but he's one of my more favorite WWE guys. They should turn him face for awhile like he was on RAW, then have him snap.
Carlito was more entertaining 15 years ago when he was Razor Ramon. And Simon Dean? The gimmick was much better with the Holly's, Ted Dibiase, and Rick Rude.


Drew

 

[Shem the Penman]

Nothing is original in wrestling. Nothing. Never has been. Gorgeous George becomes Adrian Adonis becomes Goldust becomes Rico.

It's been said that the statute of limitations on wrestling gimmicks is seven years -- after that, you can just rip 'em off and they'll be fresh for the new generation of fans.

As for the cuts, I suspect they're mostly because Pat Patterson left; John Laurinatis (Johnny Ace) has taken over as talent director for WWE, and he's clearing out what he considers deadwood. I'm sorry to see A-Train, Rico, and Gail Kim go, and I thought Stamboli and Palumbo had potential. The rest, well, it's about time.

And people who bitch about the brand split apparently want to watch the Triple H Show two nights a week instead of one.