Zito is a Giant accord to reports!!!

[Laugh704]

You have a better shot at meeting God than you do hearing me say that I am a Cowshit fan. That is absolutely impossible. I suppose if Zito went to Los Angeles, you would be a Dodgers fan.

As far as the Mets are concerned, my question is, where were the Giants??? Fact that the Mets had a shot is more than we can say for the Giants. Like I said, losers since 1954. In fact, the Mets have won more World Championships since 1962, than the Giants have since 1933.

As far as Zito is concerned, something you have not been able to argue is that he is 9 games over .500 over the last 4 years. That is a far cry from 23-5 in 2002. You are paying for a guy based on his 2002 record and not what he has done in '03,'04 '05 or '06 ( and '06 was actually his best year over the last four years ). If the deal was struck before 2003 season, I might not have had an issue. But you are paying for a guy who is only 9 games over .500. That to me makes it seem like a mindless idiot made the deal. Yeah he makes all of his starts for now, but does he win the majority of them??? The answer is NO!!! If you look at what I am saying, you know I am making sense.

As far as anyone taking care of me???, Knox or nobody else takes care of me. I take care of myself. And one more time, I am not a boy as you put it. I am probably double your age. You should try to reason, rather than argue.

Natural as far as you are concerned, the best advice I could give you is don't give advice. You know I was not interested in Zito then, nor now. So before you tell me to chill, take your own advice my friend.

As far as his ERA. he has a 3.50 ERA and yes he makes 35 starts but he is a 6 1/3 innings pitcher. So don't tell me he gets to the 8th inning very often. Fact is, Oakland has been a top five team as far as runs scored in the AL over the last 6 seasons. So there goes your theory of run support.

One more thing, it doesn't surprise me that you would say something here, his team a loser since 1954 and your team a loser since 1908. Losers must stick together.

I loved your first sentence. That was hilarious!

Secondly, just when did I ever say I was a Giants fan??? I said Zito fan, not Giants fan. Get your facts straight. So why should I care what the Giants did last year??

As far as a Zito, he did no better than the Mets. Both were watching the series at home. But then again, no one ever said the A's were going anywhere. But every sportswriter, ESPN, and baseball announcer was ready to hand the trophy to the Mets in September.

But the Mets were commited to a boat with a hole in it (Martinez) and sank like a rock when he *cough* missed games.

Face it. The Mets choked. They backed the wrong horse and their pitching fell apart with injuries.

We could both quote stats all day, but you know it and I know it, the Mets would have given their right arm to have Zito last year in the playoffs. That's why it stings so much he didn't bite on their offer.

And yes I would pull for Zito no matter where he went. Even if it was the Mets.

And one last thing. You are absolutely clueless with my age. So stop the huffy puffy smoke and mirrors tough talk bullcrap. No one's buying it. Be a man and talk logical, sensible and act your supposed age and others will take you seriously.

I like your other posts and you are knowledgeable in sports. Just talk reasonable and logical and we could have some great debates here. No need to get all upset and use profanity and talk contradicting nonsense. It's just a forum, my friend. Let's have fun here.

Maybe I will catch one of your NFL posts. Unless my last name is Owens. Then I would probably drop it.

 

[sadira]

Face it. The Mets choked. They backed the wrong horse and their pitching fell apart with injuries.

BTW, the Mets didn't choke. It wasn't the pitching that failed them. The bats came up short during the playoffs. Go back and take a look at the stats. The pitchers kept them in it all the way to the end.

If the Mets really wanted Zito then, they would've gone after him. But why would you back a horse that can only run 2 lengths and not guarantee you an entire race?? If they'd picked him up then, they'd have no guarantees he'd stay in NY into next season....if he'd like NY enough....if he'd even do well enough under that pressure or press?!? Maybe HE'D end up choking during those two months under all that....shrugs....(imo).

 

[Laugh704]

BTW, the Mets didn't choke. It wasn't the pitching that failed them. The bats came up short during the playoffs. Go back and take a look at the stats. The pitchers kept them in it all the way to the end.

If the Mets really wanted Zito then, they would've gone after him. But why would you back a horse that can only run 2 lengths and not guarantee you an entire race?? If they'd picked him up then, they'd have no guarantees he'd stay in NY into next season....if he'd like NY enough....if he'd even do well enough under that pressure or press?!? Maybe HE'D end up choking during those two months under all that....shrugs....(imo).

"Didn't choke" and "came up short". Hmm. Think about it.

Where was Pedro Martinez? And Glavine was even questionable. In order to win a race you actually have to be in the race.

And the Mets did go after Zito when they were allowed to. They just didn't want to commit to 7 years. They know what it's like to be burned by injured pitchers you count on (insert Martinez) (insert Glavine) and reasoned 7 years is just too long to commit to a pitcher.

 

[Angel_2]

What failed the Mets during the playoffs last year was NOT the pitching, ok get that stright first. Our pitchers saved our season, Glavine was HUGE for us. Maine pitched ok, guys like Oliver Perez pitched a great game 6 to get it to game 7 and the ONLY reason we lost that 7th game was b/c of one bad pitch by Aaron Heilman. otherwise it would have been the Mets in the WS and not the cards. Pedro and El Duque had nothing to do with it so to bring them up is useless. and at the time when the Mets got Pedro we needed an Ace and that is what Pedro is. "And Glavine was even questionable" are you kidding me?? you must have missed the games he pitched b/c he was the one that kept the Mets in the games he pitched.


As for Zito do you really think he will be that good, this guy is 9 games over 500 lifetime. I'll admit it would have been nice to have Zito on my team(Mets) and yes I was a fan that wanted him but NO way did I want him at that crazy price the Giants paid him.

oh and umm by the way where was Zito last year?? oh yeah at Home watching the ALCS and NLCS while the Mets were in it, so don't say "In order to win a race you actually have to be in the race." b/c the Mets got 1 round further then your Barry Zito and the A's ok.

 

[Laugh704]

What failed the Mets during the playoffs last year was NOT the pitching, ok get that stright first. Our pitchers saved our season, Glavine was HUGE for us. Maine pitched ok, guys like Oliver Perez pitched a great game 6 to get it to game 7 and the ONLY reason we lost that 7th game was b/c of one bad pitch by Aaron Heilman. otherwise it would have been the Mets in the WS and not the cards. Pedro and El Duque had nothing to do with it so to bring them up is useless. and at the time when the Mets got Pedro we needed an Ace and that is what Pedro is. "And Glavine was even questionable" are you kidding me?? you must have missed the games he pitched b/c he was the one that kept the Mets in the games he pitched.


As for Zito do you really think he will be that good, this guy is 9 games over 500 lifetime. I'll admit it would have been nice to have Zito on my team(Mets)and yes I was a fan that wanted him but NO way did I want him at that crazy price the Giants paid him.

oh and umm by the way where was Zito last year?? oh yeah at Home watching the ALCS and NLCS while the Mets were in it, so don't say "In order to win a race you actually have to be in the race." b/c the Mets got 1 round further then your Barry Zito and the A's ok.

To bring up Martinez is useless?? When your "ace" gets hurt and misses playoffs, how exactly is that "saving" your season? Last time I checked that's when you want your "aces" most. Glavine had career threatening problems and wasn't even sure if he was even going to pitch, in NY or anywhere else for that matter, at the end of the season. I admire the job he did in the NLCS (the man did a heck of a job considering what he was going through). What I meant by questionable is even he didn't know where, when or even IF he was going to pitch.

Oh and umm by the way.. exactly WHAT ALCS were you watching last year?? The Mets got 1 round further??? Who did the Tigers beat to get to the series?? Back up and try again.

Difference is, everyone on the planet was ready to give the series to the Mets in September. Tell me how many informed sports journalists actually gave Oakland a chance of winning the series last year?? Some didn't think the A's would even get past Minnesota. Heck, some didn't think they would even win the West. Hint: Oakland wasn't exactly a strong serious contender last year. A good team? yes. A serious world series contender? Not even close.

But the Mets.. they were SUPPOSED to win. How early did they win their division?? And it got them how far in the playoffs?? HAHA. Again I have to laugh at the Mets.

Fact is the Mets choked. They couldn't get the job done. Period. Call it pitching, call it hitting, call it injuries, heck make any excuse you want. Call it the batboy for all I care. Fact is they choked. Period. They lost. Wipe your tears and get over it.

Look at the bright side. There's always next year.

 

[natural tickler]

Natural as far as you are concerned, the best advice I could give you is don't give advice. You know I was not interested in Zito then, nor now. So before you tell me to chill, take your own advice my friend.


One more thing, it doesn't surprise me that you would say something here, his team a loser since 1954 and your team a loser since 1908. Losers must stick together.

Well then, if we go by theory of losers sticking together, then you have joined the club now for the past twenty years. So be careful of who you are calling a loser. For the Mets to be so damn good, to lose a series to a 83-game winner, doesn't make the Mets/Mets fans look like winners does it???

I am not a loser, because at the end of the day, I sleep well regardless of what my team(s) does. I do not take sports so seriously that whatever my team does defines me a person. So again I will tell the populus to chill out.

A side note here: I think that if people want to banter and discuss things around here, it should be done without name calling, personal attacks, etc. Just because people don't agree with your opinions does not make them unintelligent. Because people, this is turning into grade school, and all of us are far too old to be behaving as such. So if you cannot debate without turning back into a 3rd grader, may I suggest you don't post

 

[Laugh704]

I know this OP was back in 2006 but I just have to laugh at all the Mets fans who got so uptight when Zito signed with the Giants.

His contract is now smaller than Johan Santana and CC Sabathia. In fact, I think there were 5 pitchers who made more than Zito did last year. Just goes to show you long-term contracts take into consideration pay increases. Also shows the Giants management know what they are doing.

So who is really overpaid? A pitcher who is now shining up two trophies and World Series rings? Or Mr Santana who is still counting clouds and dreaming - yet making more money than Mr Zito?

Zito contributed to winning those titles, but certainly didn't win those titles alone. If it weren't for Lincecum the Giants never would have won it in 2010. If it weren't for Panda they never would have won it in 2012. If not for Posey they never would won it in either 2010 or 2012. My point is what I've said all along. You can have the best pitching staff in baseball but if your TEAM doesn't show up you are not going to win. Just ask the Phillies. But again, some all knowing fan said pitchers control everything - HAHAHA. That same fan also said the Cubs would win the series before the Giants - HAHAHAHAHA. Wouldn't surprise me if the Cubs won it all BEFORE THE METS - again, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA.

I'm STILL waiting for the Mets to show me that ring they were supposed to have won since this original post. I just have to laugh at the knowledgeable Mets fans who knew so much when the Giants signed Zito .. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA.

Insult Zito all you want. Insult Giants management for their decisions. Don't be surprised if they don't answer straight away. They are pretty busy shining up their Series Championship trophies these days.