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fetish vs. faith

madpipertn

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Hey lee' n' lers,
Well, lately I have been making a return to all the things I should be doing, going to church, reading my Bible, etc. I know that the Bible says that is is sinful to lust after the flesh, and in the back of my mind I've always know that, but I guess I'm just now making an upfront connection between that and the foot tickling fetish I have nurtured for so many years. So, there seems to be a major confliction there. I just cannot imagine turning my back on this part of me, to deny it as something shameful. Are there any other christians out here that have gone through or are going through this same thing? Just looking for some input, from anybody really.
 
Hi there! :wavingguy

I can definitely see what would make for a very conflicting situation there. I grew up Catholic so I've thought of these things before, esp. when it comes to perhaps a D/s relationship (which I have been involved in before). We're taught to not worship any other than Him and in a D/s relationship, that isn't necessarily the case, esp. when you use the words "Master" etc. Most times in a D/s relationship, your very own goal is to please your Dominate, which in return you get pleasure from of course but at first, I was really, really conflicted with these feelings. That kind of messed with my head because ultimately, was I worshiping a false idol??? If I go by the Bible, yes I was. Tickling was sort of the same for me......the whole flesh thing of course. What it came down for to me though, I can't give up who I am. I'm generally a good person and I pray that God focuses on that. As I've gotten older, I've become more comfortable with who I am and I've accepted that. And my love for tickling is sort of how I relate to being gay..........I was born this way. It's all about acceptance for me now. And that is the best feeling in the world. Best of luck to you!!!!
 
Thanks for the reply Angel,
I guess I still have a lot to think about. It is interesting that you brought up the conflictions with being gay (and being born with that disposition) and what the Bible teaches. I kind of think of my tickling fetish in the same way. I know that I was born with a disposition that lends itself toward being excited by tickling. But, I can't help but wonder, is this a test? Is feeling this way, yet saying "No" to my tickling tendencies, my cross to bear in this life? I was of the sort, once upon a time, that unthinkingly touted being gay as something that was a choice of the individual, until I started comparing it to my foot/tickling fetish. I found little difference between the two. Both are alternative to what society considers the "norm", both are not a choice made but rather a discovery about oneself, and both are deemed sinful by God's Word. Ugh, I know the truth, but as is often the case...the truth hurts.
 
Dude. Just have missionary sex with your wife (lights out, of course ;)) and sneak in some tickles then.

Serious answer; it depends on how devout/zealous you are about your faith. Many of the members here are christians and find that their fetish doesn't conflict with it.
 
I do think you worry too much. Just keep enjoining tickling and pray for the people in Haiti or anyone who suffers. Or if you can give them something you may have to spare if you have.

The bible is a code of conduct like all books from all religions. It helps not to fall into excess, because is common sense that all excess is bad. That's all. Is not intended as a substitute you your capabilities to think and use of reason.

In fact read in your bible, the magnificent erotic poem "The song of songs", is one of the best erotic poems ever written and is in the bible. And is an hymn to the flesh.
The cup that has milk and honey is not the Zulamith's navel, that is a wrong translation, is her pussy. So you have a reference to the pleasure of the oral sex in the old testament (!).
It is believed that the "Song of songs" is an interpolation of Egyptian origin, because she were transparent linen which is typical of the Egypt of the time.
During the Protestant reform, Sebastian Castellio against Calvino, was the first to point out clearly in modern times, that the song of songs is an erotic poem in the Bible, an hymn to the glory of the flesh and nothing to do with God. So the Bible may teach against excess, but also teach how wonderful flesh is.

The sense of guilt of Christianity about sex stems mainly from San Agustin in the fifth century. He was doing the synthesis between the grecolatin philosophy specially Plato, and the Christian writings.
He consider that the mind was the expression of superiority of the ideal over matter. He wrote that the mind should be in control of the body, and was surprised that the genitalia and nipples seems to have a mind of their own, and they go erected or enlarged as they please. So he consider that was a demonstration of the evil nature of the genitalia which could not be dominated by the superior mind. The woman body specially was evil since her nudity could made men loose control of their mind. He does not mention tickling but I suppose if he could have seen the nipples of a woman grow to the size of a mature olive just by tickling he would have deduce that tickling was evil too.

So I do not think you should feel guilty for enjoying tickling. Not at least because of the Bible.
 
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Greetings and sympathies for your confusion. Being a practicing atheist (burning Bibles, molesting the livestock of religious folk and the other typical activities) I don't know how much I can offer apart from my own experience.

For over a year I was a member of a "pornography addicts anonymous" group. This represented a part of my deeply entrenched shame for all my sexually deviant desires. I think the reason for this shame was my Christian upbringing, but I was still an atheist at the time of what I now refer to as my brainwashing. You should look to your own beliefs when deciding the truth and not allow yourself to be guilted into following the path of others. Guilt, valid or not, does a great deal to cloud thought as I've learned. Nor should society's view of "normal" be the plumbline by which you measure your life.
 
I was raised a Catholic, am a secular Franciscan and considered religious life before Drew & I found one another. I've often wondered what God thinks of things like this. In the end, it comes down to one thing for me.

This is who He made me. So, by denying it, I'd also be denying Him to some extent. I do believe that the Bible (and other Scriptural texts of other faiths) are important guides for our lives. But, we too often take things literally and/or out of context. I think it's then that we get ourselves into trouble/conflict.

One of the things we too often forget is that there are many more positive "commandments" in Scripture than there are negative ones. What does that mean? A negative commandment would be on the order of "Thou shall not kill." It tells us to not do something. We place a lot of our attention on these. But, we all too often ignore the positive ones...both stated and implied.

Here's one for you. "I wish that they may have life, and have it in abundance." If we deny who we are and who He made us, are we really living our lives in abundance? Or, by worrying more about the letter of the law than the spirit of it, are we putting roadblocks up for ourselves and those around us?

Each of us needs to decide according to our own conscience. But, in doing so, that conscience should be properly formed...and properly informed. Blindly following a list of guidelines someone else told us we had to follow isn't my idea of doing that.

Bottom line for me...? I'm faithful to what I believe...faithful to my God, faithful to my husband...and faithful to myself. To do any less would bastardize everything I am and do.
 
Like Angel... I am Catholic.. and yea at times it did seem "wrong" to me... but as she stated, its part of who I am and i dont feel giving up a part of me is the answer. Although Im not a die-hard religous person, I do believe that no one is perfect and in the end, something as small as a tickling/foot fetish isnt going to be as important as how I conducted myself in all areas of my life, if that makes any sense...
 
I feel you brother. I am a Christian in the bible belt (with a theology degree from a religious university) and I feel like slamming my head in a door frame everytime I visit this site. Not that I dont really enjoy the tickling products, clips, etc. that are on this site...but I just feel as if im turning my back on what I know and believe. Its a daily fight to hold these things in, and I fail more times than not...i feel that the fight has more or less been taken out of me.
 
If it helps: The Bible is a book written by humans. Humans who thought other people should live like they thought it was appropriate to live. Nothing that is written down in there actually comes from God! It just gives everything so much more weight if you claim 'This is what God wants, and if you don't do it, you'll so go to hell'.
 
If it helps: The Bible is a book written by humans. Humans who thought other people should live like they thought it was appropriate to live. Nothing that is written down in there actually comes from God! It just gives everything so much more weight if you claim 'This is what God wants, and if you don't do it, you'll so go to hell'.

I'm somewhat on par with this. I was brought up Catholic, and I still am, but after the things I've studied in Anthropology, Humanities, and Western Civilization, I can't deny the existence of corrupt popes who have utilized the "word of God" to manipulate people to do their bidding. I've got a lot of respect for the Bible, but I'm an Objectivist. I wasn't around to see the books of the Bible written, nor the decision-making process for which books were kept in or left out (the Catholic Bible contains the Apocrypha, which are books deemed not appropriate by other Christian religions??? I don't get it. :confused: ), so I can't blindly accept the book as the "absolute word of God".

I keep my relationship with God faith-based, and I do what I can to be a good person, based upon common sense and decency. I used to feel guilty about getting aroused by my fetishes, but I'm pretty damn sure I didn't consciously choose them. I have no idea if I was BORN this way, and evidence would lead me to believe that's not the case with me. In my younger days, I thought feet were gross, and I was self-conscious about anything tickling-related. Somewhere along the puberty time-line, things went 180, and here I am. I have no specific incidents to tie it to, however. When I'm feeling exceptionally bitter about it, I have wondered if it was a practical joke done to me by Satan to mess with me and/or God, but that was kind of a come-and-go moodiness thing. I can't reason to feel guilty about something that doesn't adversely affect myself, or those around me.
 
just to clarify...

I wasn't around to see the books of the Bible written, nor the decision-making process for which books were kept in or left out (the Catholic Bible contains the Apocrypha, which are books deemed not appropriate by other Christian religions??? I don't get it. :confused: ), so I can't blindly accept the book as the "absolute word of God".

Actually, it was the Catholic Church (at the Council of Trent, if I recall correctly) that declared certain books to be Apocryphal. All this means is that they were not deemed to be proven as inspired by God or that they included things considered to be heretical. Most other Christian faiths use the same Bible, though with a variety of "translations".

One of the biggest issue of accuracy comes from the fact that, in Biblical times, events were passed along by word of mouth. So, even for those who were present at certain events, things were not written down until much later. As we likely all know from personal experience, time tends to dilute things...sometimes to a point where they are hardly recognizable. And of course, being human, people naturally put their own twist on things.

Another issue when it comes to accuracy is that there are so many "translations" out there that are so far removed from the original text that much of the original nuances/meaning is lost. So, when we read Scripture, we need to keep this in mind...as well as the fact that translators over the years will naturally place their own understanding of things on what they're writing.

What this all comes down to in my view is that those who have faith in God need to have our own relationship with Him and trust Him to lead us to understand what He wants for us. While the various religions do their best and mean well, they are human and make mistakes.
 
Actually, it was the Catholic Church (at the Council of Trent, if I recall correctly) that declared certain books to be Apocryphal. All this means is that they were not deemed to be proven as inspired by God or that they included things considered to be heretical. Most other Christian faiths use the same Bible, though with a variety of "translations".

One of the biggest issue of accuracy comes from the fact that, in Biblical times, events were passed along by word of mouth. So, even for those who were present at certain events, things were not written down until much later. As we likely all know from personal experience, time tends to dilute things...sometimes to a point where they are hardly recognizable. And of course, being human, people naturally put their own twist on things.

Another issue when it comes to accuracy is that there are so many "translations" out there that are so far removed from the original text that much of the original nuances/meaning is lost. So, when we read Scripture, we need to keep this in mind...as well as the fact that translators over the years will naturally place their own understanding of things on what they're writing.

What this all comes down to in my view is that those who have faith in God need to have our own relationship with Him and trust Him to lead us to understand what He wants for us. While the various religions do their best and mean well, they are human and make mistakes.

Time's effect is exactly why I can't blindly accept what the original intended message was. It's like trying to read an old technical manual that's in dire need of updates. Some may be able to look at something and think, "Oh, that actually means THIS," but no one will take the initiative or is qualified to make the changes. It's got great information in there, but many want to follow "God's policy" differently. Since God probably isn't gonna directly interfere with us (at least not since the Old Testament!), could this be by design? Is he sitting back watching us with his arms crossed while smirking, like some amused grandfather, as we try to figure out the solution to a really difficult puzzle that he's not gonna give us an answer to?
 
Personally I don't think the bible should be taken literally. It has also never been interpreted by the individual people, it has always been interpreted by someone for them, usually the priests at church.

They are the ones explaining what the bible says, what Gods wishes are, and it has always been that way. The Church has always used the bible to suppress people.

I personally believe that God is in each and every single one of us, in every piece of nature, and has not very much to do with the bible.
 
From the Bible, from the Song of Songs:

http://www.thesongofsongs.com/text.html

Song of Solomon 4
Your two breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse among the lilies.

Who on earth, male or lesbian, has not contemplated with immense pleasure that great circular movement of the naked breast of a women and dream awake of at least touch them? On National Geographic, you can see the fawns jumping, at the same time in circular movement just like the nipples of a beautiful women.

And this great image, come from the Bible, so the Holly book does not reject the pleasures of the flesh. Quite the contrary. So do not worry about the bible and physical pleasure, is not forbidden. And tickling is physical pleasure, so if you like it go ahead. Is true however that the Holly book, advice about moderation, which is common sense.

From the Song of Songs

How beautiful your sandaled feet, O prince's daughter!


So is God a Feet Fetishist?

Your navel is a rounded goblet that never lacks blended wine.

Some authors consider this a reference to oral sex. Maybe.

Your breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle.


Long life to the sensual Bible. And to the erotica in the Bible.
 
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From the Bible, from the Song of Songs:

http://www.thesongofsongs.com/text.html

Song of Solomon 4
Your two breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse among the lilies.

Who on earth, male or lesbian, has not contemplated with immense pleasure that great circular movement of the naked breast of a women and dream awake of at least touch them? On National Geographic, you can see the fawns jumping, at the same time in circular movement just like the nipples of a beautiful women.

And this great image, come from the Bible, so the Holly book does not reject the pleasures of the flesh. Quite the contrary. So do not worry about the bible and physical pleasure, is not forbidden. And tickling is physical pleasure, so if you like it go ahead. Is true however that the Holly book, advice about moderation, which is common sense.

THIS, I get! Taking a passage that is supposed to invoke the appreciation of God's gifts in life, and to take something outta that subjectively, makes sense.
 
Well, this is going to be one of those posts where Vae talks way too much. I'll give a little personal history that may help you with your thoughts, it may not.

I discovered my fetish when I was about fifteen. I was terrified of it; I was barely capable of making out and yet I'm aware that tickling gets my rocks off. I didn't know what to do with that and I didn't discover that there was anyone else on earth with the same interest until I was 19 years old (when I discovered TMF). So it went on the back burner as something dark and twisted.

At sixteen and seventeen, I spent a lot of time, trying to figure out God and my beliefs. I was born and raised Catholic; I studied Paganism and Wicca. I spent a year of my life, Bible studying with Jehovah's witnesses. During that time, I had a very fundamentalist, typical belief in God. I came to believe that my fetish was an evil part of my soul that could never be satisfied.

As time went on, and God and I got into a better place, I started thinking. God created me. I am the type that does believe those sorts of things: that God is the reason why my parents married and why I was born. I believe He has a lot to do with many of those things. If God created me, with all the love he has to give, why would he give me a fetish in which was evil?

To a point, I know some would say it's the machination of Satan, if you believe in that. Personally? I came to the conclusion that God has made everyone so amazingly unique and this includes our sexual interests. It's apart of us. This isn't like drinking, smoking, swearing or cheating; those are choices. Fetishes aren't. They become a part of us, whether we like them or not.

In that case, I don't think having and acknowledging a fetish corrupts your faith or makes you a sinner. It's a part of who you are and if God loves you completely, so should you. Embrace the fetish. It's one of the many things that makes you great.
 
Yes I believe in God and was raised Catholic also. God knows your heart. Live a good life, and treat people right. I think that outweighs all.
 
This might seem a bit controversial, but considering how many Christian leaders are being exposed as child molesters, I don't think they've any right to be judging tickle fetishists for fuck's sake.
 
This may sound callous and absurd, but you could always give up your faith. If you don't believe in heaven or hell, then why be afraid of embracing your fetish? Obviously this isn't meant to prompt people to say, "Well if you take that logic a step further, that means you should allow yourself to kill, rape, torture, harm etc...."

Effing Spare Me.

Just because you don't follow any faith system doesn't automatically make you a murderer or demon. Atheists and agnostics are by no means more evil or have less morals then believers.

Besides, if you do want to keep your faith and inherently believe in the divine, then think about this: If you compare yourself to all the murderers, thieves, and criminals that believe in God, I think your fetish pales in comparison to their acts, so don't worry.
 
Give Satanism a chance. If God doesn't approve of your fetish, then go through one of his competitors just to piss him off.
 
Hey lee' n' lers,
Well, lately I have been making a return to all the things I should be doing, going to church, reading my Bible, etc. I know that the Bible says that is is sinful to lust after the flesh, and in the back of my mind I've always know that, but I guess I'm just now making an upfront connection between that and the foot tickling fetish I have nurtured for so many years. So, there seems to be a major confliction there. I just cannot imagine turning my back on this part of me, to deny it as something shameful. Are there any other christians out here that have gone through or are going through this same thing? Just looking for some input, from anybody really.

Ok, OP, this is what I think you should do: Choose to walk your own path and find your OWN definition of what it means to be a Christian; organized religion can fuck the hell off for reasons JUST like this!

I actually used to be a Christian myself when I was a wee little lad, but then I realized (like rhiannon mentioned) that the Bible is written by men. It is my belief that religious organizations such as the Vatican or whatnot, only exist to exploit people's faiths and gain money/power off of them. Furthermore I think the part about it being wrong to "lust for flesh" is in there only because it's "convenient". Back in the days they had limited resources, and if everyone had sex they would inevitably get kids since birthcontrol was absolutely unheard of, and then the population would increase too fast and everyone would starve, basically.

So yeah, don't take anything in there literally, because the writings are adapted to a society that thought that the Earth was flat and that science was a tool of satan. Hell, the Bible has probably been altered several times throughout history for purposes just like these, and that's why I ask of you: Please, please DON'T listen to the "religious elite", because as soon as there is a way to get money and power out of something, man will ALWAYS find a way to fuck it up with their greed. If you still want to be a Christian, then fine, but I think you are more likely to find the "true" faith by looking for it on your own.

You might think I'm being extremely cynical here, but let's look at it from a different perspective then: If you really think about it, you will be able to pretty easily tell what would be considered good and what would be considered bad... It's something a child could figure out most of the time, so why do you need a bunch of priests to help you with it? The answer is simple, you don't.

Is it wrong to kill? Yes, because someone suffers from it. Is it wrong to steal? Yes, because someone suffers from it. Is it wrong to indulge your fetish? No, not so long as it's consensual with anyone else who's involved. It is rather so, that if you deny your sexuality, then YOU suffer from it. And so to put this in the simplest way possible: "Now that can't be right!" :illogical

Give Satanism a chance. If God doesn't approve of your fetish, then go through one of his competitors just to piss him off.

Satanists aren't specifically anti-Christianity though. I should know, since I recently became one. ;) We're not devil-worshippers either. Maybe the LaVeyan Satanists are, on some level, but those guys are idiots. I'm shamed to say that I actually argued FOR them in some random thread here a while back, but that was before I had really taken a closer look at what they believe in. I was wrong, they're just a club of weak and gullible people who want to pretend that they're better than everyone else. Ugh... <_<

But seriously though, I'm a member of an order (currently pretty "underground") with it's own brand of Satanism, and to us it's more of a philosophy than a religion, so yay, it's win! Oh and sorry for wandering off topic I suppose. XD
 
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Madpipertn, I am in the exact same boat you are in. Tickling, of course, is viewed by people different ways. Not so much as a fetish for lots of people so I would say its easy for thoses people to say not to worry about it like that. And the way tickling goes about in the lives of many people isn't a test. I was born with the desires giving me the reactions/feelings/emotions I have for tickling and feet. It is a lust inside of me and I struggle to keep it at bay. I know if 'I' go out searching(with I have a few times) for these lust it will fuel a selfish side of me and that will not help me be a better/good person. I too believe in God and I know this is a test for me. I have been successfull going threw life in reality(assuming that the people that have come into contact with me 'visually, physically') most all my life. I've kept these secrets with me, from the people in my day life, so the temptations don't find me. I have failed miserably in selfishly letting my mind and thoughts lose as far as talking to people and browsing websites online. I have talked a little about it to previous g/fs and my previous one that tickling is an interest, but haven't told them to the level that it is. Mostly because I could tell at which point that I needed not to talk about it much further. They not being able to understand and/or I would only be fueling my selfishness. Maybe a door will open that the desires can be a part of my life without fueling lust or maybe they wont. Its very tough. I continue to fail, but with prayers and not giving up it gets easier over time.
 
I don't mean to offend or belittle the opinions stated here, but you should take into account the fact that none of us would be here if we weren't ourselves comfortable with our fetish. You were bound to get a one-sided thread from the beginning and that's what has happened.

The Devil's advocate in me says that you should ignore most of what you read here. I know, I know, how arrogant of me to presume that only my advice should be listened to. But you already know what everyone here is about to tell you what to believe. As someone who agrees with them, I still think you should decide for yourself where you stand.

Your uncertainty is a good sign. It means you are one of the very few people capable of putting your faith and identity under scrutiny. This isn't a place where you will find objective guidance, however. I wonder if perhaps you posted here knowing your desires would be affirmed to put your mind at ease. If this really does trouble you, please seek answers where you earnestly believe you will find them.
 
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