Tickle Abuse RIP

[-Hari-]

Everything has phases, wait for the next decent model to appear and all will be right with the world

 

[Dynamo Joe]

How does Pornhub stay in business, anyway? It's a massive pirating operation. Why haven't they been taken down by a class-action lawsuit?

Fetish clips are usually very expensive compared to most forms of entertainment. A dollar a minute, at that rate a movie would be 100+ dollars. I wonder if producers could get more business and reduce pirating if they lowered prices and tried to make it up in volume. Instead of 15 minutes for $15, make it 100 minutes for $25? The TickleAbuse member site seems to be something like that. I wonder how much business they do in the member site vs the clip store.

There's also the problem that Pornhub is faster, more convenient than buying clips. You just view, don't have to stop to enter payment info, wait for a download and then open it in a video viewing program. I wonder if they could make a site where you could sign up, and once you're signed up you could do one-click buying of clips and then have the site simultaneously download the clip and make it instantly start playing in the browser at the same time. (I mean a site with multiple producers, like Clips4sale instead of just one like the TickleAbuse site.)

I hadn't thought about it, but that is a good point. How is it legal for places like Pornhub to do what they do? Most clips that I have bought have a disclaimer at the front about copyrights and the FBI. So how DO they stay in business?

 

[The Tickle Room]

Ok so I am a producer and customer of TA and multiple studios around. First and foremost it is always good to give criticism and let the producer know how you feel but at the same note......most people who weigh in on this DO NOT actually even purchase TA anything or any producer for that matter. How do I know? I literally checked a ton of Pornhub profiles that stole my content and ironically they also steal from almost every other producer under the sun while having a profile on here and consistently commenting "Hey can you try this?, O when is this model coming back?, etc etc." Seriously how the fuck do you expect producers to keep models with file sharing happening all the time. Its disgusting and fucks over almost every producer including TA. Remember Prya? She was amazing and was the first to end up EVERYWHERE. Did anyone care to give a shit? No, most people actually shared it ON HERE. Which is disgusting. So you want better content and girls next door? Message the producer. Show them content you see, tell them how you feel, and maybe just maybe they will actually help you and listen. Do I think TA content is not nearly as good, yes. But from a business standpoint its smart. More content with models that will run all 3 studios with less questions, worry, etc. It also does not help when most creeps hunt the models down and message them freaking them out. Before you bash producers, especially one that changed the scene and put out amazing content think about what they go through.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

Dude, I got nothin' against ya, but..."contributing to the community"?
It wasn't like your stuff was free, or you weren't enjoying just as much yourself, right?
You found a way to monetize your kink, that's cool....but you're starting to sound like that guy who claimed he invented tickling at Renaissance Fairs.
Your studio is still #1; but in my opinion, you lost the aspects that made you the best. No biggie.

I gotta go with TR;

one that changed the scene and put out amazing content think about what they go through.

The guy reinvented the modern tickleporn video and from every indication is still the top dog of it. Whether or not I really enjoy recent output, I can't deny the guy was/is regarded as a game changer for a reason.

Dude also brings up a good point about Prya being plastered everywhere, being outed and humiliated and subsequently retiring. Probably something to think about when you're crying "Boo hoo hoo same 4 people other companies use!" constantly.

 

[Wolf]

I gotta go with TR;



The guy reinvented the modern tickleporn video and from every indication is still the top dog of it. Whether or not I really enjoy recent output, I can't deny the guy was/is regarded as a game changer for a reason.
You're kind of forgetting that he wasn't alone in the endeavor early on.

Dude also brings up a good point about Prya being plastered everywhere, being outed and humiliated and subsequently retiring. Probably something to think about when you're crying "Boo hoo hoo same 4 people other companies use!" constantly.

Nah, I don't make those complaints. For me, it's just one. Tasha left, and took the fun out of it. It was a quick downhill slide from there to where it is now. It's not bad, it's just not the same. shrug:

 

[meangry]

It's interesting the customer service side of this type of product versus other goods outside of kink life

*sips tea*

A lot of TA customer bitching is more akin to bad customers making corporate complaints. And a lot of posts are incredibly dumb, demanding models or asking for things that were explained years ago.

 

[meangry]

Nah, I don't make those complaints. For me, it's just one. Tasha left, and took the fun out of it. It was a quick downhill slide from there to where it is now. It's not bad, it's just not the same. shrug:

And I could've given a shit about Tasha.

Funny how subjective this all is.

 

[SadCuzNotTcklsh]

The real question for Tommy is - since you took a step back from the every day production, do you think there is a change in the quality of what you produce?

 

[Wolf]

And I could've given a shit about Tasha.

Funny how subjective this all is.

Yup. Different strokes, as it were.

 

[duderino84]

Nah, I don't make those complaints. For me, it's just one. Tasha left, and took the fun out of it. It was a quick downhill slide from there to where it is now. It's not bad, it's just not the same. shrug:

Agreed. It's not like models stopped being hot in videos. Just Tasha...had a talent.

 

[aj138]

As things go T.A are still way up there with the best.
I can remember going back 10+years when "Tickler In Black" was the go to man. He sold the business and things went downhill. Does anyone still comment on him? Rarely if ever.
Times change models come and go. Heck I'd love to see new vids with Pricilla James (blast from the past) but I know it'll never happen. (for you youngsters look her up)
Yes we love the old models, but as I said times change, they have families move away, and leave the business.
How many of you guys are still doing the same job from possibly 5+ years ago, not many I suspect. You find something else bigger and better, move away to somewhere else.
The same thing happens with Tommy and T.A, or any producer.

If you don't like the change then don't comment or go there. Who knows what's around the corner probably a new Tasha or Brooke and the circle starts again.

 

[The Internet]

How the heck did Tickle Abuse "change the game"? As far as I can see, it's always been a middling company, with some great clips and some lame clips, lots of them. As far as I'm concerned, it's "The House Brooke Built". I don't begrudge them a living or want them to go out of business - and I agree with the above commenter. "Who knows what's around the corner?", every company has it's peaks and valleys. But I've always seenTickle Abuse as just a modern FM Concepts or Cal-Star. For sheer volume, you're bound to strike gold sometimes. But I don't see how it's the best of all-time or was that much different than many other companies. (I'd put Brooke, though, in the all-time top 'lers, most definitely, Hall of Famer)

Brian at Real Tickling, and Jeff here, and Gabrielle at Tickling Paradise, and other companies.....those guys changed the game. Tickle Central too, though that was a little later. These companies were obviously run by people who had or understood the fetish and you started to get better models, better tickling, all kinds of styles and scenarios and they opened up the doors for all the companies that came after. And they all appeared on the scene at virtually the same time. Before that, it was mostly Harmony/Cal Star/FM Concepts. Chronologically, with all due respect, Tickle Abuse is years and years later.

PS: To the commenter above: in fact, people still do comment about TIB; someone made a thread about him within the last month.

Edit: PSS: I just noticed....this is one of TWO "Tickle Abuse"- bashing threads that were created within days of each other????? How lame! Tommy, so sorry, you certainly don't deserve that!!!! People.......there are so many companies to buy from, we have a whole section of Video Previews........go support someone else if you're so unhappy! Try living in the 90s when you'd buy an FM Concepts video for fifty bucks and out of 10 models you got one ticklish one!

 

[Oddjob0226]

If you don't like the change then don't comment or go there. Who knows what's around the corner probably a new Tasha or Brooke and the circle starts again.

Why shouldn't people comment? You are of the opinion that consumers should have just take what they are given, or should have no input upon the improvement of product being marketed to them? This philosophy seems quite dictatorial and limiting. If not for someone commenting there wouldn't be a thread here, one that is certainly expanding our knowledge of how things work. Your model would limit involvement and stop the dissemination of knowledge flat.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

How the heck did Tickle Abuse "change the game"? As far as I can see, it's always been a middling company, with some great clips and some lame clips, lots of them. As far as I'm concerned, it's "The House Brooke Built". I don't begrudge them a living or want them to go out of business - and I agree with the above commenter. "Who knows what's around the corner?", every company has it's peaks and valleys. But I've always seenTickle Abuse as just a modern FM Concepts or Cal-Star. For sheer volume, you're bound to strike gold sometimes. But I don't see how it's the best of all-time or was that much different than many other companies. (I'd put Brooke, though, in the all-time top 'lers, most definitely, Hall of Famer)

Brian at Real Tickling, and Jeff here, and Gabrielle at Tickling Paradise, and other companies.....those guys changed the game. Tickle Central too, though that was a little later. These companies were obviously run by people who had or understood the fetish and you started to get better models, better tickling, all kinds of styles and scenarios and they opened up the doors for all the companies that came after. And they all appeared on the scene at virtually the same time. Before that, it was mostly Harmony/Cal Star/FM Concepts. Chronologically, with all due respect, Tickle Abuse is years and years later.

Real Tickling, Tickling Paradise, and Jeff had all wound down or even stopped producing altogether by 2007. Then TA started really gaining traction. And then you noticed all the not-Tickle Abuse producers started looking more like Tickle Abuse videos than they were doing something new, or even borrowing elements from RT or TP anymore.

Who in the last decade dominated tickle fetish production like Tickle Abuse? Even if you argue "sheer volume" why the hell were they safety plopped at the top of the C4S charts for nearly a decade? Why can everyone name a Top 10 list of models they've had? Even the fact that they've been able to mass produce fetish videos at all is in and of itself game changing, 2 and 3 new videos from other companies coming out almost weekly in 2004.

Nobody's saying he "invented tickle fetish videos" and I'm not sure why that seems to be peoples takeaway from this, but in terms of how they're produced, how people are buying them, and yeah, people they're using and things they're doing in them, pre and post Tickle Abuse are two distinct eras.

 

[Radiohead 7140]

I loved some of the old material, and the new stuff usually isn't my cup of tea. I'm not sure why - I haven't seen a discernable decline in ticklishness or anything like that. Maybe the bondage used just doesn't do it for me or something

In any event, I don't really understand the "contributing to the community for 10 years". It isn't non-profit; clips are a dollar per minute* and if a business is suffering you can close it down, increase price, cut costs, do whatever....but I don't see how goodwill has been built against being criticized. People didn't give the Godfather 3 a free pass, I doubt they'll make concessions for fetish clips

*I do realize that much of the material ends up on pornhub and stuff - but the producer has made it clear this is unacceptable to him

 

[duderino84]

Is there a reason why usually ten minutes around here is the norm? Just asking considering many industries consider one "film" or clip or however it's considered to be something 3 to 4 times longer.....

I mean part of getting bigger is thinking bigger in the normal course of things.

 

[Aeveirra]

If pornhub and YouTube are hurting business, and essentially stealing profits....
Isn't that illigal? Each video has a copyright stamp on it for a reason, right?

Can nothing be done about the youtubers who repost this stuff, only to get money for views?
(Same thing for PornHub users)

Idk... If TA isn't directly adding these videos to other sites,
then it seems like that would be blatant theft. If so, then what can be done about it?

 

[Tenebrae]

TA was definitely a game changer a few years after it came out. And for what matters, I am glad that Tommy still cares about his baby. To be fair, I have not purchased any of his newer products, so I don't know if they are good. But they are so radically different from what he used to do that I am not surprised of the bad reviews.

I still thank him for having launched a whole batch of outstanding models. My TA fandom started with Little Dee, who is almost too perfect to be true. Seriously, I think I have never seen a greater model (granted, if you like the "American college girl" type). Then Tasha for her skill and the sheer pleasure she takes in every session. And let's not forget about Brooke and Jade, two gorgeous girls with a wicked skill. Usually, tickling sites seldom have more than one or two artists whom they can employ consistently, like Taylor Raz @ JWTies, but Tommy has brought us insanely good looking and efficient ticklers whom we could relate to. Also, his lees rarely disappointed.

I think part of the backlash TA is receiving right now is due to the fact that Tommy was known for his integrity and his uncompromising vision. No bullshit scripting, strict and innovative bondage, gorgeous "girl-next-door"/athletic types, dedicated ticklers, etc... The fact that things are changing (not necessarily for the worse) has caught his audience off-guard, especially since it wasn't announced beforehand.

Also, parts of the negative reactions may be the work of some jealous competitors who see the king vacillate. But this should not detract us from the genuine criticism that's been rightfully leveled at the new content.

 

[AbsolutelyTkld]

Is there a reason why usually ten minutes around here is the norm? Just asking considering many industries consider one "film" or clip or however it's considered to be something 3 to 4 times longer.....

I mean part of getting bigger is thinking bigger in the normal course of things.

Usually this is because of a few factors. 1. Mainly c4s charges a roller a minute. When they started, you as a producer weren't able to really discount the clip very far. I think $2 was the maximum at any time rate. (Though that recently changed) so making a smaller clip so the customer can save some money since the days before c4s they were paying $30-$50 for full half hour+ videos. It was a decent change of pace and $10 seemed to be the norm with c4s. Also, years ago. Shooting in HD meant large files needing to be uploaded and downloaded. So if I shot a video and 1080p 30fps and kept it on no to low compression that meant my 10+ minute video would be over a gig worth of download. So to make clips download and mobile device friendly. Smaller file sizes mean shorter clips to keep costs and time lower for the customer without sacrificing video quality. At least from my experience since I start producing 7 years ago.


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[Comfort Eagle]

Man I'm just gonna say it.

Brooke was never that good. Tasha was godly, but Brooke was always just "good".

Is there a reason why usually ten minutes around here is the norm? Just asking considering many industries consider one "film" or clip or however it's considered to be something 3 to 4 times longer.....

I mean part of getting bigger is thinking bigger in the normal course of things.

Frankly, I'm more annoyed that they're getting longer and longer and still doing the "dollar a minute" pricing. I feel no guilt about getting a $5 clip here and there or even dropping dime on a $10 or $14 minute one from time to time, but now I'm seeinbg guys charging like $20, sometimes as much as $35 for feature length tickle videos, usually with next to no preview to boot, and I can't imagine how much funmoney someone can have to gamble on such a pricey tickleporn like that. Tickle Room does it proper, usually selling a 25 minute video for around $12 or 15, but I think in between the problem with piracy people just assume they can make up the difference with significantly longer, higher priced videos.

And that's not even getting into the trend of videos costing more than the dollar per minute I'm seeing done more and more now (8 minutes for $12, etc).

 

[duderino84]

Hey, funds for spank-o-vision are always dwindling.

 

[Oddjob0226]

Man I'm just gonna say it.

Brooke was never that good. Tasha was godly, but Brooke was always just "good".
.

Oh, I'd have to disagree. Tasha just tickled; she was sadistic and tickled well but she didn't relate to those under her power.

Brooke teased her victims, she smiled through the whole thing as she enjoyed both the sensual side and the sadistic side of the thing. She nurtured her restrained victims as well as taunted them. She could be light and sensual or heavily intense. And she wasn't averse to using her mouth to orally please or torment her bound playmates, and was willing to take that as well.

She had a willingness and versatility that so many others at TA didn't have. The Kelli vs. Tasha showdown was good, but Kelli vs. Brooke, and seeing Brooke finally in tears, Kelli standing over her - that was mythic.

 

[AbsolutelyTkld]

I like Brooke because of her tongue skills. Like Priscilla James all over again.


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[suikoden]

Yeah Brooke was special. I loved how she could be playful, evil and sensual in the same clip and really put some of her ticklees through the wringer. I hope MJ finds that ruthless streak but she's such a cutie I'm also happy to see her on the receiving end of the tickling.

 

[SadCuzNotTcklsh]

Yeah Brooke was special. I loved how she could be playful, evil and sensual in the same clip and really put some of her ticklees through the wringer. I hope MJ finds that ruthless streak but she's such a cutie I'm also happy to see her on the receiving end of the tickling.

Those chances are high, MJ is in every single clip now….