the state of the current tickling industry

[turtleboy]

As an aside, this is also one of the reasons finding our content on pirated sites can be so difficult. They don't upload your clip as "Jane Doe from XYZ Productions", they upload it as "tickling my girlfriend". That makes it impossible to find without literally screening every video on the site by hand.

Yes, or 'lesbian bitch enjoy licking girlfriends feet' or similar...that doesn't really encourage models to come back either.

The thing that annoys me most about all of those sites is the quality reduction, especially when I spend so much time trying to keep everything I put out to a high standard. Sometimes people will try and add crappy looking filters and re-encode the clips. Even without re-encoding, the quality reduction of the clips means that they all look pretty bad. The lower quality versions then get ripped and re-posted again on other pirate sites, so my 600mb clip is now 45mb and basically looking like dogshit...it's a really bad advert for videos that I put so much time and effort into making look clean and sharp.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

And frankly, anyone who puts their face in front of a camera is giving up control of who can put them anywhere. It's Simple.

Well then I wouldn't throw shitfits about "same old models!" as a result of not being able to snag new people.

 

[Uktickler]

I agree, this is the greatest issue, in so much as what one sees as an accepted generality, is in fact subjectively detailed. I've given up trying to figure out what will be enjoyed by the masses. There are models I've shot with whom I thought would not be well received and have turned out to sell very well. Likewise, there are those I was sure would be wildly popular, and they were not. Or were, however it's worth mentioning popular does not mean sales. Rose Star was one of my most "popular" models, with multiple people reaching out to ask when she will shoot again. However she has only sold 5 or 6 total clips - so, no can book.

Which again brings me back to the idea of customs. Say exactly what you want. Pay for exactly what you want. Quality over quantity no?

First I want to say THANK YOU for your reply. I am totally on the same page with you and have actually contacted 2 different producers about customs in the past and neither could help. More unfortunate than anything but my chosen model/s where no longer available. I do think on that note it would be great if producors would have a clear pricing policy laid out for custom clips on their sites too. Some seem to want to charge hundreds and there is litterally no guarantee that it will be a clip that floats your boat so to speak, as we have already discussed many things are subjective.

 

[SoleMates]

First I want to say THANK YOU for your reply.

Thank you, as well, for taking the time to type out such a lengthy and informative lump of feedback without framing it as "what I want is what everyone wants! Do it my way or YOU SUCK". You acknowledge that what you like is what you like, and you'd like to see more of it, but also that it's a personal thing.

I'll definitely keep it in mind for the future, even though I can't guarantee that I'll be able to produce anything like it. I get the feeling M/F is not your thing, which is a strike against me right there.

on that note it would be great if producors would have a clear pricing policy laid out for custom clips on their sites too. Some seem to want to charge hundreds and there is litterally no guarantee that it will be a clip that floats your boat so to speak, as we have already discussed many things are subjective.

This is another reason KinkBomb is great; the custom clip order form lays out pricing very clearly and allows the producer to really drill down what they offer. It's like ordering off of a menu.

Rule of thumb, though, is that they all charge hundreds of dollars per clip because they have to cover the cost of the model for the time it'll take to do the shoot, as well as some for themselves, and a bit extra to make some profit, because there's no point in taking a loss.

That said, it is unfortunate that the risk is there that we may produce something that the customer isn't happy with, after all's said and done. I was actually kind of nervous that this would happen when I shot "Tickled Blue" (my first custom) last month, mostly because if there needed to be any reshoots Kim would have expected to be paid for it and I'd already gotten her to take a pay cut so the customer could afford the video in the first place. It's a balancing act, but we do our best.

 

[duderino84]

Well then I wouldn't throw shitfits about "same old models!" as a result of not being able to snag new people.

I believe I was originally the "overused ideas" complainer. Hey, here's an idea, why not make efforts to protect the identities of "models"? Maybe they aren't thinking that horny guys actually watch? Maybe there's other measures vs blaming other people? You do know about screen capture software, right? That's Another thing that takes away the barrier of making watch only videos on Vimeo.

 

[duderino84]

You'd be surprised at the lengths people will go to to crop, cover up, or otherwise remove your watermarks.

Movies, etc. are hurt by piracy, true, but they still take in enough sales to be profitable. Also, those industries have far more resources available to explore alternative methods of distribution to minimize the issue. Most of us are literally shooting on Handicams and editing in our bedrooms. The few who aren't are the ones able to even consider it, and there aren't enough of them to radically change the industry... assuming they can do it without shutting the rest of us out entirely. Do you want to go back to the days of being at the mercy of the only six studios in town?

No, I'd like some realism. If your cam isn't good, not my problem. If your video ends up on facebook, not my problem; look into video formats facebook DOESN'T support. Watermark! It's one measure that few people take, and then they upload clips in 720p. Protect models privacy by actually notifying them what this shit is for. Tickling post did really well offering face masks to people laughing. Cameras SHOULD make people aware of how they look. If they don't, that's not my problem. For real, ya, you're not making your sales goals, but at least once someone purchased your clips, if you're complaining about piracy. It's Not like someone hacked C4S.

Sometimes I just think people act like we're still living in the days of VCR tech.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

No, I'd like some realism. If your cam isn't good, not my problem. If your video ends up on facebook, not my problem; look into video formats facebook DOESN'T support. Watermark! It's one measure that few people take, and then they upload clips in 720p. Protect models privacy by actually notifying them what this shit is for. Tickling post did really well offering face masks to people laughing. Cameras SHOULD make people aware of how they look. If they don't, that's not my problem. For real, ya, you're not making your sales goals, but at least once someone purchased your clips, if you're complaining about piracy. It's Not like someone hacked C4S.

Sometimes I just think people act like we're still living in the days of VCR tech.

What exactly do you think a watermark does? Watermarks don't keep them off of pornhub.

You're doing a whole lot of "Hey, not MY problem!" and then proceeding to demonstrate you know fuck all about what you're talking about. Do you throw shit on PornHub and are trying to rationalize how everyone elses fuck ups lead to that happening or something?

Seriously, you've said "watermark" about a dozen times now. What do you think those actually do?

 

[duderino84]

What exactly do you think a watermark does? Watermarks don't keep them off of pornhub.

You're doing a whole lot of "Hey, not MY problem!" and then proceeding to demonstrate you know fuck all about what you're talking about. Do you throw shit on PornHub and are trying to rationalize how everyone elses fuck ups lead to that happening or something?

Seriously, you've said "watermark" about a dozen times now. What do you think those actually do?

You don't think it's easier to file a copyright claim if someone knows what the hell it actually is?

You do realize clips end up on other Sites other than pornhub? Do you really think you'll get some compensation from sites if you get videos taken down? I'm just trying to point out piracy is inevitable, the way to deal with it isn't to try and slam everyone, but make your product clearly identifiable in the future so someone can't just post "tickling hot milf". People don't cover their asses often enough. Just like informing girls you tickle that they'll be on the net and an unpredictable amount of views can be imminent.

Then we end up with the great one-time model who disappears.

If you aim to get big it's about thinking big. This is universal to all the arts. I think people make good content and then don't add the finishing touches to their work that establishes them. It happens in music and I see it happen with videos.

You can't crop out watermarks without cropping out the video if you use good key frames on the zoom level. ...

 

[SoleMates]

You can't crop out watermarks without cropping out the video if you use good key frames on the zoom level. ...

No, in those cases they just slap a bit of clipart over it.

At this point I have no idea what the fuck we're even arguing about.

 

[duderino84]

No, in those cases they just slap a bit of clipart over it.

At this point I have no idea what the fuck we're even arguing about.

I was trying to make a point for branding. When on prettymuch every social network I find tickleGIFS, videos, comics and pictures, I'm just feeling annoyed. Especially when I've bought my share. And I feel like tickling porn has yet to hit it's peak.

 

[Uktickler]

Thank you, as well, for taking the time to type out such a lengthy and informative lump of feedback without framing it as "what I want is what everyone wants! Do it my way or YOU SUCK". You acknowledge that what you like is what you like, and you'd like to see more of it, but also that it's a personal thing.

I'll definitely keep it in mind for the future, even though I can't guarantee that I'll be able to produce anything like it. I get the feeling M/F is not your thing, which is a strike against me right there.



This is another reason KinkBomb is great; the custom clip order form lays out pricing very clearly and allows the producer to really drill down what they offer. It's like ordering off of a menu.

Rule of thumb, though, is that they all charge hundreds of dollars per clip because they have to cover the cost of the model for the time it'll take to do the shoot, as well as some for themselves, and a bit extra to make some profit, because there's no point in taking a loss.

That said, it is unfortunate that the risk is there that we may produce something that the customer isn't happy with, after all's said and done. I was actually kind of nervous that this would happen when I shot "Tickled Blue" (my first custom) last month, mostly because if there needed to be any reshoots Kim would have expected to be paid for it and I'd already gotten her to take a pay cut so the customer could afford the video in the first place. It's a balancing act, but we do our best.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

In terms of my preferences actually I do think I am probably in the majority of tickle lovers. As it happens I do like M/F if you read my earlier post many of my favourite studios are M/F (Frenchtickling and shy&wild) the key for me is merciless barefoot tickling preferably in a facedown (soles up) position (as per my previous post I realise Im not being specific enough there but just trying to give you the 'general' idea) and I do personally think there is a MASSIVE shortage of that right now. Seems stocks (one version or another) are what most producers prefer, but they always have the girl / ticklee seated where I would prefer her feet soles up so if using stocks would have the girl face down or kneeling.

So I do honestly believe if someone was to make a clip that I loved it would be a big seller, as my tick boxes seem to be very common in the tickle fetish world. From time to time a producer will naturally create a clip that is perfect (or almost perfect) for me so from that point of view those producers must think my desire is 'mainstream' as far as tickle fetish is concerned (hope that is making sense).

I do totally understand about having to cover the cost of creating the clip.

I would never say "Do it my way or YOU SUCK" although I do think that alot of tickle producers (particularly the smaller ones) do what turns them on, and that is totally 100% fine, they are doing what gives them kicks and the money is a bonus. IF they are wanting to do it for money then they would really focus on what the market wants and what is missing and would offer that (it is no different to any other business in that respect, figure out what the customers want and sell that to them again and again kerching). When I used to frequently buy tickleabuse clips they used to make the type I liked that is when they moved to the top of the board on clips4sale I notice they are currently down to number 2 so clearly I am not the only customer who is no longer buying their stuff like before. They used to have a great face down device but I have not seen that in used since 2013 yet when it was those clips where some of their best sellers (Again this is according to the clips4sale leaderboards at the time).

I am pleased and not surprised to see Tickling in Russia rising up the listings, they produce alot in the postions I enjoy and sometimes they are very intense, what they lack is consistancy and preview clips so you dont know what you are buying so with them I tend to wait until I have seen that girl in a clip (very often that will be through a pirate version) and THEN I go and buy other clips with that same girl, I would so love them to do preview clips so I could then decide what to buy without waiting for someone to leak their full clips and they would make more money too. But I can't tell them what to do and clearly what they are already doing is working for them.

The funny thing is the site that is currently at number 1 "FTKL's Foot & Tickling Fantasies" on clips4sale is really not my cup of tea, I really hate nylon tickling clips (nylons remind me of my gandmas feet sorry just not sexy) and on their first page right now every single preview image has the ticklee sitting down with her feet up not a single hogtie or face down tickling clip to be seen (I can see the gap in the market).

Back in the day Silver cherry used the positions I enjoy so did tickled to Death (I think he was called Mitch), but now every producer seems to just want to have the girl sit down but I am not interested in that.

I did just check out Shyn wild and ALL HAIL JAMES DARKE his latest clip features a hot girl hogtied and barefoot tickled oh yea! Damn I can feel a purchase coming one, oh incase anyone is wondering its this clip http://clips4sale.com/shy-and-wild-tickling/Darke+Intruder+1:+Part+2+-+MP4+1080

So there you go hope that helps. I did have a quick look over your store and I could only see 4 clips non of which where of my taste (in case I was looking at the wrong store this is wher eI looked http://www.sole-mates.us ) Oddly at the top of the page it says you have 349 clips but I can only see 4 of them so maybe it is my browser I will look again from a different computor later as that does not seem right.

 

[SoleMates]

While it's true that selling "what the market wants" is a no-brainer, it's not as simple as that. First issue is, you're competing with studios that are already doing that better than you can, as a startup. Secondly, "what the market wants" is a moving target masked by deception. Witness all the calls for "girls next door" but the top studios are all making bank off of cookie-cutter stocks and hairbrush videos.

So there you go hope that helps. I did have a quick look over your store and I could only see 4 clips non of which where of my taste (in case I was looking at the wrong store this is wher eI looked http://www.sole-mates.us ) Oddly at the top of the page it says you have 349 clips but I can only see 4 of them so maybe it is my browser I will look again from a different computor later as that does not seem right.

Yeah, that's definitely weird. See if you can turn on eternal scrolling, make sure you're not accidentally filtering by category or a search term, and sure, give another browser a go. Also, the paging feature should be right at the top/bottom of the page. I do have some face-down stuff so if you can't find them let me know and I'll see what I can do. Kim and Priti, for sure. Maybe April...

 

[lioclips]

First I want to say THANK YOU for your reply. I am totally on the same page with you and have actually contacted 2 different producers about customs in the past and neither could help. More unfortunate than anything but my chosen model/s where no longer available. I do think on that note it would be great if producors would have a clear pricing policy laid out for custom clips on their sites too. Some seem to want to charge hundreds and there is litterally no guarantee that it will be a clip that floats your boat so to speak, as we have already discussed many things are subjective.

No problem, you're welcome. I can see how it may be easier said than done from a consumer standpoint as well. I'm only able to speak for myself, but it isn't always super easy when you don't have a regular cast of models you shoot with. As for rates, different models will have a different compensatory rate.

The one thing I can say with great certainty is PLEASE have the idea of what you want fleshed out as much as possible, with as much detail prior to contacting a producer for a custom. I think most of them will work as hard as they can to give you what it is you're paying for and it's always easier to pare down, than it is to have to go back and rethink the project because a customer keeps thinking of additional details to add. It also avoids a waste of time from the beginning, because you know straight off whether or not it's something that can be accommodated or not.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

You don't think it's easier to file a copyright claim if someone knows what the hell it actually is?

You do realize clips end up on other Sites other than pornhub? Do you really think you'll get some compensation from sites if you get videos taken down? I'm just trying to point out piracy is inevitable,

You can get a video taken down with proper DMCA channels regardless of what's on it, that's not the point. That they go up, get downloaded, taken down, put back up, downloaded more, etc

the way to deal with it isn't to try and slam everyone, but make your product clearly identifiable in the future so someone can't just post "tickling hot milf". People don't cover their asses often enough. Just like informing girls you tickle that they'll be on the net and an unpredictable amount of views can be imminent.

What the fuck are you even talking about? Most people who post PornHub videos DO deliberately make up vague, bullshit names to avoid being seen. What are you even trying to communicate? If you watermark a video with "Tickle Abuses's Powerlifter!" across the top of the screen, it would only ever be uploaded as that?

And then I'm just ignoring everything else your saying because it seems like you're trying to mix "not making enough money from sales" and "Hey I seem to be listed on a graphic porn website, looks like I won't be making those videos again!" into one problem and it's not. Properly branding a tickle video next to forced orgasm and facefucking videos isn't going to solve anything when the problem is that they're on websites that feature forced orgasm and facefucking videos in the first place.

You almost kind of tried to address this with "Well why not just cover the face?", but then just proceeded to ramble. Do you think if people make it very clear "No no, this isn't REGULAR porn, it's a tickle fetish video!" that it's supposed to solve the problem or something?

 

[Uktickler]

While it's true that selling "what the market wants" is a no-brainer, it's not as simple as that. First issue is, you're competing with studios that are already doing that better than you can, as a startup. Secondly, "what the market wants" is a moving target masked by deception. Witness all the calls for "girls next door" but the top studios are all making bank off of cookie-cutter stocks and hairbrush videos.

I can understand it may feel like a moving target but I assure you it is not. My sexual preference has remained the same for years and I suspect that is the same for many people. lol I personally really don't like the 'cookie cutter stocks' but then with the right model it can be good, but the hairbrush I love that, I would have baby oil and hairbrush cookie cutter style in every freaking clip if I had my way I simply cannot get enough of it. So you see cookie cutter (assuming we have the same meaning of it, being rolling out the same thing over and over) is not a bad thing if that 'thing' you are rolling out is what people want to buy.

Yeah, that's definitely weird. See if you can turn on eternal scrolling, make sure you're not accidentally filtering by category or a search term, and sure, give another browser a go. Also, the paging feature should be right at the top/bottom of the page. I do have some face-down stuff so if you can't find them let me know and I'll see what I can do. Kim and Priti, for sure. Maybe April...

Thought you might like to know I have found the issue it was my Safari settings, had almost all plugins turned off after I turned them back on the page worked and I could get to the next page.

I put infinite scroll on and looked through all your 2016 videos only one of the images was tempting enough to make me want to watch the preview (and KUDOS for having a preview clip, as I said no preview for me = no sale) sadly however when I watched the preview I quickly realised that clip was not for me. I stopped scrolling somewhere in December 2015. The content you are making does not appear to be to my taste.

 

[Uktickler]

No problem, you're welcome. I can see how it may be easier said than done from a consumer standpoint as well. I'm only able to speak for myself, but it isn't always super easy when you don't have a regular cast of models you shoot with. As for rates, different models will have a different compensatory rate.

The one thing I can say with great certainty is PLEASE have the idea of what you want fleshed out as much as possible, with as much detail prior to contacting a producer for a custom. I think most of them will work as hard as they can to give you what it is you're paying for and it's always easier to pare down, than it is to have to go back and rethink the project because a customer keeps thinking of additional details to add. It also avoids a waste of time from the beginning, because you know straight off whether or not it's something that can be accommodated or not.

I can totally see your issue with different models wanting different rates and how that can mess up costing. Although you could make a page showing which models are available for customs and what their prices are and that would solve that issue. If one is charging too much and no one orders her customs thats her loss.

I have just had a look over your store now too, you do have some more tempting looking clips but no previews so I can't be sure if I would like them or not which is possibly why I am not familiar with your store already.

 

[duderino84]

What the fuck are you even talking about? Most people who post PornHub videos DO deliberately make up vague, bullshit names to avoid being seen. What are you even trying to communicate? If you watermark a video with "Tickle Abuses's Powerlifter!" across the top of the screen, it would only ever be uploaded as that?

And then I'm just ignoring everything else your saying because it seems like you're trying to mix "not making enough money from sales" and "Hey I seem to be listed on a graphic porn website, looks like I won't be making those videos again!" into one problem and it's not.

Yes. Why not go the deliberate route and put the producer name and clip name in some area where it's visible enough it can't get ripped off?

As far as models getting pissed/leaving, if they didn't realize that the age of the internet now basically makes everything everybody's business (even your "experiments" or whatever you refer to them as), it's either negligent or stupid on both ends. That should be a given, I literally shouldn't even have to clarify that. Facebook doesn't give a shit what kind of file it is, it's a "video" of something so they post it and so long as nobody complains they keep it. It's fucking data.

Part of "making the sale" is promoting. You can't sell out the local shithole bar to a concert by saying "well, if you want _____ is playing...you know, could be alright" and you can't sell tickling clips if you A: don't advertise who the fuck you are and what the fuck you're selling, and B: Don't seem to care what the user wants.

Properly branding a tickle video next to forced orgasm and facefucking videos isn't going to solve anything when the problem is that they're on websites that feature forced orgasm and facefucking videos in the first place.

You almost kind of tried to address this with "Well why not just cover the face?", but then just proceeded to ramble. Do you think if people make it very clear "No no, this isn't REGULAR porn, it's a tickle fetish video!" that it's supposed to solve the problem or something?

The "problem" isn't going to be fixed. I keep trying to explain to you, if people want to pirate, they'll find a way, and you keep blowing it off. Some people actually buy the clips, I'm sure at least one person for every clip that's been posted put money down before they put it up on whatever site. And some people are interested in knowing who actually made the clip. Which lack of watermarking (again) makes anyone who bumbled to whoever's clip from anywhere but C4S clueless.

Also, Not every user is there for the same thing. Personally I look for most things other than tickling if I'm looking for anything at all. The search engines on the other hand take whatever key word is the most common and slam you with that. You don't think I've had friends randomly pull up tickling porn clips for a laugh when I've visited their apartments? There's another factor.

Again, whatever niceties you try to apply to the films you do, they're simply fap material to other people. So I don't know why you're surprised someone would post elsewhere and get whoever you filmed pissed. You could've taken the proactive approach to helping someone disguise their identity but you didn't. And complaining about it here is no better than me complaining that I don't (often) find play partners who are enthused to hang with me (at least everyone else seems to push that theory).

This shit is stupid to me, but I understand why people think what they think.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

You really are just a wutless buffoon.

Yes. Why not go the deliberate route and put the producer name and clip name in some area where it's visible enough it can't get ripped off?

I don't understand what the fuck this means. By the finished, purchased-for-profit product being available in it's entirety for free, it's being ripped off. PornHub has videos with watermarks on them that will stay up unless DMCA'd, the watermark or any identifying asset makes no difference if you don't DMCA, and furthermore, no identifying element is needed to file a DMCA to begin with. Are you trying to do the "well if people get the album for free, they'll go to a concert and they'll make back the money that way!" argument? Because that doesn't even work for music, let alone porn.

As far as models getting pissed/leaving, if they didn't realize that the age of the internet now basically makes everything everybody's business (even your "experiments" or whatever you refer to them as), it's either negligent or stupid on both ends. That should be a given, I literally shouldn't even have to clarify that. Facebook doesn't give a shit what kind of file it is, it's a "video" of something so they post it and so long as nobody complains they keep it. It's fucking data.

Due in no small part to idiots like you who just fling it whereever thinking "Hey, shoulda thought of that before!".

Part of "making the sale" is promoting. You can't sell out the local shithole bar to a concert by saying "well, if you want _____ is playing...you know, could be alright" and you can't sell tickling clips if you A: don't advertise who the fuck you are and what the fuck you're selling, and B: Don't seem to care what the user wants.

The "problem" isn't going to be fixed. I keep trying to explain to you, if people want to pirate, they'll find a way, and you keep blowing it off. Some people actually buy the clips, I'm sure at least one person for every clip that's been posted put money down before they put it up on whatever site. And some people are interested in knowing who actually made the clip. Which lack of watermarking (again) makes anyone who bumbled to whoever's clip from anywhere but C4S clueless.

Handing out the entire finished product isn't promotion either, the fuck is the matter with you that you don't understand that? How in the hell are people missing out on some amazing viral promotion? the entire product they're selling is going up for free. They're not getting money off of it now, it's literally up for free. it wasn't a sample portion, it's the entire finished product. How many people on this very forum have admitted they won't buy clips when they know in 3 weeks they'll be up for free?

Also, Not every user is there for the same thing. Personally I look for most things other than tickling if I'm looking for anything at all. The search engines on the other hand take whatever key word is the most common and slam you with that. You don't think I've had friends randomly pull up tickling porn clips for a laugh when I've visited their apartments? There's another factor.

... what?

Again, whatever niceties you try to apply to the films you do, they're simply fap material to other people. So I don't know why you're surprised someone would post elsewhere and get whoever you filmed pissed. You could've taken the proactive approach to helping someone disguise their identity but you didn't. And complaining about it here is no better than me complaining that I don't (often) find play partners who are enthused to hang with me (at least everyone else seems to push that theory).

This shit is stupid to me, but I understand why people think what they think.

No you're stupid, it makes total sense to everyone else. They agreed to do tickle fetish videos that are, assumed, to stay on tickle fetish sites. "Well, why didn't you think of me throwing it everywhere else?!" isn't an argument, you should know not to do that. I don't care that you personally don't understand why you're not supposed to, normal people do.

I've said it before, you people can't demand one thing (fresh, non-"industry" women), go out of your way to make it a problem for everyone involved, and then walk around saying shit like "Well hey you need to be giving us what we want" when you'll then turn around and make rambling arguments why it should be expected people will be getting the material for free in the end anyway.

And it's literally just TMF people doing this, I've seen producers that have never posted here at all never get their shit spread like this. It's something wrong with you people specifically that drives you to behave this way and it seems like it almost needs to be trolled out of you. You as a whole are just amazingly bizarre, hateable people that seem to be completely unable to relate to -or understand the ways of- the world around you. it's baffling.

 

[lioclips]

I can totally see your issue with different models wanting different rates and how that can mess up costing. Although you could make a page showing which models are available for customs and what their prices are and that would solve that issue. If one is charging too much and no one orders her customs thats her loss..

That would seem to be a simple solution, however it would actually lead to a lot more back and forth/negotiating. The price is much more dependent upon what specifically is being asked for. 1 scene, stationary camera? 2 models vs 1? Multple or a single lee? Actual script with specific lines/outfits? Quick example, one customer wanted a model tickled in for separate scenes. Well instead of charging him a rate 4x, I gave him two 2 for 1 deals.

I suppose in your scenario you could say a model would be missing out, but from her perspective, it'd be the same as any other gig she passes on due to low compensation.

I have just had a look over your store now too, you do have some more tempting looking clips but no previews so I can't be sure if I would like them or not which is possibly why I am not familiar with your store already.

I stopped bothering with the 10sec preview on C4S because it really didn't give an indication of the clip. Of course virtually all clips I've produced have previews on this site in the video section. As I mentioned in an earlier post, my clipstore activity is practically identical now to when I used to have previews plastered on several forums, youtube, my facebook, etc.

 

[duderino84]

You really are just a wutless buffoon.

Disagree

I don't understand what the fuck this means. By the finished, purchased-for-profit product being available in it's entirety for free, it's being ripped off. PornHub has videos with watermarks on them that will stay up unless DMCA'd, the watermark or any identifying asset makes no difference if you don't DMCA, and furthermore, no identifying element is needed to file a DMCA to begin with. Are you trying to do the "well if people get the album for free, they'll go to a concert and they'll make back the money that way!" argument? Because that doesn't even work for music, let alone porn.

We've agreed previously that it's a loss, we're trying to discuss loss prevention. Depends what you mean, if someone pays at the door some bands even hand out physical copies of their stuff. But you don't consider that

Due in no small part to idiots like you who just fling it whereever thinking "Hey, shoulda thought of that before!".

So cry about it? I'll reiterate, I don't share anything. If I see it up on tumblr, facebook, instagram etc, It's not me. I see nothing wrong with being a spectator. Again, learn to cover your ass, and people won't be able to fuck your business over. If you create the content, control it. These are not difficult concepts.

Handing out the entire finished product isn't promotion either, the fuck is the matter with you that you don't understand that? How in the hell are people missing out on some amazing viral promotion? the entire product they're selling is going up for free. They're not getting money off of it now, it's literally up for free. it wasn't a sample portion, it's the entire finished product. How many people on this very forum have admitted they won't buy clips when they know in 3 weeks they'll be up for free?

Welcome to the game. You have to convince people your product is selling. Frenchtickling doesn't complain; tickleabuse doesn't complain. Ever take a moment to think maybe you're not as great as you think? But you know, that's the dumb asshole in me coming out. Dude, the point of the whole concert thing was you don't go to the local watering hole to try to get people to come see your stuff. You pick a good venue that holds a substantial amount of people and you don't grab any generic band but bands that actually have a status. I have a buddy who even films each band that plays his shows and youtubes them; doesn't mean shit if nobody's interested

... what?

See, there's this thing called "diversifying". I "diversify" my interests by searching for other things than those that interest me on porn sites. You should try it.

No you're stupid, it makes total sense to everyone else. They agreed to do tickle fetish videos that are, assumed, to stay on tickle fetish sites. "Well, why didn't you think of me throwing it everywhere else?!" isn't an argument, you should know not to do that. I don't care that you personally don't understand why you're not supposed to, normal people do.

I've said it before, you people can't demand one thing (fresh, non-"industry" women), go out of your way to make it a problem for everyone involved, and then walk around saying shit like "Well hey you need to be giving us what we want" when you'll then turn around and make rambling arguments why it should be expected people will be getting the material for free in the end anyway.

Apparently, not to my people. And you can't just churn out the same video a hundred times over with a different model each time and expect people to stay entertained. Do you actually read or do you just rage type? Have you ever considered how many sales C4S actually garners? Do you think that the numbers are really high or something and it's "just the tickle producers" that get screwed over? If your material isn't earning income, it's not some personal attack, it's the simple fact that someone didn't like the clip enough to buy it.

And it's literally just TMF people doing this, I've seen producers that have never posted here at all never get their shit spread like this. It's something wrong with you people specifically that drives you to behave this way and it seems like it almost needs to be trolled out of you. You as a whole are just amazingly bizarre, hateable people that seem to be completely unable to relate to -or understand the ways of- the world around you. it's baffling.

You people? What do you mean You people? You mean the ones that can't buy every clip they see? Those kinds of people? The kinds that buy clips from producers that shut down? Those kinds of people? Tell me more about the people you hate. We're talking about the state of the industry. People submitted opinions. You're pissed because you're not hearing what you want to hear. Really, YOU amaze me that you think people just consume whatever's put in front of them

 

[FeatherEndeavor]

It's not me. I see nothing wrong with being a spectator.

People would have no reason to post the content if nobody was watching. So actually spectators are part of the problem.

 

[duderino84]

People would have no reason to post the content if nobody was watching. So actually spectators are part of the problem.

Trust me, it gets old quick. Just like seeing a bunch of clips I actually paid for get posted on these sites by other people. I have my own little library and I stick with that when it comes to tickling.

 

[torturoustickle]

There's a lot of good producers out there. I find the problem is that there is almost as many bad ones.
I have my favourites like most people, and tend to stick to them.

 

[tickltulz]

Watermarks, no watermarks. Intensity, fakery. It still boils down to the same problem: Piracy. Copyright infringement. Theft. The worst part being that much of it done by ticklers and tickle producers to each other (as admitted by one in another post). This part of it is like slicing your own throat and then complaining that you're thirsty but can't swallow. Tickers don't seem to grasp the concept that they are STEALING. They are as guilty as the porn sites. Ticklers do NOT have a right to take money out of a producers pocket and post anyone's materials without permission and then complain about the films. They act as if it's perfectly alright to do so because someone else stole it and posted it on a porn site. Childish. The porn sites are also stealing and no one does anything about it either. By law producers have a right to be paid for as many hits that clip got while posted. But I'll bet no producer ever got a dime or won a court case over it. They'd have to spend months in court. As for copyright protection and piracy, well it's a pretty safe conclusion to say it will never be abolished and there's very little help out there. Even if you file a complaint it's already gotten 1000 hits so you've lost all that money. If those problems were all fixed the producers would make better money and might have incentive to add more realism and hardcore films. What's the incentive now? To feed the pirates? Better to just make what sells the best, and that's what they do.

You want diversity, intensity and genuine tickle torture clips? Seek them privately. I've seen hardcore tickling torture films on Fetlife from private producers [at their parties] and believe me these films would blow everyone else off the market if placed on C4S. The quality and intensity really make you stop and catch your breath. But these producers do not feed into that market for the very same reasons: Piracy. They know they'll be ripped off and treated as other producers here are treated. So they have learned not to bother.

What a strange game. The only winning move is -- not to play. How about a nice game of chess, Professor Falken?

 

[weezl]

You know, when I was around 13 or 14, I used to get so turned on by the idea of watching a beautiful woman getting tied down and tickled like crazy. I never thought it would turn into this. Dream come true. I just wish I could start my own company and do this, but I'm not really into the idea of managing a business.

We've gotta protect our dreams guys. And this massivve issue with piracy is threatening that big time.