about ftkl / tickleante

[cletus]

This post will highlight why I've always been very frustrated with most of the tickling producers. Incredibly lazy people who just think that what they are putting out there I should just fork over a LOT of money (literally thousands since 2000) and they are supposed to do no work in advertising why I should buy their content. No test drives at a car dealership? No free sample in the grocery aisle? No free sample on page 5 of a magazine for this cologne we want you to buy for the rest of your life cause you'll like it that much. Most producers put up no good previews on clips4sale. Heck only a gif most of the time.

I get FTKL's idea of not posting to clips4sale anymore as they take half of what the producers make? So he makes a website where we can be nicer to him and give him 100% of what he lists the the clips for. Fine, but then do me the favor of posting actual previews. ACTUAL reasons for me to buy your stuff. Instead I ask him on Twitter if he has someone posting his content to his website (because honestly I don't know. I've never ran a website) because if he does this person should be canned as they're not helping him promote his material very well. So I get this response back.

Well then maybe you won't get another dollar from me after the over $1000 I've given you since whenver you started on clips4sale if you're going to take that attitude with me. Just a warning to other people on here as well who might buy his material. Keep buying the stuff without any idea if it's any good and then when you ask him for proof he blocks you on Twitter. Ass more than class.

I think he's forgetting a few things. 1) I'm the customer. You should give me good customer service. 2) All producers make garbage clips. I've been burned way too often on spending money on a clip because the gif looked great and then the ticklee had a weird laugh, was faking it, wasn't that ticklish, etc. FTKL just because you are one of the top 5 tickling producers on clips4sale doesn't mean you don't make garbage clips half the time, because you do. You have cheated me sometimes.

 

[DrTickle1123]

I wouldn't say ALL producers make garbage clips...if anything that's a direct insult to the few genuine good producers (who actually upload decent previews, yes they are hard to find) but they're out there. I've never been a fan of FTKL mostly cause of their strict use of fetish models only, hard to follow along scripts (no series needs 49 parts lol) and fake ticklish reactions. Either way, I'm sorry to see you go through this. One thing I always say is the biggest pain is deciding whether or not to buy a clip based off a frickin' screenshot that makes the clip look like it has SOME potential. That or a 6 second preview, only to buy the clip and realize it isn't what you were expecting at all

 

[Comfort Eagle]

ngl that it took him six months to come back with that was funny.

But yeah an overreaction for sure.

 

[cletus]

One thing I always say is the biggest pain is deciding whether or not to buy a clip based off a frickin' screenshot that makes the clip look like it has SOME potential. That or a 6 second preview, only to buy the clip and realize it isn't what you were expecting at all

This is the gist of my post. EVERY producer that I have bought more than 3 clips from has cheated me at least once. UNLESS they have ALWAYS posted a solid 1 minute preview that really helps me decide whether to give them a portion of my 10k/year 2003, 30k/year 2010, or now 60k/year. I'm not rich like them or some consumers who can blow a few hundred dollars for a custom or just buy everything they see like some drug addict who doesn't debate whether buying more cocaine is a good idea.

 

[cletus]

ngl that it took him six months to come back with that was funny.

But yeah an overreaction for sure.

ComfortEagle to be fair to him it didn't take him 6 months to come back. That was a seperate issue where when I did buy a clip from his store (not the C4S store) I couldn't figure out how to get my clip at first because it wasn't as obvious as C4S takes you to a download page. He's just replying to my calling him out for wanting $20 for the new Sophia clip he posted to his store without any way of me knowing whether she is the kind of girl I like to watch get tickled. God forbid he should give good customer service. Like I said, he has a high enough opinion of himself, what with being a fit 50 something into martial arts who gets hot chicks to come by and shoot tickling porn with him guy? How dare some nobody question his lack of proper advertising.

 

[Soles_Scream]

Hello Cletus.

You should never lead a conversation with anyone with suggesting that anyone be fired without knowing the full story. How would you react if someone said that to you? I’m assuming that is why you got the response you received.

There’s a way to provide constructive feedback without such language. Very few people would respond to a comment like that no matter how much content one bought.

Let’s also keep in mind that you bought his content to consume. Just like the rest of his costumers. That is
My only reply on the subject.

I encourage everyone who sees this thread to look at the DM convo and see if you wouldn’t take offense to it.

Lastly, FTKL is someone I admire a great deal and treats folks fairly as long as they have a baseline of respect. I did not see respect in your last DM to him.

 

[cletus]

Hello Cletus.

You should never lead a conversation with anyone with suggesting that anyone be fired without knowing the full story. How would you react if someone said that to you? I’m assuming that is why you got the response you received.

There’s a way to provide constructive feedback without such language. Very few people would respond to a comment like that no matter how much content one bought.

Let’s also keep in mind that you bought his content to consume. Just like the rest of his costumers. That is
My only reply on the subject.

I encourage everyone who sees this thread to look at the DM convo and see if you wouldn’t take offense to it.

Lastly, FTKL is someone I admire a great deal and treats folks fairly as long as they have a baseline of respect. I did not see respect in your last DM to him.

My friend said the same thing incidentally. So maybe I didn't send the right DM.

But also in my defense do you see in my original post where I say I don't have the faintest idea at how to run a website? For all I know he has someone doing the website for him and that would explain the lack of advertising (aka good previews). The fact that it is him that is doing all of it makes it even worse that he took offense. So again I'm just not supposed to be hey can I get a preview? The non being a jerk response to me would have been no it's me. Is there some issue I can help with instead of just straight up shooting a nuke off and blocking me. How is that good customer service? If I worked in a call center and told a customer oh you don't like our service well fuck you and then hung up on them and refused to take another call from them how long do you think I'd have that job?

Again no more money for him unless he apologizes to me first. I'm not the one who probably has LOTS of money and is probably doing the porn thing as my full time job and then decides to half ass it and then take offense when somoeone says as much.

 

[Huron15]

I have bought several from FTKL and every video I have bought is high quality. FTKL is also a huge target of pirated videos so he does lose money from the lost sales. I have agree with Soles_Scream. FTKL is a very respectable member of this community. He has helped other studios with advice and remember he helped a new studio when the producer was going thru some difficult financial problems in life. That was just a really outstanding person.

 

[kingmaker]

We could have a debate over previews, doing them takes me like 1 hour sometimes and I don't know if they are any good for my sales.
But I feel like it's part of the job and customers should have a teaser

 

[cletus]

We could have a debate over previews, doing them takes me like 1 hour sometimes and I don't know if they are any good for my sales.
But I feel like it's part of the job and customers should have a teaser

Yeah. I know I've bought at least a couple from you because of that. You're bondage isn't as hard core as I like, but the girls in the teasers I'm like I gotta have this.

 

[OSUchamps]

In general, there seems to be this pervasive, "Screw you, I'm making content for you" mentality among...well, basically everyone and every business that produces anything these days. I don't get it. No business should be alienating any paying customer.

 

[Mike3684]

A lot of producers have girls screaming from a simple feather touch so do with that what you will, I have been providing fetish model sessions for 20 years and maybe two were that bad to a feather. So I do agree a lot of forced laughter in clips. The only reason I stopped sessions, I’m not paying 600 bucks an hour tickling has become a taken advantage of business , prices have gotten extremely out of control anyone who’s ticklish with zero experience wants top income. I will not call out producers directly but the screaming feather touch is pretty ridiculous, but hey if people pay to watch it good for them that’s there business.

 

[ebony92]

I know I personally don't really buy anyone's clips anymore. I usually find amateur stuff now. Hardly any of the producers are doing anything I care for now. Very few of the studios are doing tight and strict bondage, a lot of nowadays focuses on cutesy Tickling, everyone's using the same tools, and half the time it's very loose bondage. They put girls in stocks and don't even tie their hands down so they can squirm and cover their faces. A lot of the content now is real cute stuff and even the f/f tickling is along the same lines.

I didn't read your conversation with him, but if you talked to him recklessly, chances are you'll get a similar response. That being said even if you complain they'll just tell you to order a custom which not everyone has the money to do all the time. They'll just take what you say with a grain of salt because someone else is buying it. It's one reason why I deleted year's of post on here and stopped posting for almost two years. Unless someone scams you it's not really worth complaining because a vast majority of the producers don't care. Like all business things, just vote with your wallet. Support what you want and don't support what you don't like because they'll carry on regardless how you feel. Especially if it's a successful producer.

 

[juggernaut]

I've ordered food at a restaurant and been underwhelmed, but never went and told the cook he should fire himself.

Even with a preview, it's a bit of a gamble. I've bought 10 minute clips only to realize the best 20 seconds *was* the preview. The rest was acting, too much storyline, two second finger flicks versus any real run. I've bought stuff based on a girl's look, expression in the preview pic, maybe her head was thrown back implying real suffering, then... nope. I've privately asked producers what they were shooting with because the hi-def was anything but. One of them was just new and confused, actually took my advice on a new setting and format to try. I've bought hour long clips for $50 just to get the one scene and been surprised that the one I wanted was horrible, but three others were great and nothing I'd have normally been interested.

Some of the producers are personable and some are just running their business and have brief answers. Me, I don't care which. I'm not looking for a pen pal, I'm buying a clip. In and out. I think both of you came in hot and overreacted. But Ebony92 said it best. You vote with your wallet. There are hundreds of other places to get content. If you're unsatisfied, move on. If this particular one is that important to you, keep shopping there.

 

[pacattack]

Every ftkl clip I've bought has been awesome. So, maybe I'm just better at figuring out a clip I want vs not want with his previews than you. Either way, the way you approached the matter with him had a really low probability of eliciting a positive response. I would have probably responded the same way to you.

 

[tkmstr]

Honestly, the dm to him was a little disrespectful. That said, I haven't purchased an FTKL clip in years because of the fact that he doesn't provide previews and a large percentage of his models are not ticklish.

 

[Perokcit]

Honestly, the dm to him was a little disrespectful. That said, I haven't purchased an FTKL clip in years because of the fact that he doesn't provide previews and a large percentage of his models are not ticklish.

all of models just acting they are not ticklish. just an acting.

 

[tzimber2003]

Making previews is a pain in the ass. I couldn't agree with that more.
but, when looking at myself as a customer, I would never buy a clip without a preview,
so I keep making them.

As for the attitude, I wish that you guys would understand how much Shi** the producers are getting.
it's not just the piracy thing that really kills the industry.
if you think moving away from C4S will give us 100% of the income, let me correct you.
we need to rent storage, build a website, and operate and protect it.
and the fun part is that tickling material in the eyes of the billing companies is just the same as any other porn out there.
so "normal" billing companies wouldn't want to work with us.
some try to do it, but eventually, they get blocked, and sometimes they lose tons of $$ in this process.
I'm talking from my own experience, by the way, this shit happened to me with PayPal a few years ago after working with them for around 6 years.
other adult-approved billing companies will take between 20-40% for this processing.
and, we didn't even get to chargebacks just yet.

So,
Yes, you are the customer, and yes, the customer is always right.
but hey, not all of us are doing this just for the $$.
some of us like what we are doing, and considered it art.
so when you are contacting a producer, please try to do it with just a little more respect and patience.
i believe that the majority of the producers really care about what they do, and they just want people to like their content at the end of the day.

And,
just to give you clue,
here is an "amazing" message that I got from a customer (who was a "big fan" just a few days before this message), just because I didn't answer him on time. (according to his SLA I guess)

"You are tickle raping Adeline again?
Disgusting piece of shit.. why the hell does Reut even want to be you wife?
I REALLY hope you die you asshole "

 

[ebony92]

Making previews is a pain in the ass. I couldn't agree with that more.
but, when looking at myself as a customer, I would never buy a clip without a preview,
so I keep making them.

As for the attitude, I wish that you guys would understand how much Shi** the producers are getting.
it's not just the piracy thing that really kills the industry.
if you think moving away from C4S will give us 100% of the income, let me correct you.
we need to rent storage, build a website, and operate and protect it.
and the fun part is that tickling material in the eyes of the billing companies is just the same as any other porn out there.
so "normal" billing companies wouldn't want to work with us.
some try to do it, but eventually, they get blocked, and sometimes they lose tons of $$ in this process.
I'm talking from my own experience, by the way, this shit happened to me with PayPal a few years ago after working with them for around 6 years.
other adult-approved billing companies will take between 20-40% for this processing.
and, we didn't even get to chargebacks just yet.

So,
Yes, you are the customer, and yes, the customer is always right.
but hey, not all of us are doing this just for the $$.
some of us like what we are doing, and considered it art.
so when you are contacting a producer, please try to do it with just a little more respect and patience.
i believe that the majority of the producers really care about what they do, and they just want people to like their content at the end of the day.

And,
just to give you clue,
here is an "amazing" message that I got from a customer (who was a "big fan" just a few days before this message), just because I didn't answer him on time. (according to his SLA I guess)

"You are tickle raping Adeline again?
Disgusting piece of shit.. why the hell does Reut even want to be you wife?
I REALLY hope you die you asshole "

I have hard time"feeling" for producers anymore. Anyone who deals with digital media is going to struggle with piracy. I know it sucks, but producers complain about it like no one else who has a job has any kind of struggle. Then it's always worded like it's all our fault when it's maybe only a few people on here who do it, as well as hateful messages. If you have an online presence you will deal with guys who are terrible people. For many of us, including producers and customers, it's as easy as stop supporting that studio if you don't like the content, and block and move on if you get a mean message. To the originator if this post that's why it's not worth complaining, just support someone else. Doesn't help when you talk crazy either. To the producers, you aren't the only ones out there being censored and getting hateful messages. Do what you do for your own reasons because we as customers are gonna support what we want as well. We're not mixed up in worrying what y'all deal with because most of you aren't with us either. If I couldn't afford something, none of you would care and you'd tell me this is a luxury to buy your stuff. In the same vein if you guys disappeared, we'd just replace it with something else like with the other studios that have gotten bad or disappeared. All this woe is me stuff should stop on both sides

 

[Mike3684]

50 bucks for half hour clips that’s up there it’s similar to the post I saw for a newbie fetish model for tickling 500 for half hour and 1000 for full hour, tickling is in my opinion being wrecked by anyone and everyone who is 2/10ticklish or if you have feet pay me. I’m sure some will disagree with me but I have some support here also.

 

[kingmaker]

if you have feet pay me.

That's exactly what happened with porn, except porn is fake in the first place.

For tickling, because of 1 or 2 studios starting to fake (There are really few cases of confirmed faking), people irrationnaly run away to anything they thought was authentic.
And we ended up with people not showing their face, shooting with their Iphone with no lighting or outsourcing videos to people they don't know in south Anerica.

We are to the point where people think that if you are trying to have a good image or audio it will 100 % be fake reactions, I hope those people will understand one day that they completely went the wrong way with their reasonning

Maybe I'm old school, but for me if you are in the image business the only way to go is better production value

 

[pimpin]

I've never really been a huge fan of this studio. The tickling never seemed authentic.

 

[Jondude]

.......is that really FTKL's fault though? It seems fake because most models, no matter the studio, over-act their reactions.

Most of FTKL's models have studios of their own and their acting *IN THEIR OWN CLIPS THEY SELF-PRODUCED* was just as terrible.

Ya'll gotta come to terms with this being the landscape. Either admire the feet he gets on the table or move on. *shrugs*