Do Obviously Fake Scenarios *Always* Ruin Videos, or aare there Times They're Okay?

[brotherted]

I'm one of the biggest advocates of realness on this site, always advising video producers that it's better to ask girls to try not to react or laugh, rather than to exaggerate for the camera.

What's even more fake than exaggerated laughter? The fake scenarios -- we all know them: "Tell me the secret password!" "No, I'll never tell." "Okay then, so be it!" Laughter ensues.

While I'll always think real is better, I must admit today that I saw a video that wasn't ruined by the fake scenario. That's because the 'lee was cute, the ticklishness was obviously real, the tickling reactions un-exaggerated, and the whole scripted scenario part was so under-sold that it didn't annoy me.

Anyone else have thoughts on this? Does anyone actually prefer completely fake scenario scripts with the predictably bad acting even more than a session that's produced real?

 

[Matheu]

I don't mind a fake scenario if it's executed well, I just hate fake reactions. Sometimes a bit of a story line works for me as apposed to just 'we're going to tickle this person and they're going to laugh manically even though their not that ticklish'

 

[barefoot_meghan]

the fake senerios arent as bad as the obvious fake laughter and reactions. thats a quick exit for me.

 

[Wolf]

Fake scenarios don't bother me, as long as the reactions seem real, and the models look like they're having fun.

 

[luvgirlsfeet]

I very much dislike the fake stuff in tickle videos

 

[laughinggaszone]

As a producer who's primary fetish is centered around fake content (for the billionth time, we don't use real laughing gas), I can tell you that most of our fans are perfectly fine with it. Like anything, it's a sliding scale from 0%-100% tolerance of any kind of fake content, including tickling. The reality is, almost every tickling video from every producer has some degree of fake content. You can't tickle most people for an hour (you see 10 minutes of content for every 30-60 minutes of filming, in general) and expect to sustain that level of of reaction. Some models don't react as vocally, which gives the impression that they are not ticklish. So, producers tell them to exaggerate. My favorite example is a blooper that probably wasn't meant to get into a the final video. It's a Cal Star video with a blonde (I think her name is Kelly) and in one sequence, in between tickles, she tells the cameraman to hold up something silly (off camera) and it will make her laugh harder. It's a rare insight into how videos are often made. Fans only see what is on camera. If a producer does a good job, then fans don't notice all the stuff that goes into creating great videos.

 

[Tenebrae]

Fake scenarios and reactions should be a turn-off, but then... sometimes, depending on the execution I can find them strangely compelling.

Take FTKL's videos for example. They're campy, over-the-top and very fake low-budget-looking, yet I have enjoyed some of them very much. I think it comes from the fact that I am a huge, huge Vellicatrices: Unlimited fanatic: I take great pleasure in seeing his universe "coming to life". Sure it looks more like an episode of power rangers than an HBO production, but it has its charms, in an independent cinema sort of way. Also, good old FTKL's writing is hilarious; his videos are probably the only ones that make the viewer laugh as much as the ticklee. The taunting and over-the-top delivery are priceless. He's got this girl called Shauna I think, she's a riot:

Girl: You have pretty feet!

Shauna: Thank you, I grew them myself.

The scenarios are also worth the money. Because he does not take a realistic approach, he can do ridiculous stuff that don't really work in the real world: itching powder, telepathy, sonic booms, explosions (literally!) of laughter, and whatnot.

I am also an avid customer of the more "serious" stuff like Tickle Abuse, Tickle Intensive (I can never recommend this one enough!), or Czech Tickled Girls. Sometimes FrenchTickling also. But once in a while, I feel the need for more FTKL campy brilliance.

 

[Tenebrae]

You can't tickle most people for an hour.

Actually, you can. It's called torture, actual torture. No producers that I am aware of go with it, though. Wonder why?

Sorry, just trolling, I meant no offense ^^ More seriously, for those not old enough to remember Calstar, you have to know that the whole company was basically a giant blooper meant to troll the community. Some of us still have fond memories of it though, because their clips were the first actual tickling videos that they have ever seen.

I would love to see that clip you mentioned if you have it, that sounds funny.

 

[Wolf]

Fake scenarios and reactions should be a turn-off, but then... sometimes, depending on the execution I can find them strangely compelling.

Take FTKL's videos for example. They're campy, over-the-top and very fake low-budget-looking, yet I have enjoyed some of them very much. I think it comes from the fact that I am a huge, huge Vellicatrices: Unlimited fanatic, and I take great pleasure in seeing his universe "coming to life". Sure it looks more like an episode of power rangers than an HBO production, but it has its charms, in an independent cinema sort of way. Also, good old FTKL's writing is hilarious; his videos are probably the only ones that make the viewer laugh as much as the ticklee. The taunting and over-the-top delivery are priceless. He's got this girl called Shauna I think, she's a riot:

Girl: You have pretty feet!

Shauna: Thank you, I grew them myself.

The scenarios are also worth the money. Because he does not take a realistic approach, he can do ridiculous stuff that don't really work in the real world: itching powder, telepathy, sonic booms, explosions (literally!) of laughter, and whatnot.

I am also an avid customer of the more "serious" stuff like Tickle Abuse, Tickle Intensive (I can never recommend this one enough!), or Czech Tickled Girls. Sometimes FrenchTickling also. But once in a while, I feel the need for more FTKL campy brilliance.

I think one of the attractions of campy videos is that the models are also having fun and laughing at the sheer silliness of the scenario (which has to be a nice change of pace from being strapped with 25 pounds of leather and brass and getting a cramp in your jaw from a ball gag); and this, too, is sexy...

 

[laughinggaszone]

Take FTKL's videos for example.

Oh good lord. A lot of FTKL's videos are Batman '66 level campy. It's great! Not everyone wants serious. I'm glad French Tickling and Tickle Abuse are Shy Wild are out there, but I'm also glad FTKL is out there and Stuck in Stocks is out there. It's all kinds of variety. The buffet of tickling content is insane, and I'm happy for it being there.

 

[arachnid95]

As long as the reactions are real, I don't care how fake or campy everything else is. Tickling Paradise has some of the cheesiest scenarios I've ever seen, and I love them!
Of course, even fake reactions sometimes don't deter me. I remember the first video I ever saw that featured Priya, of Tickle Abuse, I thought she was faking it, but even back then I just shrugged and enjoyed it anyway. Now I know she wasn't faking, and I love it even more! XD

 

[kingofkaboom]

As long as the fake scenarios don't take precedence over the tickling, which happens probably more often than it should. We've all seen those videos where it starts out with a story line and we're sitting there waiting and waiting and waiting for the tickling to happen but when it finally does, the video is almost over. Sometimes it's cool to have a silly little plot to it but other times they overdo it.

 

[brotherted]

As long as the reactions are real, I don't care how fake or campy everything else is. Tickling Paradise has some of the cheesiest scenarios I've ever seen, and I love them!
Of course, even fake reactions sometimes don't deter me. I remember the first video I ever saw that featured Priya, of Tickle Abuse, I thought she was faking it, but even back then I just shrugged and enjoyed it anyway. Now I know she wasn't faking, and I love it even more! XD

If you believe Priya wasn't exaggerating after all, then that's not an example of truly fake reactions being okay.

 

[brotherted]

As a producer who's primary fetish is centered around fake content (for the billionth time, we don't use real laughing gas), I can tell you that most of our fans are perfectly fine with it. Like anything, it's a sliding scale from 0%-100% tolerance of any kind of fake content, including tickling. The reality is, almost every tickling video from every producer has some degree of fake content. You can't tickle most people for an hour (you see 10 minutes of content for every 30-60 minutes of filming, in general) and expect to sustain that level of of reaction. Some models don't react as vocally, which gives the impression that they are not ticklish. So, producers tell them to exaggerate. My favorite example is a blooper that probably wasn't meant to get into a the final video. It's a Cal Star video with a blonde (I think her name is Kelly) and in one sequence, in between tickles, she tells the cameraman to hold up something silly (off camera) and it will make her laugh harder. It's a rare insight into how videos are often made. Fans only see what is on camera. If a producer does a good job, then fans don't notice all the stuff that goes into creating great videos.

Your fans may be fine with the laughing gas theme being faked, but I know exaggerated laughing reactions are a huge turnoff to many, even if you don't hear that from them.

I'm convinced there's a huge place for a video company that not only keeps it 100% real, but also releases obviously behind-the-scenes footage, proving that. It's been done here and there, Tickletown.com's "Predator and Prey" series comes to mind, (although even they faked a couple things). But the brand identity of "We Don't Fake -- Here's the Behind-the-Scenes to Prove It" is waiting to be seized -- it would stand out so much.

People are sophisticated viewers of video these days. Many of us sniff out fakery far better than producers think.

 

[Pghtkltorture]

Personally I really only buy clips with some sort of scenario. I really like to see fantasies played out. Now when there is very little effort put in (ie pretty much anything made by clips2buy) then it's a little bit of a turnoff.

I wish I could say that just seeing a pretty girl being tickled (or tickling) would be enough for me but honestly without some sort of narative I find it kinda Boring (or it has the be the perfect Ler or Lee.

What I do love though are every day normal people being tickled. I think some of my favorite clips of all time are the small series from nest like forever ago

 

[TickVix]

Fake scenarios don't bother me. What I absolutely hate in tickling videos are fake laughs. Omg! Their ought to be a law against that. It's just tasteless and in my opinion implies that the viewer is a moron, which we aren't.. I don't even know why a producer would allow that crap. Sorry for the tangent, I've just noticed that way too much in some videos and it annoys me. Now don't get me wrong, there are a lot of videos that have the real deal, but the girls with the bad acting and phony laughs need to go.

 

[CapturedDoll]

I love fake scenarios!! It at least provides context to a scene for me. I love fake scenarios for all porn or soft core porn too. Always reminds me of the cheesy 80's and early 90's exploitation/ summer movies. Always fun!!!

 

[Karluver]

It's interesting how we are still having this sort of conversation after so many years. Why did a producer need to call itself "RealTickling"? Because there were so much fake stuff around, that sadly, "real" was actually a selling point. Can you imagine a porn video producer calling itself "RealSex"? We are fortunate that the market has evolved from the CalStar days, and the quality of clips have increased a lot thanks to earlier pioneers like SilverCherry, and now we have people like TickleAbuse and TickleIntensive and no one needs to sell "real" anymore.

However, these facts still remain: One: The current market dictates that you need to sell at least several minutes of content, for no more than a particular price a piece. Two: Once you hire a model, whether the clip turns out marketable or not, you need to pay her anyway. Three: Not every model is ticklish everywhere, and not every ticklish person remains as reactive on the same spot for that long. Four: Even if you manage to locate an attractive and ticklish model and invite her back for more, it wouldn't work out for long - looks can deteriorate, performance can be inconsistent, what's good for the viewers and the producer could be too intensive for the model, and people eventually stop buying clips from the same model anyway, regardless of how good the model is.

Given the facts above, it's no surprise that unless you are really willing to take a loss on a majority of your time and money invested, you will be asking the model to exaggerate reactions. The models, especially for those that get to be invited back, are all aware of the requirement. That's unfortunately still the market practice. Even from the best producers in the market today, and even from the good models that they invite back, I still see a lot of exaggeration. The producers know it, the viewers know it, and the producers know the viewers know it, but alas that's the way the business model works.

The occasional good clips, where the tickling incites real desperation and where you can tell from the twitching and straining of every little body part of the model (not from "oh no oh no haha not the feet not the feet"), are surprisingly and unfortunately so few and far between. I used to get very upset about this, but now it just pleases me to locate a real rare gem.

What does this have to do with fake scenarios? Well, I used to think fake scenarios and fake reactions were completely unrelated. Now I increasingly feel that the more elaborate the fake scenarios are, the less the producers can afford for the clip to fail and the more exaggeration they need to instruct. Therefore, although nothing is absolute, I only go for fake scenarios involving proven ticklers and ticklees I've seen from elsewhere.

 

[The_Darkweb]

I don't really care what the sanario fr a video is, just so long as the reactions are sincere. When the lee is laughing hysterically but hardly moving it really ruins it. I'm all about the reaction the persn is having. In porn vids I hate when the woman gives that "don't you wish it was you" look to the camera. It is nuch sexier if she is focusing on the person she is doing the scene with. After all most peoe aren't being filmed when they have sex, so it makes it less erotic

 

[The_Darkweb]

Fake scenarios don't bother me. What I absolutely hate in tickling videos are fake laughs. Omg! Their ought to be a law against that. It's just tasteless and in my opinion implies that the viewer is a moron, which we aren't.. I don't even know why a producer would allow that crap. Sorry for the tangent, I've just noticed that way too much in some videos and it annoys me. Now don't get me wrong, there are a lot of videos that have the real deal, but the girls with the bad acting and phony laughs need to go.

I'm with you, and here is and example...

Burglar breaks into a house, finds the residents of the house aslee in bed. Proceeds to use chloroform to ensure resident remains sleep while being restrained (spred-eagle oddly enough). Burglar explores the house, and discovers a safe. Returning to the bed room the burglar proceeds to use tickling to force the resident to give up the combination to the safe.

Problem is the resident, for soe reason, actually doesn't knoe the combination, or that the safe even existed. Finally, after a grueling interigation the resident gives the burglar a fake combination.

When the burglar goes to attempt to oen the safe, the resident escapes their restraints and grabs the bottle of chloroform the burgar conveniently left on the night stand. The resident uses said chloroform on the burglar and returns the favor of the tickling. This is the theme of the video with each model being stripped of different garments, until the are both nude exhausted.

Phoney as a $3.00 bill, but who cares as long as the reactions are sincere. Not me that is for sure.

D.W.

 

[SoleMates]

I'm convinced there's a huge place for a video company that not only keeps it 100% real, but also releases obviously behind-the-scenes footage, proving that. ... But the brand identity of "We Don't Fake -- Here's the Behind-the-Scenes to Prove It" is waiting to be seized -- it would stand out so much.

Just out of curiosity, what kind of behind-the-scenes footage would "prove" this to you? I'm asking as someone who doesn't hire fakes and rather enjoys including outtakes/bloopers in his material.

 

[Docsoul]

I love fake scenarios and set-ups with some of the professional models. We can't just tickle someone for no good reason. That would be and the fake scenario provides a good reason.

Fake laughter can work when combined with an appropriate amount of squirming. I figure that tickling a beautiful woman is a fantasy and the model can fulfill the fantasy with the right amount of acting.

Having seen plenty of clips with questionable reactions, I have gravitated to the clips of genuinely ticklish amateurs who get in over their head for a few bucks. Those are the best.

 

[tickletherapist]

We actually even shared a video where one of the girl patients of our tickle therapist Masha Fox turned out to be not ticklish, which looked really funny. I mean there was such a surprise expression on Masha's face when her fingers had little effect, that it was hilarious.
Just to let everyone know that this can happen sometimes.

I can share this clip.
Here is the download link. The service is in Russian but you just have to click "Скачать" (means Download) in the right.
https://yadi.sk/d/wRv92HjgTbfyz

We never tell the girls how to act, what's the point of that? The greatest thing is that they don't realize what tickle therapy would really be, until they are put into restraints and the tickling starts, and they just have to take it.

 

[BBGuy5240]

It depends on the execution, and how much time it takes up before the Tickling starts. Or whatever particular fetish the video is about.

Depending on what the scenario is, I think they can make videos more interesting. But normally, I just like videos to get right into it.

 

[brotherted]

Just out of curiosity, what kind of behind-the-scenes footage would "prove" this to you? I'm asking as someone who doesn't hire fakes and rather enjoys including outtakes/bloopers in his material.

It's pretty simple. You would literally roll the camera on everything that's said before and after. The model walking into the room, her questions to you about how it will work, watching her get tied up, the use of safe words if you do that, anything she says or even her body language while getting untied.

I've spent years as a television and documentary film director, and I know audiences love to see the truth of what was really going on rather than a filtered, antiseptic view. But I think there's a huge temptation for video producers to "play god," removing off-script conversations and out-of-character moments just because they can.

One of the best videos that did this was the no longer for sale "Tickletown Amanda 01," in which a woman 'ler recruited a young woman from the streets of Seattle, got her to agree to do a session for cash. You can see the entire tying up process, the entire permissions, "Is it okay if I pull up your shirt?" exchange. Nearly every other producer would have edited all that out, but it gives you so much more insight into the girl, it's great.

Would every customer want all the behind-the-scenes footage? Maybe not. But you could simply offer a shorter and a longer "album cut" version of the session -- I know I'd pay a few dollars more to really see the whole story of what when on. I happen to think most people would too.