helplessandhappy
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It's cheating. You know it is.
It's cheating. You know it is.
If you're having sex in these paid encounters, then yes it would be cheating. If it's just tickling, then it's only cheating if you've mutually agreed with your significant other that it is.Personally I have never shared this with any of my past girlfriends. Tho I could tell pretty early on whether or not they enjoyed that type of thing or no by their reaction to some tickles here and there. a small Part of me not sharing that is that I wouldnt have any idea how to start or get deep into a conversation like that. A bigger part however is the fact that I like the fact that this part of my life is private and only explored with strangers , since I play about once every 2 months or so(As a Ler and a Lee) in paid encounters. Some might consider this cheating, I try not to think about it too much.
If you're having sex in these paid encounters, then yes it would be cheating. If it's just tickling, then it's only cheating if you've mutually agreed with your significant other that it is.
Since you don't mention this interest with your significant others, I'm going to assume there's no such agreement. Therefore, it's not cheating. You are good to go.
And to answer ur question, ive never set forth what is cheating and what is not, but im pretty sure past gf's would have consider it cheating no matter how I try to spin it.
It sounds to me like you've got a pretty reasonable outlook on it.No there was never any sex involved, nor is there any opportunity for it since the women have a strict code of no sex and not even any sexual talk or advances is allowed. Its just tickling and once the time is up you re out of there. And to answer ur question, ive never set forth what is cheating and what is not, but im pretty sure past gf's would have consider it cheating no matter how I try to spin it. I just try not to think about it until im in a relationship I feel is worth changing for!
*applause*You don't get it DAJT. Of COURSE people define cheating differently, and of course it's fine to tickle another person if your partner enjoys it and allows it. I am not "asserting my personal standards" on anyone-- I think people can have healthy relationships with all sorts of different boundaries and varying shared experiences allowed. Just because I'm strictly monogamous doesn't mean I think everyone has to be. There are plenty of people on this forum alone who seem to have healthy and happy couplings that involve playing with people outside of the relationship. THAT is fine.
H<sup>2</sup>, that is pure Bullshit with a capital B. My advice was simply to not broadcast your fetish, since it's nobody's business what excites you but your own. I never advocated denying your fetish if asked about it.What you're talking about is dishonesty, which SHOULD be against ANYONE'S personal standard of conduct.
I've got news for you, H<sup>2</sup>. Keeping a secret is in no way synonymous with dishonesty. This is the huge flaw in your thinking. That somehow we're all obligated to spill our guts about each and every thing that thrills or excites us, because if we don't, we're guilty of "dishonesty" by telling a "lie of omission."You said very clearly that a guy with a tickle fetish should keep it a SECRET (dishonesty) from his partner so that he could still enjoy tickling experiences with random people (dishonesty--and creepy as hell) without the woman in his life knowing or having a problem with him getting off on it.
*applause*
Now if you had stopped there, you just might have come off as genuinely live-and-let-live as you claim.
But unfortunately...
H<sup>2</sup>, that is pure Bullshit with a capital B. My advice was simply to not broadcast your fetish, since it's nobody's business what excites you but your own. I never advocated denying your fetish if asked about it.
I've got news for you, H<sup>2</sup>. Keeping a secret is in no way synonymous with dishonesty. This is the huge flaw in your thinking. That somehow we're all obligated to spill our guts about each and every thing that thrills or excites us, because if we don't, we're guilty of "dishonesty" by telling a "lie of omission."
Honey, just so you know, I really get a thrill watching women's tennis, you know especially when the wind is blowing. I...uh...I also get turned on when your sister wears those stretch pants. Yeah, you probably don't want to hear about it but hey, I'm just "being honest" here. Oh, and when Dr. Judy checked out my prostate, that was sooooo hawt although next time I hope she ditches the nitrile glove....Hey, what's the matter? Why are you getting upset? I'm just being "honest." I'm doing the "right thing" here by fully disclosing that which excites and/or thrills me! That's what I'm supposed to do. I know, because I read it on the TMF!
I would love to know what kind of control freak needs to have such an in-depth inventory of their partner's mind. It's staggering to consider the depths of emotional insecurity that would make such information so crucial.
In case you're actually considering coming back with the predictable objection, "I never said he's obligated to tell EVERYTHING that excites him," I'll just go ahead and preclude such an argument.
You said that "keeping secrets" is dishonesty. That can only be true if honesty is contingent not just on accuracy, but also on full disclosure (keeping no secrets). By your thinking, he's not honest if he keeps anything secret from her. Of course anything he doesn't tell her will be a secret and therefore render him guilty of dishonesty by your definition. So yes, even though you didn't come out and say the words, by your own definition, he's dishonest unless he keeps nothing secret from her.
I'm here to tell you that's just not reasonable. Nobody outside of a court of law is obligated to full disclosure. And thankfully, most people (at least those who are emotionally healthy) wouldn't want full disclosure, TMI being what it is. Nobody is obligated to divulge their fetish to their significant other, and to expect such disclosure is absurd, unreasonable, and indicative of emotionally needy insecurity.
Well you know that, and I know that. I'm thinking H<sup>2</sup> hasn't yet gotten the memo.Dontask keeping the secret isn't the dishonest part
Whoa, buddy. Gear down there, big shifter. You're making gross assumptions there, my geographically challenged friend. It's not a case of "knowing what you're doing isn't okay within the relationship." I don't know where you're getting that. After all, he gets as much say-so as she as to what's "okay" in the relationship. He can decide that tickling is okay, but he must remember that if it's okay for him to tickle or get tickled outside the relationship, it's also okay for her to do likewise. Otherwise you'll have a double standard, and you'll be knee deep in hypocrisy.you're keeping it a secret because you know what you're doing isn't ok within the relationship and you think not bringing it up makes it ok.
It's really amazing to see all the various definitions of "honesty." In this latest rendition, honesty is now linked to adhering to behavioral directives determined by one's partner.If your SO was ok with you fooling around with others in any capacity, keeping that secret wouldn't be dishonesty, but keeping it so you can do something they wouldn't be ok with is dishonesty.
I know this is a little personal to say on here, but when I think about myself being tickle tortured, I get sexually aroused.