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Films based on books

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Hello, hello.

I thought I'd start a thread about films that are based on novels, short stories, whatever - not like there's been a shortage of 'em after all!

Best examples? Worst examples? Weirdest examples? Instances where you saw the film first and enjoyed it, but was then disappointed when you gave the book a go? Whatever ya like.

Just as an aside: I watched an interview with Stephen King not so long ago - it was from the mid-90s, I think - where he talks about The Shining (the Stanley Kubrick film) being an example of a "Steven King film" that didn't work. *furrows brow* And he talks almost like it's a widely accepted fact that the film was a bit of a turkey or something lol. I just found that odd. :shrug:

Also, has anybody read Jaws by Peter Benchley? I don't think it's the sort of book I would normally choose to read, but I know I'm gonna have to give it a go at some point, just to see how it compares!

Cheeyers. :)
 
Back in 1999,maybe 2000,TNT made Animal Farm into a movie. I really enjoyed it.
 
The Shining is a weird case where I agree with the author about it not being a very good adaption, but also I think Kubrick made an amazing movie.

I love the movie, especially since I recently watched a series of youtube videos that explain some of the secrets hidden in it.

But on the other hand, King's book was about issues that the movie never touches on and the characters are all very different. The book is about Danny, and it's his journey - the hotel wants him because of his psychic powers and Jack is just a weak-willed pawn, who starts out decent and is seduced in gradual steps into becoming evil. The character was based on King himself and his struggle with alcoholism. And Wendy is a strong female character who rises to the occasion of trying to save her son.

The movie is about Jack, not Danny, and Jack is already kind of a dark guy. He starts out with a short temper and is already constantly annoyed, and the hotel already has a connection to him. It's the story of how the hotel draws him to it and seduces him. Danny is sort of incidental - he's there to serve as a window into Jack's dark side, and a mirror to reflect the evil of the hotel. But it's Jack that the hotel wants, Danny and Wendy are just sacrifices.


I've read Jaws, it's not bad. The drama is a little more involved than in the movie - it's about the sheriff and his family life as much as it's about the shark attack.


Hello, hello.

I thought I'd start a thread about films that are based on novels, short stories, whatever - not like there's been a shortage of 'em after all!

Best examples? Worst examples? Weirdest examples? Instances where you saw the film first and enjoyed it, but was then disappointed when you gave the book a go? Whatever ya like.

Just as an aside: I watched an interview with Stephen King not so long ago - it was from the mid-90s, I think - where he talks about The Shining (the Stanley Kubrick film) being an example of a "Steven King film" that didn't work. *furrows brow* And he talks almost like it's a widely accepted fact that the film was a bit of a turkey or something lol. I just found that odd. :shrug:

Also, has anybody read Jaws by Peter Benchley? I don't think it's the sort of book I would normally choose to read, but I know I'm gonna have to give it a go at some point, just to see how it compares!

Cheeyers. :)
 
I SERIOUSLY need to watch The Shining. I'm not much of a horror fan, so don't know if I'd ever come to reading any of King's work. But I'm a Kubrick fan, so the film is at the top of my watch list.

Other examples of adaptations I can think of are The Godfather. Mario Puzo's books I heard are not as engaging as Coppola's adaptation, though I haven't read it myself. Anyone want to clarify?...

What I have read and watched is Casino Royale. Me being a huge Bond fan, I naturally needed to get my hands on the original source material: Ian Fleming's novels. Casino Royale is the first of 12 novels, and it's a really thrilling read. I can't comment on Fleming's writing skills compared to other renowned authors, but as a spy thriller author, he keeps you hooked in until the very last page, which I honestly didn't expect (there's even an entire chapter dedicated to Bond explaining the game of baccarat, which isn't boring in the slightest). There are bits of Bond's character that he based on himself, and it shows in the narration of Bond's thoughts. I can definitely say I enjoyed the novel at least as much as I did the 2006 film, which I'd say is based pretty faithfully but not word-for-word of course.
 
More often than not, what you find is the the film finds a different emphasis than the books and as a result, this can tidy up structural flaws or subject matter that cause the book to have a slight lack in its luster. Sometimes, it can tell the same story in a different way and find a better story than the one the author came up with.

Stephen King has been the Shakespeare of 20th century horror fiction. By that, I mean he wrote very adept populist stories that 1) rarely repeated themselves, 2) dealt with traditional environs and subjects, and 3) were able to incorporate modern-day domestic dramas and horrors into the larger scale archetypal ones in wondrous parallel synthesis. That's the reason that he became so popular: each books was both familiar and different, epic and domestic, dipping into different American genres with the same horror tinge (The Shining in a Rocky Mountain winterscape; The Gunslinger does post-apocalyptic Western; Carrie is a supernatural revenge movie in high school; Salem's Lot does vampires in a small town; Cujo is a monster movie with an everyday animal; Pet Sematary takes a childhood fear and renders into an adult menace; The Stand is basically the American Lord of the Rings). And he did it with a lurid paperback prose style that was far more sophisticated than many of his imitators possessed. The late 1970s and early-to-mid 1980s is what built his reputation that he now continues to squander. Unusually, this decline in his quality (particularly his endings), also coincided with his sobriety.

For King, I'll bring up 2 case studies where the film changes the book fundamentally: The Shining and Needful Things.

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The novel is a traditional haunted house story complete with ghosts bent on malicious intent against the living. As a book, it works by building tension about what will ultimately happen, which is the point. The family's presence in the Overlook hotel is where the danger lies and we don't know who will survive as the father descends into madness thanks to the ghosts manipulating his major weakness. But when this story is faithfully rendered into cinematic form (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118460/?ref_=nv_sr_2), the limitations of the novel start to become apparent: it's an extremely extremely conventional story about possession turning a family member into a fiend with a murderous threat in a contained area. It's for all intents and purposes, a Scooby Doo episode with one of the gang as the monster.

The movie throws out the Gothic horror structure to make it a more existential film about going insane in isolation, and what that looks like. The film version turns the ghosts into figments of imagination that--aside from one example--are fairly bland in appearance, which makes them all the more unsettling. The hotel is large and spacious and modern, not at all claustrophobic, but this in turn makes the hotel seem like a looming presence that is omnipresent and invisible, and some its structure creates the feeling that the hotel is a voyeuristic entity devoid of personification:
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The hotel's interstitial lighting and recessed hallways create the effect of "eyes" without a face.

Kubrick translates the horror from forensically gory scenes of disgust and renders them into iconic, surrealistic perversions of mundane objects and settings (the elevators, the Grady twins) that perfectly indicate the underlying horror of an average place tainted by the presence of true evil. This has a far greater effect via suggestion than the text can render with detail. Added to which, you have the film's music: avant-garde sonic soundscapes by Eastern Block composers like Penderecki and Ligeti as well as synthesized anharmonic pulsing tracks by Wendy Carlos and Rachel Elkind that serve to render the emotional terror of being in the characters' shoes. And finally, Jack Nicholson's unhinged performance hints at the madness lying underneath a normal man's everyday facade, much like the hotel; the horror doesn't come from what the supernatural has imbued him with...it's what the supernatural has drawn OUT of him.

Kubrick's film demonstrated that a horror film was stronger when the story conveyed the subjective experience of being in a horror movie rather than playing on a voyeuristic tendency to anticipate danger. That's why the film was stronger than book, and why the book still works, but only as a companion piece.

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By the time Needful Things had come out, King had started his slip into repetitiveness and outright derivativeness. His books started clocking in at almost 700 pages a piece and they started having diminishing rewards, especially in the endings. With Needful Things, the story was clearly connected to a number of other King novels and thus, the main character of Leland Gaunt was another malicious entity capable of assuming human guise to parasitize human life-force. He apparently has much more power than he show in the film, and he uses those powers to create needlessly deus ex machina solutions (such as a magic car) to help his plans; in the end, he's just another super-powered demonic force.

The film is clearly stand-alone, having little to no connections to the King universe, and as such, Leland Gaunt is clearly supposed to be the Devil. But unlike the book where Gaunt is an almost caricatured rendition of a snake-oil salesman pouring on the charm, the film version--played by Max Von Sydow--is a devilishly amicable character who almost seems to know that he's playing a part and his jovial, grandfatherly ways are almost like a pantomime that he keeps hoping someone will figure out. The theatrical movie is a disappointment because it runs just under 2 hours. However, a much longer (163-minute) TV version exists and can be tracked down with some effort (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXbCGf97BAk) (TNT used to play it all the time, but in recent years, this has fallen by the wayside). This extended edition makes substantially more sense and manages to ratchet up the stress on the poor but determined Sheriff Pangborn's need to get to the bottom Gaunt's enterprise.

There's no question that completed film is better than the book, especially at the ending. The novel's ending is drawn out and ends in less than 2 pages, with Gaunt's turn to total evil and vanquishing almost tacked on. In the film, Gaunt is defeated and absolutely overjoyed at it; for him, everything has been a delightful game of wits and he is actually amused at being outwitted by a clever human, completely driving home the point that, while clearly not human, he is nevertheless, a salesman.

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Probably the gold standard of "Film is Better Than the Book" is Jaws. When Peter Benchley wrote Jaws, he was writing a potboiler; an airport beach read that was designed to have everything you would want in a book: suspense, sex, and a monster. And when the book came out, not only did Jaws the movie not exist, but that entire genre of movie didn't exist. That genre of film--which we now call "Tentpoles" or "Summer Blockbusters"--were the province of B-and Z-budget exploitation films ruled by indie producers and international tax shelter investment companies who treated their films as schlock and were consumed by the public as such. In 1973, suggesting that a genre film could be not only art, but made with A-List quality was ludicrous--The Exorcist was seen as a fluke.

As such, the book is a novel about a small-town sheriff who must find out how to deal with a killer shark eating Amity Island out of house and home with each tourist he chomps. The island's mayor is clearly in bed with the mob and he needs the summer tourist business to provide lucrative kickbacks to his overseers in New York and Sheriff Brody's interest in public safety is hurting the bottom line; at one point in the book, Brody comes home to find out that a mobster has visited his home and killed his cat in front of his son to send a message about keeping the beaches open. In addition, Hooper, the icthyologist sent out to be the science guy for the story, ends up having a love affair with Brody's wife. All this very lurid, pulpy shit takes up half the book before the story we're all familiar with even starts, and it ends pretty much the same way as Moby Dick.

The film throws out everything but the shark and turns it into an action-adventure movie about killing a smart and powerful force of nature. As such, it is a textbook example of the powers of ensemble casting and finding drama in simple conflict of interest. The characters and the editing of their situation is all you need and the results speak for themselves. The book was a good yarn; the film was an absolute phenomenon that--much like The Shining--put the fear of God into virtually everyone who watched it because the film took the story and turned it into a visceral, not a cerebral, experience.

Final Examples: The Mist and The Shawshank Redemption
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One interesting example is Frank Darabont's 2007 adaptation of King's then-lesser-known 1980 novella The Mist. Much like Cujo, The Mist is a siege/bottle story about everyday people trapped in an exotic situation; this case a strange, near-zero-visibility mist that envelops the town and shuts down all technology. Things get worse when the inhabitants of the town--trapped in a supermarket--find out that the mist is full of creatures with a taste for human flesh. As the days go by, the external threats start to take its toll on the civility of the internal human situation. The story and the film are so close to each other in adaptation that they're virtually interchangeable. There are a few trivial differences, namely the knowledge about The Mist and it's origins--the novella is content with the characters speculations, while the film definitely explains it--but the true divergence is with the ending.

The novella clearly embraces the open-ended climax: anything could happen and the characters have to hope for the next day. The film, does the exact opposite: ending the film as definitively as possible. In fact, The Mist contains perhaps the most soul-obliterating ending to a movie since The Vanishing; people have been known to come out of that movie with minor PTSD; reaction videos to it are nowhere near as entertaining as they are for Star Wars trailers (https://youtu.be/_gLVVEIGoGA). The most subversive aspect of this is that in any other circumstance, the film version's ending is a happy one, an observation completely lost on the people who make it through the end credits.

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By contrast, The Shawshank Redemption--an adaptation of the novella "Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption" within King's collection Different Seasons--is the exact opposite: a depressing prison movie that becomes one of the most life-affirming film experiences in the history of cinema. The novel and the film take the same approach: a young banker is sentenced to life in prison for the alleged murder of his wife and her lover. He eventually uses his professional acumen to buy a favorable life inside and eventually becomes a money launderer for one of the prison wardens. But the book retains an ambiguous tone: the banker--Andy Dufresne--is a mysterious character and remains one throughout the story; it's left to the audience to wonder if he's actually guilty or innocent, and when evidence comes to light that might exonerate him, the situation is resolved in a fairly undramatic (but more realistic) fashion. Added to which, there are several wardens in the prison over the years as opposed to one. And the ending takes King's favored open-ended approach that he did with The Mist: who knows?

The film does away with all of that and embraces traditional Golden Age Hollywood in all of its glory. Andy is clearly innocent, there is one warden who goes from virtuous to villainous by the film's end and the inciting incident that gets the ball rolling is dramatic as hell. And, the movie does away with the open-ended ending for something truly conclusive and powerful. There is a reason this movie keeps vying with The Godfather as the #1 Greatest Movie of All time on the IMDb: it eschews the impact-deadening and unnecessary ambiguity of the book and makes clear, definitive decisions and the story is all the better for it.

Beyond this, there are far too many to go into. Movies have been adapting books from as far back as Frankenstein in 1910, and half the catalog of the medium is based on pre-existing material. I can't remember them all, and most of them I haven't read the source material either because its out of print or because I never knew it was a book at all. But this should answer most of the questions you asked.
 
Not having read The Shining, I wasn't sure how it compared with the film. But perhaps the differences as pointed out here were what led King to say what he did. I think he went on to say in that interview that for him to consider a Stephen King adaptation a success, it has to be true to the spirit of the book. So, presumably, he felt that Kubrick had tampered with the story to the point where this was not the case. Even so, to give the impression that he had nothing positive to say about the film seems a bit extreme. Maybe he was annoyed that the film worked in spite of those differences...? :shrug:

One instance where I was disappointed by the book was when I tried reading Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (the novel on which Ridley Scott's film Blade Runner is based). To be honest, I had misgivings anyway, just cos I'd tried reading Philip K. Dick before and hadn't really enjoyed it. But I thought, cos I liked the film so much, it was worth a go. I think I got about 20 pages in and thought, "Nope. Not gonna happen" lol. There's just something about PKD's prose that bugs me (it would seem). Time for another shruggy yellow guy: :shrug:

:)
 
Flowers for Algernon was an excellent science fiction short story written by Daniel Keyes. I read it as a subscriber to The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction in April 1959 at the age of nine. The protagonist was named Charly Gordon.

It was made into an excellent movie in 1968, Charly, starring Cliff Robertson as Charly Gordon.

Never content to leave well enough alone, an awful made-for-TV movie version was made in 2000. It restored the title Flowers for Algernon and it starred Matthew Modine as Charly Gordon.
 
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The documentary, Room 237 has some really great information about the making of, and the creative differences between King and Kubrick. Kubrick, it is said, basically gave King the finger and did things his way, as geniuses often do.

But there is a another Stephen King book, called Salem's Lot, which I consider one of his best. It was made into a TV movie which, in my opinion, is probably one of, if not the best, vampire movies I've seen. It's well worth a download and a late night viewing with the honey of your choice.

One book/eventual movie, I find pretty frustrating, is I Am Legend. It's a very short book, probably a novella, I guess you'd say, and was the inspiration for movies like The Omega Man, and Last Man on Earth, both excellent movies (I think, anyway) but neither are much like the book except for the major plot point of some guy being the last guy. Always a cool concept, but neither movie, and DEFINITELY NOT the movie, I Am Legend can hold a candle to the original book. The latest version, starring Will Smith, really pissed me off because it seemed as though it was trying to stick to the source material. It wasn't. Pisses me off when you have an excellent story some producers got together and thought, yeah we can make this better. It's very rare when they stray from the source material and still come up with a decent movie. IStar Ship Troopers is another example of the same thing.
 
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Speaking of zombie flicks that didn't quite match the awesomeness of the book: World War Z. Sigh...

The book is a really interesting look at the zombie apocalypse scenario, building up this timeline of an apocalyptic scenario with its own events and points of interest, and exploring it through the eyes of myriad different people who lived through it. Scientists who were studying the virus before the outbreak occurred, soldiers who fought to keep the undead from overrunning their cities, normal people who recount their own unique tales of individual survival... It's all very fascinating, and definitely worth a read.

The movie is about Brad Pitt running around and killing zombies for a while. Running ones, instead of Max Brooks's shufflers. Which I wouldn't normally have a problem with, except the book has shufflers, so what the fuck are you doing putting running goddamned zombies in a Max Brooks-inspired movie?

It's an okay movie on its own, but as a comparison to the book, it fucking sucks... XD
 
Oh hell, definitely World War Z, that movie sucked and the book was fantastic. Arachnid95 - I agree with you 100%. And you know, thinking about it, I don't know if they could have even matched the quality of that book. They might've picked out a few of the personal stories but the whole book? That'd be something.
 
George A. Romero (speaking about the zombie genre): "I think really Brad Pitt killed it."

lol
 
2001: A Space Odyssey is a bit unusual in that the book was published after the film was released in 1968. I've never been much of a science fiction fan but have to say I enjoyed them both. The films special effects were spectacular given the technology of the time.
 
2001: A Space Odyssey is a bit unusual in that the book was published after the film was released in 1968. I've never been much of a science fiction fan but have to say I enjoyed them both. The films special effects were spectacular given the technology of the time.

I liked both as well, but I've always felt there was something funny about Arthur C. Clarke's writing style...or lack of, I suppose. He writes fascinating things but his delivery is, I don't know, a little bland, maybe? I'm not knocking the guy, he's brilliant, but I've never read one of his books and thought, "Wow, now that's a sentence!" You know?
 
I liked both as well, but I've always felt there was something funny about Arthur C. Clarke's writing style...or lack of, I suppose. He writes fascinating things but his delivery is, I don't know, a little bland, maybe? I'm not knocking the guy, he's brilliant, but I've never read one of his books and thought, "Wow, now that's a sentence!" You know?

Yeah, I hear you. His writing won't have anybody on the edge of their seat.
 
Speaking of zombie flicks that didn't quite match the awesomeness of the book: World War Z. Sigh...It's an okay movie on its own, but as a comparison to the book, it fucking sucks... XD
WWZ was in a shitton of trouble before they even started shooting; I don't think anybody was under the impression that it was going to be good because the budget projections were so fucking high that there was NO WAY IN HELL that the script was going to be a top priority. When the scale of a blockbuster is that big, the studio writes the script entirely on market research and focus groups and the lowest common denominator. They fired the original cinematographer--the legendary Robert Richardson, among the top DPs in the world--just as they started shooting because they didn't like the look of the picture...AFTER they let him spend weeks and months preparing the Look-Up Tables and timing prep. I think they hired him to do the prep work, then fired him to get a cheaper DP to use his material.

The point being, WWZ had all the potential and none of the hope because of the studio mentality.

But I am ADAMANTLY supportive of the insane-o-zombies in WWZ. Zombies so fucking nuts that they run, jump, and corpse-pile? That was sheer mad genius and an improvement on the book. I think the book could have managed to integrate classical and berserker zombies if the zombie virus outbreak was caused by a lab mutation that turned people INTO the beserker zombies...that would've made the zombie outbreak a result of humanity's attempts to stop it in the first place, and that would've really made things interesting.

I always felt that the original Dawn of the Dead was a better movie, but the remake of Dawn of the Dead was the better zombie apocalypse movie. The remake really showed you that a zombie apocalypse would be a nightmare and not at all the Libertarian playground that the original made it seem like. So for me, fast zombies make the threat potential--which is critical for an apocalypse movie to work--so much more potent.
 
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