Other producers not listed on clips4sale?

[cletus]

So I think most of us know about FM Concepts

Stryker Entertainment

Czech Tickling

Tickle Abuse

French Tickling

UK Tickling

Fettish

and Genuine Tickling

But I found this producer on Twitter https://twitter.com/adoafechi/media and I had bought one clip so far from where he evidently posts his content for purchase https://www.xcream.net/series/くすぐり/1001?

With the world being such a big place are there any other websites any one knows of to buy tickling content?

And to be clear I myself do not consider Patreon or OnlyFans to be good substitutes as you can't actually download anything on most of those producers pages, which in my estimation is a different business model not being discussed in this thread.

 

[heroes4]

Well, mine...which is on Patreon. Although I agree that Patreon isn't like C4S, for a producer is much better since we can actually make some money without giving half to a website. On another level, Patreon DOES allow downloads, it just doesn't allow big files, but that's about to change soon. We received a notice lately mentioning that Creators on Patreon will soon have more options for their Patrons.

PS: My page is updated more then 5 times a week and for the price of 15$ a month you can view well over 300 clips. For that same price on C4S you can view one or maybe two short clips. Another note to mention, creators can offer perks and what not and you can talk with them for customs and ideas. Those options are not on C4S.

 

[cletus]

Well, mine...which is on Patreon. Although I agree that Patreon isn't like C4S, for a producer is much better since we can actually make some money without giving half to a website. On another level, Patreon DOES allow downloads, it just doesn't allow big files, but that's about to change soon. We received a notice lately mentioning that Creators on Patreon will soon have more options for their Patrons.

PS: My page is updated more then 5 times a week and for the price of 15$ a month you can view well over 300 clips. For that same price on C4S you can view one or maybe two short clips. Another note to mention, creators can offer perks and what not and you can talk with them for customs and ideas. Those options are not on C4S.

I had used Patreon from October of last year to April for downloading tickling art. There were only 3 video producers I found on there and 2 of them didn't allow any downloads. I understand it's not cheap to make this material, and yet if you went with wanting a massive collection at the prices producers usually ask for you'd either have to have bought all your stuff over 20 years like I have or make $100,000 a year to be able to subscribe for $500/month for the rest of your life if the producer doesn't let you download anything. A lot of people here in the USA only make tops of $60,000 a year so if a producer doesn't allow for downloads then they are basically saying you can access my stuff half the time if that. I do think if our community was larger so that a quality clip would get thousands of downloads on C4S it wouldn't be too expensive for a producer. You spend $500 to produce and then receive 2000 x $15 = $30000. But since I'm willing to bet that our community is small and hence if a producer puts out a good clip it will get less than a thousand purchases I'm guessing. So barely make any money on a good clip and probably lose money if you put out bad content so I get it. No one wants to work for free, but also producers should take into consideration that they are not working. This is a passion for the majority of us. A fun activity. And since when are hobbies something you can make serious money off of? Sometimes, but not always.

If/when I become a producer I'm already throwing my videos out on a site like Pornhub as a much worse quality for free. If you want the high quality clip and can afford it I'd hope to get some downloads on C4S to at least make some of the money back.

 

[heroes4]

I had used Patreon from October of last year to April for downloading tickling art. There were only 3 video producers I found on there and 2 of them didn't allow any downloads. I understand it's not cheap to make this material, and yet if you went with wanting a massive collection at the prices producers usually ask for you'd either have to have bought all your stuff over 20 years like I have or make $100,000 a year to be able to subscribe for $500/month for the rest of your life if the producer doesn't let you download anything. A lot of people here in the USA only make tops of $60,000 a year so if a producer doesn't allow for downloads then they are basically saying you can access my stuff half the time if that. I do think if our community was larger so that a quality clip would get thousands of downloads on C4S it wouldn't be too expensive for a producer. You spend $500 to produce and then receive 2000 x $15 = $30000. But since I'm willing to bet that our community is small and hence if a producer puts out a good clip it will get less than a thousand purchases I'm guessing. So barely make any money on a good clip and probably lose money if you put out bad content so I get it. No one wants to work for free, but also producers should take into consideration that they are not working. This is a passion for the majority of us. A fun activity. And since when are hobbies something you can make serious money off of? Sometimes, but not always.

If/when I become a producer I'm already throwing my videos out on a site like Pornhub as a much worse quality for free. If you want the high quality clip and can afford it I'd hope to get some downloads on C4S to at least make some of the money back.

I read your entire post and I couldn't make much sense of it. What I was saying is this: People should become members on Patreon to the sites they like, because they get a lot more bang for their buck... Same goes for producers. BTW, all of us have regular jobs, no one lives off of this, if so, that person is making C4S live a free life off of their personal work. Models are very expensive and members or clients come in few.

As mentioned above, PATREON WILL SOON ALLOW DOWNLOADS.

 

[tzimber2003]

I had used Patreon from October of last year to April for downloading tickling art. There were only 3 video producers I found on there and 2 of them didn't allow any downloads. I understand it's not cheap to make this material, and yet if you went with wanting a massive collection at the prices producers usually ask for you'd either have to have bought all your stuff over 20 years like I have or make $100,000 a year to be able to subscribe for $500/month for the rest of your life if the producer doesn't let you download anything. A lot of people here in the USA only make tops of $60,000 a year so if a producer doesn't allow for downloads then they are basically saying you can access my stuff half the time if that. I do think if our community was larger so that a quality clip would get thousands of downloads on C4S it wouldn't be too expensive for a producer. You spend $500 to produce and then receive 2000 x $15 = $30000. But since I'm willing to bet that our community is small and hence if a producer puts out a good clip it will get less than a thousand purchases I'm guessing. So barely make any money on a good clip and probably lose money if you put out bad content so I get it. No one wants to work for free, but also producers should take into consideration that they are not working. This is a passion for the majority of us. A fun activity. And since when are hobbies something you can make serious money off of? Sometimes, but not always.

If/when I become a producer I'm already throwing my videos out on a site like Pornhub as a much worse quality for free. If you want the high quality clip and can afford it I'd hope to get some downloads on C4S to at least make some of the money back.

You have no idea how far away you are in the 1000 orders per clip assessment..
I can't say about other producers, but even my best clips (the ones that sell the most) don't come close to this number...

 

[cletus]

You have no idea how far away you are in the 1000 orders per clip assessment..
I can't say about other producers, but even my best clips (the ones that sell the most) don't come close to this number...

Maybe my response was a bit rambling, but I was very clear in saying I'm guessing tickling porn is not regular porn. Regular porn, if it's an amazing clip (whatever that is) probably does get a few thousand downloads at the very least, but with the tickling kink being I'm guessing 5% if that of the worldwide population, and many people will just not buy anything even if it were only $1 I'm guessing tickling porn gets less than 1000 downloads even for a Audrey Dupree, Samantha, etc. clip.

 

[cletus]

As mentioned above, PATREON WILL SOON ALLOW DOWNLOADS.

And I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this. Of the maybe 3 video producers I became a Patron of for a month only 1 had a few clips that at that time could be downloaded. The other 2 either couldn't upload large clips if that's what you're talking about or just didn't allow for it.

As for tickling art producers been able to download all of their content unless they specifically did make their content unable to download, in which case I was straight up annoyed. I get that tickling vids do cost some serious money to make for the vast majority of people (you know those of us who make less than 100k a year) and so I can totally get behind having to pay for vids, but art? First of all, there are only like 5 artists who can or willingly do draw tickling art that looks life like. BAC being the prime example. If he were still active I'd be a Patron more than just once in a while. But most artists are at best halfway between him and I (someone who can't draw anything) and for that and with many of them drawing cartoony looking stuff or furries I'm not paying anything. If I subscribe to their Patron it's the same as me being nice to the waiter and leaving a tip. For an artist what does it cost also? Time and maybe an expensive piece of software? Or you could just you know draw like they did pre 1990 and then use a scanner to upload to the internet.

 

[kingmaker]

INo one wants to work for free, but also producers should take into consideration that they are not working. This is a passion for the majority of us. A fun activity. And since when are hobbies something you can make serious money off of? Sometimes, but not always.

If/when I become a producer I'm already throwing my videos out on a site like Pornhub as a much worse quality for free. If you want the high quality clip and can afford it I'd hope to get some downloads on C4S to at least make some of the money back.

Most of the producers I know are full pro or semi pro, and even if you are only looking at breaking even it is hard.

The real figures is that your clip will sell like 20 times when you are lucky, and then maybe sell 10-15 times in the 2 next years.

Some shoot with models completely flops, and some others are Hits. That's why your maths are wrong, nobody sells a clip 1000 times, nowadays if you make a big hit it is selling more than 50 times for same clip in 30 days.

And very little producers are capable of achieving this

 

[cletus]

Most of the producers I know are full pro or semi pro, and even if you are only looking at breaking even it is hard.

The real figures is that your clip will sell like 20 times when you are lucky, and then maybe sell 10-15 times in the 2 next years.

Some shoot with models completely flops, and some others are Hits. That's why your maths are wrong, nobody sells a clip 1000 times, nowadays if you make a big hit it is selling more than 50 times for same clip in 30 days.

And very little producers are capable of achieving this

Yeah doesn't surprise me as an accountant by trade. If it costs 300 for a non pro model and the cost of all the other lighting, furniture, etc. is 10-15k gonna take a long time to make the money back. Considering 50 x $15 at 50% keep because of C4S policy that's gonna come out to less than $400 which covers the model, but barely anything else.

 

[kingmaker]

You are both over estimating costs and revenue lol

 

[cletus]

You are both over estimating costs and revenue lol

I'm sure revenues are terrible and I don't know the exact number for costs, but it has to be a bit unless you're talking no bondage, crappy camera, girl next door who doesn't know she could've gotten 300 if she insisted. I mean for me I live in an apartment building with a solid front door, but not 100% sure about the wall on the bedroom where I've hoped to be able to set up a production space by 2030. Will want to sort of sound proof that shared wall. Have lighting I assume. Decent camera. Bed, chair, maybe a mock torture rack for effect. That last thing alone I've found on a few sites that are in Europe and charge $3000 for. So may not be feasible.

 

[kingmaker]

Man, there is no producer that buys 10 K of equipment.

Mirorless + lens (which is the quality level that only maybe 4 producers have) -> 3 to 4000 USD
Lighting : 300 USD
Having custom stocks made ? 100 to 500 USD

girl next door who doesn't know she could've gotten 300 if she insisted

Now for models, US is more expensive than rest of the world and prices vary greatly.

 

[Boba_Fettish]

Man, there is no producer that buys 10 K of equipment.

Mirorless + lens (which is the quality level that only maybe 4 producers have) -> 3 to 4000 USD
Lighting : 300 USD
Having custom stocks made ? 100 to 500 USD



Now for models, US is more expensive than rest of the world and prices vary greatly.

That isn't remotely true.
I've certainly spent more than 10k in the few years I've been in.

As for costs vs content, I can say I hit a profit monthly. That isnt a flex but someone said above (too lazy to scroll) that youre lucky to break even. I can't vouch for anyone else but I've never gone in the red, even when new. I just refuse to be stupid financially. The fact is, there are too many in this to scratch their kink itch. Its just a sad reality. They don't want to pay the 'session' prices, so they become producers - which is a massive red flag to myself, and many models.
I know one girl I've worked with a fair amount (yes we swap stories) who said a guy hired her for a bondage shoot, and when she was bound on the floor she looked up and the dude didn't even have a camera set up.

Yeah thats not creepy at all.

I'll try to stay on point and not tirade here.

I've had several clips that have hit 1k, as I'm sure many others have. It isn't that it WILL sell, its how long it takes. Anything you put out you'll eventually get your return back. Some sell far slower than others but you'll make it back in time if you're in the game long enough.
Now, if it takes me three years to get my investment back on a model I'm not going to hire them again, no matter how good I thought it was.

Its bizarre and many of us have talked about this in private also. I cannot fathom why some clips sell and others are far slower. I'll have a drop dead gorgeous girl who is extremely reactive and yet....it does 'ok' but not as good as something I didn't see a lot of promise it. Its an odd thing. And I'm off topic again lol

Could I currently live off this? Sure. But that idea is terrifying, same with models. None of us 'know' what you'll bring home monthly. I know what I range, but would you want to gamble your bills on that? I surely wouldn't/won't. I'm a few years from retiring my vanilla job, and I'll have a full retirement check to depend on at that point, with my fetish gig being my main focus.

I'll probably make a much longer post about producing for those interested.

 

[kingmaker]

You have to remember you are an American producer and most customers are from your country.
All the non-US producers start with a handicap because of a smaller "domestic market"

Americans have a whole industry in place, with pro models touring, model mayhem, fetlife .. All of this is almost non existant in other countries (Uk seems to be catching up but otherwise it's quite bad everywhere else in the world)

Also for any "Internet Job" you have a very wide fork of revenues, same for youtubers, bloggers, twitch streamers ... It's only a very few % that makes a lot of money

That isn't remotely true.
I've certainly spent more than 10k in the few years I've been in.

We were talking about gear to get started. Of course I probably spend around 10K myself ... in 6 years of active production, and that is gear I spent for other type of multimedia work as well.