Pro work: Tickling only.

[Babyshambles]

All this talk of ethics and morality. I want to hear Crystal Light describe the kind of session that she wants to do.

Kis123's comments were right on about the pragmatic realities of what it would take to make this work from a business point of view. But if all you want is just to do something that you enjoy anyway and get paid for it once in a while, does it really matter if you make a little or a lot?

Yes it does. Because you will acquire a character from this. You will forever be a tickler in the eyes of the world. Your name, image and personality will be known as a tickler.

This could come back to haunt some people.

 

[solescratcher99]

Yes it does. Because you will acquire a character from this. You will forever be a tickler in the eyes of the world. Your name, image and personality will be known as a tickler.

This could come back to haunt some people.

That only matters to people who judge themselves as harshly as you do.

 

[Soda Bobinski]

And TKLMAN played some Ad-Libs with someone with a Bachelors in English. I'm sorry, but attempting to substantiate your view by replacing words in a paragraph does not show a sufficient level of depth to be taken seriously.

I'm sorry ... is this the part where I ( we all ) bow down to you & your superior intelligence?

 

[CrystalLight]

* Yes I am considering exploring this concept.

This is true, but your sexuality is not a set of little boxes that are all neatly separated. They connect, like a maze of twisty little passages. What goes into one 'box' might pop out in another by surprise. Perhaps in two or three others. Looking at ones sexuality as less then a whole is useful for understanding it, but doing so when you are trying to see how it will develop or be touched by something, is a path to surprise.

OK. To roll with the theory that my sexuality is a series of mazes; If one can be 'used up' or used in excess, then there's certainly more to fall back on. And if one becomes damaged, then the strength in the others should repair that, correct?

You might be making the division on the objective mental level, but would you on the others once you found what was needful for you to provide good service?

A good service through tickling is a lot different then a good service through BDSM or other hard-core activities that require a person to constantly have to be in an aggressive/forth-coming posture. If it's something that you lean more towards being and acting, then it's going to drain you out quicker. And it'll become almost chore-like.

As far as all the jibber-jabber about morality and prostitution and whatnot, it's all open to individual interpretation. Everyone is going to see it differently and will likely never come to an agreement on it.

Agreed. And screw being my pimp-daddy. You'd be more fit to be Security.

As for sex...who says that has to be on the menu?

Agreed. It was never a notion that had entered into my head, due to the obvious fact that it's something I just don't and would refuse to do.

Just a question of curiosity, Crystal Light. What do you envision yourself wearing during your tickling sessions?

Yeah; I'm not sure. The topic of clothing was never really entertained... I'm sure it'd be some form of fet-gear though.

fwiw, I support your idea and hope you make it work.

Like I said; I think it's an extremely valid concept. And shit: Bella and Lee would be perfect to work alongside as well...

See, and that is me. I would pay only for tickling and probably pay more because I know that's all that would happen. I would be paying for good tickling and feel safe that tickling would be all that would happen.

If anything else were to ever happen in a situation like that, it could mean a serious law-suit for the person giving the experience.

Let me say, I try to hate on the soul-less Big Huge stores that sell 4000 different things, I really do, and I despise Walmart...but I do shop at Meijer and similar places and I MISS Woolworths; as a working mom I can't hate on a store where I can get cookies, a hamster, and new sneakers all in one store at 1am

Slightly OT Response: YES. Thank you! I used to live behind a wal-mart. I could throw a rock from my parking lot and hit the place.

A lot of walks happened during my pregnancy and in the middle of the night once Spawn made his appearance.

All this talk of ethics and morality. I want to hear Crystal Light describe the kind of session that she wants to do.

A session would probably happen after talking with the client for a bit, and also after a form of a screen were to happen. I would find out what kind of session that they were interested in, figure out what style of bondage would be required if any and if tools (ugh!) were necessary.

On an aside: I'm not stellar at tying ropes, so that'd be another thing I'd have to learn.

Anyways,

After setting a safe word and figuring out what it is that they're looking for, the scene will play out.

 

[doseone]

Ok I wanted to respond to this thread this morning when I was reading it, but had to go to work and realized that I wouldn't be able to give a valid post until I had enough time. First off a thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that some models are doing this already. Maybe to a lesser extent as they don't specialize just in tickling, but you can have tickling sessions with both the lovely Addie Juniper from tickle chicks as well as the mature asian goddess Tomiko. Who I can guess or can somewhat gather have had no problems with law enforcement or unruly clients. Plus you might want to contact them to get their impact/feedback as to the best way to go about getting into something like this. However since your just going to be catering to people who want to be tickled you already have a great built in niche' with this forum as far as finding a potential clientele.

Another question I have for Crystal/Jo is this something you would be considering traveling to people for? Meaning like throughout the US? If so you the best neutral place would be hotel rooms, as that's where a lot of people I have met who do this sort of thing do. Plus screening will be an important factor, especially if you can get references from them about other dominatrix's they have seen or who can provide they are a legit person who you don't have to worry about.

Personally I think this is a great idea as a 28y/o single male who is a primarily a lee I have hardly no luck in finding women to tickle me. It doesn't help that I am not always comfortable admitting I like being tickled. Then you put in the fact that I'm in a location(Seattle) where the gathering that are taking place are almost 90% male, which would make me feel uncomfortable as I'm not sure how I feel about being around other guys with a similar fetish. For me being tickled has been and always has been about one thing nothing more than a great stress relief technique, that I have used for the majority of my life to de-stress and relax. Unfortunately finding either friends or other people to engage in this so I've primarily had to go the route of paying for dominatrix's or even seeing escorts. So for me this would be a godsend to find someone who likes it as much as me and is actually willing to engage in it with me or help me with it. Anyway that's my thoughts on the matter, thanks and Crystal/Jo if you do end up deciding to do this I want to know when you make it out to Seattle. :0]

 

[goddess_nemesis]

Agreed. All I'm saying is, the more you offer, the more money you will make.

That is if in the hypothetical all Crystal cared about was making money then it would make sense to offer more. But if all she wants to do is make money by doing something she loves to do, then it's more of a choice to offer more or not.

I think solely offering tickling services would probably be pretty successful as a part time gig to make extra money. I know a few people who pick up part time jobs selling whatever (makeup, jewelry, candles, even sex toys). Some make enough money to actually sustain themselves rather supplement their income.

To make it successful as a full time gig, it would take a lot more work, but if you're determined, it could work.

Whatever you decide to do, just be sure to know the risks and take care of your safety. If you do go for it, good luck.

 

[rhiannon]

And that is my whole point with this. Crystal would be in essence the beautiful model doing the awful photos if she compromised her business and did other things that the masses wanted. I am very glad that you didn't do that to yourself either. It is sad when people do that. And don't discount your own looks. Beauty can be many things.

If Crystal does it just for fun and not because it brings food on the table, then it is no problem! Then she can afford only offering what she wants. That's my whole point here.

And thanks for the reassurance.

 

[rhiannon]

That is if in the hypothetical all Crystal cared about was making money then it would make sense to offer more. But if all she wants to do is make money by doing something she loves to do, then it's more of a choice to offer more or not.

I think solely offering tickling services would probably be pretty successful as a part time gig to make extra money. I know a few people who pick up part time jobs selling whatever (makeup, jewelry, candles, even sex toys). Some make enough money to actually sustain themselves rather supplement their income.

To make it successful as a full time gig, it would take a lot more work, but if you're determined, it could work.

Whatever you decide to do, just be sure to know the risks and take care of your safety. If you do go for it, good luck.

Quoted for truth.

 

[huskys]

I can't buy into the prostitution argument, because it is actually legal in this country. Yes, Skippy was surprised as well. lol
However, the idea itself is completely sound.
There are the safety and security issues which should be paramount, but as a business prospect I doubt very much that it would be anything but a huge success!!!
How do I know?? Because a friend of mine, he actually owns and runs the Aussie Tickler website, found it incredibly hard to find people (no matter how much he paid) to feature in, either as a lee or a ler, even with identities hidden, any type of tickling video's.
I actually went to a few places for him in Melbourne, (yes the afore mentioned legal establishments),to see what I could find out about the way tickling was perceived.
The results shocked me!!!
Most people, males and females, were either bewildered by the idea or thought it was a joke.
To make money for either lering or leeing, was not something that many thought possible.
To offer it as a service was considered to be a waste of time.
Yet ................ I would be the first to agree that the amount of "closet ticklers" that are out there would be more than enough to insure that business would be "booming", for anyone who had the notion to enter into that market.
And I must say to you personally Jo, that anyone who thought less of you for doing it, probably isn't someone who cares that much anyway!
Good luck with your decision!!!

 

[Bohemianne]

You have talents in writing and can still do more with that HTML...

All in all I consider this "service" risky for your safety. If you're after earning bucks and enjoy tickling at the same time, doing it with total strangers is dangerous. [or who am I to say this?]

Why not just consider working with the producers around here at TMF who happen to be your friends? [...and Producers, why don't you just hire her?]. Oh well... *scratches head*

Actually I should be minding my own business now.

 

[BellaRisa]

All in all I consider this "service" risky for your safety. If you're after earning bucks and enjoy tickling at the same time, doing it with total strangers is dangerous. [or who am I to say this?]

Why not just consider working with the producers around here at TMF who happen to be your friends? [...and Producers, why don't you just hire her?]. Oh well... *scratches head*

Actually I should be minding my own business now.

Actually you're genuine concern for Crystal is lovely, I'm sure she appreciates it

Having said that, the safety issue is important but not to the point of avoiding what could be a fun and lucrative endeavor. I was a pro-'ler/'lee for awhile, years ago. It's just not a big deal and people in this thread are making it out to be far more 'OMG' than it is. Someone contacts you and inquires about your services, and if they sound sane you ask to meet for coffee or dinner in a very public yet can-be-discreet place (Ruby Tuesdays, Starbucks, etc) and make sure you feel comfortable with this person; it's fine if they don't have a sparkling personality but if your Spidersense is tingling you DON'T proceed. If the public meeting goes well you agree to a session, perhaps that same evening but usually another night at a hotel. The night of the session you let trusted friends know exactly where you'll be and you have safe calls in place for specific times. You're compensated *before* the session and before entering the hotel room, and you call it something else just in case the client is some PITA cop trying to cause trouble.(What you're doing doesn't have to be against the law for a bored/self righteous cop to try to give you a hard time.) My clients would say it was capital to help me make more videos, and in truth it was Then you enjoy your session and usually spend time just talking and relaxing for awhile afterwards. You part company and life goes on.

Can you earn your living that way? I'd say yes, eventually after building a regular clientele and being willing to travel. People with money will pay well to have their fantasies realized. To be blunt, I'm a chubby tiny brown chick and I did just fine; a slinky blonde could do ridiculously well. I gave it up for the same reasons I gave up stripping, it was too much travel and late nights for the money to be worth it for a wife and mom in her '30's, though occasionally for the right client...anyway, if it's something you want to pursue go right ahead, don't expect to get rich but you can definitely do well and stay safe if you do it right. And as for whether it's a good idea, if you're 'better' than that...puh-leeze, I think the guy who made millions off the Pet Rock is a bigger ho than a pro-tickler Not to rant, but I've always sensed a jealousy in some people to others being paid for something that's just plain fun, earning a living should always involve drudgery; wanna sit in a cubicle or start a winter dog-walking business? They'll support you 100%. Wanna get paid the same money or much more to tickle the hell out of a businessman tied to your bed while you're wearing a Little Red Riding Hood costume, and split a pizza with him after? Shame on you, you're better than that. Um...yeah

 

[huskys]

Well said Bella!!!
Genuine concern, (and there has been a lot of it), is wonderful. It is testimony to how well liked Jo is, and rightly so.
But when people start using it as an excuse to disagree in principle, it becomes pathetic.
No one is saying it is without risk. But the concept itself, and the morals of it, is up to the individual.
Personally, as I said before, I don't think there is anything wrong with the idea. No one is getting hurt, and it fills a niche that right now is very wide open.
If you don't agree than you too are welcome to your opinion.
But rubbishing the idea on the basis that it wouldn't work?????
As Bella just said ............... yeah right.

 

[Soda Bobinski]

Actually you're genuine concern for Crystal is lovely, I'm sure she appreciates it

Having said that, the safety issue is important but not to the point of avoiding what could be a fun and lucrative endeavor. I was a pro-'ler/'lee for awhile, years ago. It's just not a big deal and people in this thread are making it out to be far more 'OMG' than it is. Someone contacts you and inquires about your services, and if they sound sane you ask to meet for coffee or dinner in a very public yet can-be-discreet place (Ruby Tuesdays, Starbucks, etc) and make sure you feel comfortable with this person; it's fine if they don't have a sparkling personality but if your Spidersense is tingling you DON'T proceed. If the public meeting goes well you agree to a session, perhaps that same evening but usually another night at a hotel. The night of the session you let trusted friends know exactly where you'll be and you have safe calls in place for specific times. You're compensated *before* the session and before entering the hotel room, and you call it something else just in case the client is some PITA cop trying to cause trouble.(What you're doing doesn't have to be against the law for a bored/self righteous cop to try to give you a hard time.) My clients would say it was capital to help me make more videos, and in truth it was Then you enjoy your session and usually spend time just talking and relaxing for awhile afterwards. You part company and life goes on.

Can you earn your living that way? I'd say yes, eventually after building a regular clientele and being willing to travel. People with money will pay well to have their fantasies realized. To be blunt, I'm a chubby tiny brown chick and I did just fine; a slinky blonde could do ridiculously well. I gave it up for the same reasons I gave up stripping, it was too much travel and late nights for the money to be worth it for a wife and mom in her '30's, though occasionally for the right client...anyway, if it's something you want to pursue go right ahead, don't expect to get rich but you can definitely do well and stay safe if you do it right. And as for whether it's a good idea, if you're 'better' than that...puh-leeze, I think the guy who made millions off the Pet Rock is a bigger ho than a pro-tickler Not to rant, but I've always sensed a jealousy in some people to others being paid for something that's just plain fun, earning a living should always involve drudgery; wanna sit in a cublicle or start a winter dog-walking business? They'll support you 100%. Wanna get paid the same money or much more to tickle the hell out of a businessman tied to your bed while you're wearing a Little Red Riding Hood costume, and split a pizza with him after? Shame on you, you're better than that. Um...yeah

I think I just fell in love w/you all over again.

 

[tklcouple]

Wow! What a thread!

CrystalLight,

Once in a while a thread really takes off and catches people's attention and inspires debate and discussion. Looks like this is one of those. The academic types like myself love this kind of stuff so allow me to say "thanks" first of all for spurring the discussion!

I have never met CL (unfortunately) but I suspect that, reading what she has written, that she is not about to quit her day job today and hang out her "tickler" shingle tomorrow. This would be an unwise business move and the concept of trying a business out as a part-time endeavor to see if it takes off is something I would imagine she is savvy enough to do.

I would also imagine, as with any other potential business owner, she understands that consultation with an attorney versed in business law would be money well invested to avoid legal problems and to be sure her company policies are air tight so far as pandering laws, taxes, etc. are concerned should this become more than an occasional, once in a while type thing and she has a regular client base.

Also, if you are patient, business wise, good at what you do and know how to market you can sell just about anything in this country. Alexander Graham Bell was told the telephone was a dumb idea. The Beatles were turned down by recording companies when they started told they didn't have the sound people were looking for. We now laugh but time does yield a certain perspective.

Protecting your heart and understanding its inalterable connection to your body is a real consideration albeit a personal one. Protecting yourself both bodily (see recommendation above about a 'bouncer' - a good idea) and emotionally is important and for any business to succeed should be a top priority. I recommend consulting with other "pro domme" types for advice. Also finding a "pro-domme" to mentor you in developing this business would be wise .(You may have to endure a few ticklings from her in exchange but this is a small price to pay in exchange for some guidance from someone who has 'made it' in the field you are pursuing).

As with any public forum, the opinions will be varied and that is in part the beauty (and the sometimes the ugliness) of a medium such as this. Some counsel that has been shared with me, CL, I'll pass along: feedback is nice and should be appreciated whether positive or negative; that said, not every comment requires (or deserves) a response. So don't feel obligated to respond to every hem and haw should you be tempted to. Keep your poise and your dignity and amidst the criticism your true character will shine through and once that is seen, anyone with any quality of character will admire you for who you are. Anyone else's opinion is no more than that - just an opinion. Hope that helps.

I wish you all the best, CL. Good luck!

Professor Tkl​

 

[meangry]

I'm sorry ... is this the part where I ( we all ) bow down to you & your superior intelligence?

I took it easy on you because someone asked me to. So you really should.

 

[Soda Bobinski]

I took it easy on you because someone asked me to. So you really should.

Gee , thanks , meangry.

Yer the best.

 

[JesseinSD]

Am I the only one who isn't suprised that this post is not overflowing with people begging to be Crystal's first victim? I appreciate the need to be coy and all and I am about 80% ler myself, but come on...who wouldn't want to be tickled by Crystal?

I do see that you need a bit of instruction with ropes. I will gladly submit myself for a practice session, but be forewarned that if you don't do your work well and I escape, the table my just turn.

Seriously though, a fun and thought stimulating post. Not sure why everybody got so worked up about it.

 

[Oddjob0226]

Not a bad idea.

Except - huh?

They avoid gatherings or scoff at them due to it being so personal for them that the idea of people getting together socially in a 'tickling minded' environment pretty much freaks them out.

 

[CrystalLight]

Not a bad idea.

Except - huh?

Not that difficult. Most have openly scorned gatherings of any kind for the outlined reasons.

 

[CrystalLight]

Seriously though, a fun and thought stimulating post. Not sure why everybody got so worked up about it.

Because vengence fall down upon thee who dares tread into areas of possible prostitution!!

 

[tklshchris]

I say go for it...I think you would be hugely successful.

 

[Oddjob0226]

Not that difficult. Most have openly scorned gatherings of any kind for the outlined reasons.

Maybe you're on UHF and I'm on VHF - the signals I get on the subject are rather different.

 

[CrystalLight]

Maybe you're on UHF and I'm on VHF - the signals I get on the subject are rather different.

Clarify, then?

 

[BellaRisa]

Maybe you're on UHF and I'm on VHF - the signals I get on the subject are rather different.

I have to back her up on this one, hon...not to get off topic but if you look through NEST threads, especially any that are about why people do or don't attend NEST and gatherings in general, you'll see what she's talking about. A lot of folks have said that tickling is too personal and private for them to want to attend something social revolving around it, and often it is said in a way that implies that they consider it to be strange that we would do such a thing.

 

[TheTicklist]

Hi. Long time first time, in the sense that even posting about it is tough for me. As is chatting about it in the open. This fetish is a sexual, sensual experience / obession for me, so I keep it private. My choice. Not judging the folks who are open about it. I honestly don't think I'd ever be capable of doing that - might take a few hits of angel dust and a death threat to get me to do a NEST.

But thats me. Im happy for folks that find it a healthy outlet. For myself, juggling a lot of things business wise, I find the pay -for- tickle option best, and take advantage whenever I can.

Like any other form of pay for play, it lacks the visceral, romantic BING BANG BOOM that genuine romantic play does, but I will take it , because a gathering option just is unthinkable for me.

Thats .. what works for me. There are certain ladies ( i wouldn't presume to insult them by naming them) where if they were to offer that service professionally, I'd be paying glady... because they are special.

Thanks