Tickled Beyond Hope - Evil Twisted Mindfuck Torture with "cupcakes" M/f -READ WARNING

[BleuFetish/Mystery Hands]

I have to agree here. I found this scene fascinating. Way too often, a clip, video or scene gets judged by the specific kind of laughter out of a model/'lee/sub. It's not always the same, and something that's been discussed ad nauseum for years now.

I guess it's a matter of mindset coming into watching this. If anyone has used tickling as a tool or part of a true BDSM scene, then you're gonna appreciate this on a different level. It doesn't have to be screaming to be torment. If you know what you're looking for, you can see it right there in front of you.

For what it's worth, I loved it.

Also impressive, and I mentioned this in Cavum's clip as well, was that you thought to show at least a touch of the aftercare process. I like that.

Keep up the great work, you've always rocked, J!

Thanks Dave
always appreciate your kind words and support

I agree about the aftercare, when we do something that we know will bother a bunch of people and many will find too intense, we like to show the aftercare or an after interview so people can see it's consensual.

regards
MJ

 

[PiperGK1]

Hopefully everyone on the flame-free forum will follow your lead, as well as the Golden Rule, and treat all other members with kindness and respect all the time. !

I agree with this part of your post wholeheartedly. I remember a while back when I would read posts, most people were mature enough to either be supportive, or simply say something like "Not my thing, but thanks for posting." I stopped reading people's opinions for a long time because generally when you see 10000 or 20000 views with 3 or more pages of replies, you'd be tempted to think the post was great, but typically its a litany of complete flame-immersive comments. Maybe the moderators, if they're paying attention any more, could try to remind others that while their opinions are valid and welcome, they should still show some respect in the manner in which they express themselves.

I didn't think there was anything at all wrong with the clip. Did it live up to the hype? Well, it was free, so frankly I don't think it had to. If I didn't like it, I wouldn't buy it. One thing that I really like about "hype" is that it builds me up in a nice way and is much more interesting than saying, "Hi, here's a clip. I'm tickling a girl. Enjoy."

 

[BleuFetish/Mystery Hands]

I agree with this part of your post wholeheartedly. I remember a while back when I would read posts, most people were mature enough to either be supportive, or simply say something like "Not my thing, but thanks for posting." I stopped reading people's opinions for a long time because generally when you see 10000 or 20000 views with 3 or more pages of replies, you'd be tempted to think the post was great, but typically its a litany of complete flame-immersive comments. Maybe the moderators, if they're paying attention any more, could try to remind others that while their opinions are valid and welcome, they should still show some respect in the manner in which they express themselves.

I didn't think there was anything at all wrong with the clip. Did it live up to the hype? Well, it was free, so frankly I don't think it had to. If I didn't like it, I wouldn't buy it. One thing that I really like about "hype" is that it builds me up in a nice way and is much more interesting than saying, "Hi, here's a clip. I'm tickling a girl. Enjoy."

Yes... I'm not sure when people became so angry.

Probably about the same time that there was 3000 tickling producers and most of them made complete crap and lied to their customers over and over.

I can't say I blame people for being a bit more cynical... but I do wish that they'd keep in mind that the people who have been around for a long time may have proven to them that they have a bit more integrity... then again... maybe not

MJ

 

[Oddjob0226]

I used to run with a group called Lone Star PEP and there were plenty of BDSM aficianadoes. I was the only tickler. Some of these people could take absolutely horrifying stuff: heavy whipping, genital piercing, electricity, and so on.....

But most of them wouldn't go near tickling. Some of them thought it too childish and not "S & M-y" enough (or was maybe that just a cover?)

Others were simply to scared or unnerved to be tickled. They could take needles under their toenails and their eyebrows being plucked but couldn't handle tickling.

So from my own personal experience I think this preview, and the description with it, was pretty dang truthful and realistic. Many BDSM folks who are ticklish but NOT into tickling don't often laugh, giggle, do that stopstopstop thing. They get upset, or angry, or scared. They try to hold it in or turn it off. They laugh some, but not like the way us ticklers/lees do.

Whipping, for exapmle, is taking a stimulous and 'wearing' someone down to their weaker level. With tickling, there is no wearing down; you're ticklish or your not. There may be different degrees of ticklishness, or some methods may work better than others, but with tickling the ticklishness IS the weakness, the continued application of stimulation isn't needed - the first second of tickling is as tormenting as the last second 30 minutes later.

That's why a lot of BDSM people don't get into it - there's a total and almost immidate loss of control. Not that gradual wearing down, nor the usual endorphin wash that comes over someone with applied pain. Tickling is different.

So when I see this "non-ticklish" woman being tickled, struggling, resisting, holding it in, very little laughter or begging, etc...... it's not that she isn't ticklish, it's that tickling isn't part of her (sub)culture. In her own way she's actually going through a mental hell that tickle folks go through at a physical level when they play as intensley. Not everyone responds the same. Not everyone goes though headspace the same way.

In this video, it looks like the "torture" response is more subtle than in many other videos. Doesn't mean it's not there. An Impressionist painting and a NeoClassical painting aren't more or less beautiful by today's art standards, just differently beautiful.

Jab someone with a red hot poker for 5 minutes on his bare back. Then take someone else and drop water on her forehead for 3 hours nonstop while utterly immoble. Both will have different reactions. Both situations will look different. But either way, for each victim, both situations will suck.

She ticklish. It's a good clip. It's just different.

 

[nomercymaster]

I demand my 1min 25 sec. back. One of the worst clip's I've ever seen. You should be imprisoned for the fakeness of this clip. Please leave the business. I'm not looking for a response, so please don't bother writing one.

 

[herodotusrexx]

great clip

I bought the clip. At circa $25.00, it was at the top end of what I like to spend on a clip, but after seeing it, I have to say it is now one of my favorites. The lee is pretty, has a NICE body (as the ler says in the full clip as her top comes off, she has "perfect breasts") and the way she moves is what fantasies are made of. I don't know if her pleading for him to stop was acting or not, but it was convincing for this old pervert.

I tend to like the upper body stuff more than the feet and this clip has plenty of it. If I had to complain at all its that the pre-bondage, clothed part at the beginning is a bit too long.

Below is the content of an mplayer .edl file that I created that edits out all but the upper body stuff. Use the -edl option against a file containing this to view the editted down version:

linux:> cat cup.wmv.edl
0 580 0
802 840 0
870 912 0
1060 1080 0
1120 1145 0
1475 1520 0
1560 1700 0
1835 1905 0
1955 2140 0
2180 2210 0

 

[BleuFetish/Mystery Hands]

I bought the clip. At circa $25.00, it was at the top end of what I like to spend on a clip, but after seeing it, I have to say it is now one of my favorites. The lee is pretty, has a NICE body (as the ler says in the full clip as her top comes off, she has "perfect breasts") and the way she moves is what fantasies are made of. I don't know if her pleading for him to stop was acting or not, but it was convincing for this old pervert.

She does have great tits... doesnt she?

Thanks for the kind words Herod, glad you liked it so much

also, as far as the extra in the beginning and the no editing at the end...
we discounted the clip by $12 so that we could give you folks a whole bunch of extra stuff for free, the clip is actually 37 minutes long.

and yes... the pleading is 100 percent genuine

MJ

 

[ticklish boy]

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I'm sorry to say it, but I think she's acting...and she's not even a good actrees. I can't say I am a ticklign expert, but she doesn't seem to have proper ticklish reactions. I believe the producers of the clip overreact a little. Firstly, the girl seems to know that she has to simulate the ticklishness, but as I said, she isn't a very good actrees. Secondly, the warning is obviously made to increase the sellings. Let's be serious: when you read such a warning you would pay anything to see the clip and the poor girl tortured. I can't say it's not a good clip, but...she's not that ticklish

 

[tenaciousT]

hype

This company has always been very good at overstating the content. "unbelievable" "extrordinarily" "extreme torture"

Ya right.

While they certainly dont "suck", they might learn a thing or two from you-know-who, whats-his-face, and even that big guy. No need to mention names.

Hype hype hype. If the same effort to promote and hype, was put into finding excellent models who dont have to overact, I would think sales would be through the roof.

 

[Pedro]

I don't know why this post keeps getting slammed.. BFV is among the best if not THE best producers out there.. and while other producers have fallen off as far as quality.. and others have dissapeared altogether.. this producer has continued to give clips that i have to say always intrigue me. A producer advertising their material as "extreme" is doing just that... advertising. In my opinion BFV has made these types of videos (I am speaking from seeing only the preview clips, yes I can tell from those that these videos are legit..flame me if u want but u know i am right.) and isn't near as bad as all the other "top producers" of this type of fetish material as far as false advertising goes.

 

[drew70]

This is not my thing, and here's why.

I watched the preview clip and was thoroughly nauseated. The girl DOES look like the typical BDSM chick, tattoos, weirdly colored hair, lots of hardware, etc. That's fine if you like that kind of thing, but let's not pretend the stereotype is not easily identified.

The tickler was horrendous. There was no "journey." There was no "art." He plowed over her with no finesse whatsoever. It was basically this guy in a silly mask doing what HE wanted to do, not caring in the slightest for her discomfort.

Two thumbs down, I'm afraid.
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[BleuFetish/Mystery Hands]

This is not my thing, and here's why.

I watched the preview clip and was thoroughly nauseated. The girl DOES look like the typical BDSM chick, tattoos, weirdly colored hair, lots of hardware, etc. That's fine if you like that kind of thing, but let's not pretend the stereotype is not easily identified.

The tickler was horrendous. There was no "journey." There was no "art." He plowed over her with no finesse whatsoever. It was basically this guy in a silly mask doing what HE wanted to do, not caring in the slightest for her discomfort.

Two thumbs down, I'm afraid.
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And you were able to decipher this by watching about 30 seconds of content in a preview, of the 37 Minutes that are in the full clip... Well... you must be very talented sir... Far more so then The Mystery Hands and his silly mask.

This clip is really pushing some major buttons... I've never seen people so angry about getting something free

 

[drew70]

LOL. I'm not angry, man. I just assumed you are interested in genuine feedback beyond "sucked" or "lame." And yes I based my comments on the preview clip provided by...guess who? If it's such a poor representation of the full version, perhaps you'll consider a new editor.

I mean surely you must realize that fair or not, the preview clip is not only going to be that on which the majority of us will base our responses, but will be the primary factor in deciding whether or not to purchase the full version.
So when editing a preview clip, it's in your best interests to make sure that it fairly accurately reflects what the full version is about. It helps you because you can get more reliable feedback, and it helps us to better determine if it's something we want to buy.
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[BellaRisa]

Excellent Preview

I just watched the preview clip twice and I thoroughly enjoyed it! I loved the dialogue, I thought the tickling was well done especially the underarm play, her reactions felt genuine and the aftercare hug was wonderful to see. Another great job from Bleu Fetish

 

[ILuvShoes]

I don't get something so please feel free in telling me what is wrong with this whole picture?! Are you the "owner" of this company or are you just the "tickler" or shall I say "mystery hands" of this company?

When you post anything on here I would imagine you’re interested in feedback, right? That is what keeps this company on top right? I mean why do you post anything then? This is why you’re here to try things out see if it works if it doesn’t you try something new if that doesn’t work then maybe this isn’t your “calling”.

In my line of work I am constantly running into a client who doesn’t like this product maybe they’d like that product but I can’t afford that product right now so I give them what I feel will work. People are entitled to an opinion especially when you post in a public forum.

To get upset and throw something at someone expecting them not to respond in the way YOU want come on now??? You chose this place like many others did to share, live, laugh, enjoy the company of others, make friends, whether it be on line or in person, connect with someone and fall in love, etc and in doing so when someone has an opinion on what THEY feel you come back with this: “And you were able to decipher this by watching about 30 seconds of content in a preview, of the 37 Minutes that are in the full clip... Well... you must be very talented sir” In his own way maybe he is talented who are you to judge?

Mind you he isn’t saying you’re not talented he just didn’t like what he saw. I know first hand after a few years of being in business when I see something right away in my line of work I can judge whether or not my clients will like what I have or not that’s why I do what “I do”.

I don’t want to make waves here and it’s not just you I’ve read other peoples comments to free clips I just thought I would respond to yours so I’m not just calling you out please know this. You post a “free” clip and in doing so expect the unexpected welcome to the real world and welcome to feedback. If you take everything so serious all the time you won’t make it. Yes I get upset at times that I spend let’s say $5,000.00 at a Trade Show on a product that I felt my clients would enjoy then I find out a month down the road they are not happy not sure and they may not purchase in fact they don’t want it after all. It’s just business.

I’m glad the people of the TMF post comments about “video clips” and other postings makes me consider whether or not I would watch the “free clip”. I chose not too on my own after seeing the pictures and again that’s my opinion and guess what sweetie I’m entitled to it.

P.S. People express themselves in their own way if you see they are getting angry let it go it's just a clip sweetie don't stress it seriously.

Smile

And you were able to decipher this by watching about 30 seconds of content in a preview, of the 37 Minutes that are in the full clip... Well... you must be very talented sir... Far more so then The Mystery Hands and his silly mask.

This clip is really pushing some major buttons... I've never seen people so angry about getting something free

 

[Dave2112]

People are going to respond the way they feel they should to certain clips/scenes...and producers are going to do the same thing. "Arguing about the arguement" seems rather counter-productive.

I think a lot of the issue with this particular scene is that you really can't "get it", so to speak, if you're looking at it strictly from a "tickling only" sense. There is fair warning that this clip is from a BDSM scene, and the interpersonal dynamics are not going to be understood by everyone.

As far as the journey of the Sub and the way the free clip may or may not represent that....well, the only thing I can think of is this. What part of a Tolkien novel do you take out to represent the journey? You know there's one there...but ANY small part of it isn't going to fully explain or explore that, so you offer what you can to get people to read the whole thing.

 

[BleuFetish/Mystery Hands]

I just watched the preview clip twice and I thoroughly enjoyed it! I loved the dialogue, I thought the tickling was well done especially the underarm play, her reactions felt genuine and the aftercare hug was wonderful to see. Another great job from Bleu Fetish

thanks Bella...
hey... it's been a long time since "The Mystery Hands" tickled you at TES 30 back in.... hmmm 2001, I think? That was a lot of fun... smooches

to the others...
folks... I very VERY rarely get involved in threads like this.
I think everyone is welcome to their opinion, that's what makes this a great country.

What initially made me speak up was that people were jumping to conclusions, saying misleading and outright incorrect statements and specifically questioning my integrity.

Many people on this board know how hard I've worked over the years to make sure BleuFetish always acted with integrity. You might not like what we do, or how we promote or whatever. BUT YOU SHOULD KNOW... that we don't lie to our customers! And to that end, we spend more time then any other producer, creating long explanations of our work so you can decide if a clip is for you, etc etc

I think that if you look at what I've said in this thread, (not what others have said) I've been pretty calm, and have merely pointed out what was incorrectly stated or didn't seem to make sense to me, or parry back with a playful jab.

I will now go back to my usual habit of only answering questions or providing requested information in these threads because... lol... "I should know better".

MJ - Owner (since someone asked who I am)

 

[DELETEDPROFILE]

do u see her getting strapped to the table in the clip?

 

[BleuFetish/Mystery Hands]

do u see her getting strapped to the table in the clip?

yep, TMH's strap her down while asking her questions about her past

 

[Mostly Harmless]

Wooowwww, an excellent preview at least from three different points.
And WHAT A GIRL !!

 

[DELETEDPROFILE]

r u gna be splitting the clip at all, or keeping it as 30 mins only

 

[BleuFetish/Mystery Hands]

r u gna be splitting the clip at all, or keeping it as 30 mins only

sorry UK, we usually do make our clips available in either a "full" clip or broken up into parts... but we thought that this one needed to be presented as a whole clip.

regards
MJ

 

[NWIBOY]

This is not my thing, and here's why.

I watched the preview clip and was thoroughly nauseated. The girl DOES look like the typical BDSM chick, tattoos, weirdly colored hair, lots of hardware, etc. That's fine if you like that kind of thing, but let's not pretend the stereotype is not easily identified.

The tickler was horrendous. There was no "journey." There was no "art." He plowed over her with no finesse whatsoever. It was basically this guy in a silly mask doing what HE wanted to do, not caring in the slightest for her discomfort.

Two thumbs down, I'm afraid.

Maybe that was the point, to have the female not in control at all and to really be tortured?

 

[StuGatz9]

Tickled Beyond Hype

 

[Fantastickle]

Master J Videos

To Master J


First off I want to say that you are excellent at what you do and that you do have some very enjoyable videos.

That being said, I still feel I have to comment on some of the posts here.


I totally see where some of the people posting in this thread have a point and here is why.

A lot or most of your girls do look like professional bdsm girls. Girls that look like you either rented from the local bdsm escort service, or someones dom let them have the day off so they ran over to do a quick tickling video for some extra cash. There is less of a damsel in distress quality or better yet, no seemingly non consentual flair, from a totally unsuspecting victim who has "no real idea at all" about what she is getting into.

When you have a woman that looks like she has done a bondage whip video one day, a nipple clamp video the next day, etc etc., and then looks like she is just "making her rounds" to do the tickling video, you get a sense that she has a pretty good idea idea of exactly what she is getting into, and it looks like shes "been there done that", and it is just another routine side job for her. You can say something like "trust me a lot of these girls have never done a tickling video before and don't know what to expect" (and that "may" or may not be true in some cases) but, it sure doesn't look that way. A lot of these girls look like they have done and seen it all, know exactly what they are getting into, and this is just another typical side job for them.

I know that you can never have a truly non consentual video because as soon as you are done she is just going to call the cops but, there is something to be said about the innocent looking college girl or girl next door, (or even someone who looks like that), who really needs some extra cash, coming over to do a tickling video, has no clue what to expect, getting in way over her head, and then getting tickled to oblivion.

vs

Someone who just looks like she has been rented from Mistress Zora'a bondage emporium for a quick side job, and has done it all and seen it all.


Does what I am saying make sense?