What is the profit Margin for tickling Video Sites

[Comfort Eagle]

LOL dude. I've tickled nearly 300 women. I think I would know.

 

[Sandrock74]

What is "GWC"?

 

[AdmiralBeatty]

Guy With Camera. the models term for Amateur. Now as far as GWCs he looks more professional than others. I will give him that.

 

[hlkkln]

No that equates to 10 to 15 minutes of tickling. You pay them while you are setting up, doing make up. Usually a good rule, for every 10 to 15 minutes of time you see on video takes an hour to create.

Ok... it would still be okay for me to tickle a nive girl during 20 or 25 minutes by spending 200 usd ... no problem if i were in America

 

[Myriads]

I see Admiral/Soulmates argument is in this thread also. As I said in the last, Soulmates is a legitimate producer, they have bought ad space with us, run a store front, and have engaged professional models from the fetish molding community. Insulting them is a GR violation and will lead to account suspension if continued.

Cut it out.

Myriads

 

[lk70]

I've watched some video clips and this thread intrigues me. It would seem that for all your hard work you don't make a dime. Nor does any other clips producer. How is this so? It would seem to me that if just the members of this group alone bought clips you would all profit handsomely.

So are you saying that after shelling out the $500 or so for a model, after months you barely break even? And some times not even that?

Why aren't ticklers buying the clips? So many people are crying for material. I would think the moment you upload a new clip that hundreds would be there to buy it.

Honestly, how bad can the piracy be? How does this affect you? Are they posting your clips for free somewhere and any profits fall off because of this? Why would people who want material cut their own throats this way?

Why not encode with DRM and stop them from being able to upload or copy the clips?

I don't fully understand all the workings of a clips store, so please forgive my questions, but I find this info really counter-intuitive.

 

[SoleMates]

I've watched some video clips and this thread intrigues me. It would seem that for all your hard work you don't make a dime.

In my case, you are correct. I've lost money on every clip I've released save one. (To the wags who are inevitably going to ask "Why keep doing it, then?" My answer is; see any releases from me lately? I'm on hiatus and will probably be ceasing production by the end of the year.)

Nor does any other clips producer.

I wouldn't go that far. Some of the big guns are making a living off of doing this, but they're the exception.

How is this so?

Lots of reasons that all boil down to "people aren't buying our clips".

It would seem to me that if just the members of this group alone bought clips you would all profit handsomely.

You're right. They don't.

So are you saying that after shelling out the $500 or so for a model, after months you barely break even? And some times not even that?

Yes and no. I've never been stupid enough to pay $500 for a model (with one exception, and it wasn't for a single shoot; it was over several sessions), but I'll have to have another year and a half's worth of my best-selling month's income in order to make back what I've spent.

Why aren't ticklers buying the clips? So many people are crying for material. I would think the moment you upload a new clip that hundreds would be there to buy it.

Two-and-a-half reasons, IMHO.

The first is that people are cheap about paying for porn. This isn't a thing just in the tickling biz; during my travels I've heard a lot of complaining from camgirls an' what-not about men who beg for free material and never even hint at compensation. They're frustrated by it to no end. In my own experience, all of the people who've raved about how great my previews were didn't actually buy the clips advertised (with one exception).

The second is that this community as a whole is impossible to please. Witness the endless threads in this forum about what people don't like about clips. Valid criticism or not, the bottom line is that people are gonna find something wrong with everything we publish and use that as an excuse not to buy (that, and the "I'm a poor college student, I can't afford it" line).

The "half" is that when people do buy, they only seem to buy from the two or three guys making a living from it... which is why they're making a living from it. Not to knock those guys; they should be commended for being able to deliver a quality product to a ridiculously demanding customer base consistently enough to turn a profit. But even they get accused of hiring fakers, or otherwise making bad clips. I know that when people bitch about clip quality, they ain't talking about me, 'cause they ain't bought anything of mine to be able to see it. So it begs the question of why they keep buying from the guys they are buying from if they hate it so much.

Anyway.

Honestly, how bad can the piracy be?

Pretty bad. Turtleboy posted a thread a while back about some clown who bought over $200 worth of clips with a stolen credit card and then slapped him with a chargeback, which meant he got a load of material for free... which he then posted to a bunch of torrent sites. Whenever producers try to talk about piracy hurting their business, they get told to fuck off because they're "already make enough money", or "it's your fault because you haven't figured out how to stop us from getting it for free". Darth Sidious (IIRC) was flamed to Hellenbach for taking legal action against folks pirating his material.

How does this affect you? Are they posting your clips for free somewhere and any profits fall off because of this?

Honestly, I'm not at liberty to say.

Why would people who want material cut their own throats this way?

Because people are spoiled and selfish and think we're all raking it in hand over fist and that they deserve our content. Plus, there'll always be some new producer coming in with a camcorder and a dream. The industry will never truly dry up, no matter how much turnover it experiences.

Why not encode with DRM and stop them from being able to upload or copy the clips?

DRM is fairly useless at actually stopping piracy. All it does is inconvenience honest, paying customers from getting what they paid for.

I don't fully understand all the workings of a clips store, so please forgive my questions, but I find this info really counter-intuitive.

And by the way, "GWC" is a perjorative term that is usually applied to a guy (with a camera) who pretends to be a photographer in order to have an excuse to get (naked) women to pose for him so that he may hit on them. When most models speak of GWCs, this is what they're referring to, not someone who doesn't operate out of a fully-stocked studio. Fetish models, especially, know the difference.

 

[porcelaindoll2]

Look people everyone has to start somewhere. Not everyone who wants to start off as a tickle producer starts off like Tickle Abuse right off the bat. Some need to build up to it. They need to build a fan base and get some earnings before they can hire what people would consider the big name fetish models. I see nothing wrong using women off of Craig's List or personal friends if they've been informed what takes place and are ready and willing. I have no problem working with new producers(I understand they normally pay less and of course we chat first).

Oh and I've shot with GWC's before. GWC's normally shoot for themselves and thus they have no sites. They aren't looking for a profit and just want to add more stuff to their personal collection. The problem is they are good GWC's and creeptastic ones, but it is like that with producers as well. Only difference is producers are shooting content for a profit. Which normally makes them care more about the quality and content matter. GWC's are normally shooting to have more stuff to wank too. I'll be dammed if they normally don't pay well though.

 

[derkitzelnkonig]

If thats the case then why do you see brand new studios that say they make few sales ranked right amongst the "top" producers on c4s top ranked studios list?

 

[Comfort Eagle]

Top total or top in their fetish?

 

[derkitzelnkonig]

In ticklng, thats whats being discussed.

 

[lk70]

Soles Mates- thanks so much for your response. I'm not even in the clips business and I feel frustrated by it. I have a group of friends who were talking about it but it doesn't sound like you can make decent money unless you can somehow do it full time and have a bank of lawyers to protect your stuff.

 

[SoleMates]

Well, obviously I'm not in the Top 50 so I can't answer that question. But I can say two things. One, I didn't make enough money last month to even meet the minimum payout threshold ($50), so I won't even see the money I've made until I do. Two, I don't totally trust C4S' ranking code. The entire site is kinda buggy, and my store's Five Top-Selling Clips widget seems to cycle through my titles at random. I say that because "Julie is Ticklish" has been my top-seller by a wide margin for months and sometimes it doesn't even show in the rankings.

So, my suspicion is that the store rankings don't use sales/profit to determine their numbers. Could be wrong, though.