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Why we're going to war - and why we should...

Strelnikov

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Found this on the net. Comments, anyone?

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The Pentagon's New Map
It Explains Why We're Going To War, And Why We'll Keep Going To War.
By Thomas P.M. Barnett, U.S. Naval War College
Esquire: March 1, 2003 Issue

Since the end of the cold war, the United States has been trying to come up with an operating theory of the world—and a military strategy to accompany it. Now there’s a leading contender. It involves identifying the problem parts of the world and aggressively shrinking them. Since September 11, 2001, the author, a professor of warfare analysis, has been advising the Office of the Secretary of Defense and giving this briefing continually at the Pentagon and in the intelligence community. Now he gives it to you.

Let me tell you why military engagement with Saddam Hussein’s regime in Baghdad is not only necessary and inevitable, but good.

When the United States finally goes to war again in the Persian Gulf, it will not constitute a settling of old scores, or just an enforced disarmament of illegal weapons, or a distraction in the war on terror. Our next war in the Gulf will mark a historical tipping point—the moment when Washington takes real ownership of strategic security in the age of globalization.

That is why the public debate about this war has been so important: It forces Americans to come to terms with I believe is the new security paradigm that shapes this age, namely, Disconnectedness defines danger. Saddam Hussein’s outlaw regime is dangerously disconnected from the globalizing world, from its rule sets, its norms, and all the ties that bind countries together in mutually assured dependence.

The problem with most discussion of globalization is that too many experts treat it as a binary outcome: Either it is great and sweeping the planet, or it is horrid and failing humanity everywhere. Neither view really works, because globalization as a historical process is simply too big and too complex for such summary judgments. Instead, this new world must be defined by where globalization has truly taken root and where it has not.

Show me where globalization is thick with network connectivity, financial transactions, liberal media flows, and collective security, and I will show you regions featuring stable governments, rising standards of living, and more deaths by suicide than murder. These parts of the world I call the Functioning Core, or Core. But show me where globalization is thinning or just plain absent, and I will show you regions plagued by politically repressive regimes, widespread poverty and disease, routine mass murder, and—most important—the chronic conflicts that incubate the next generation of global terrorists. These parts of the world I call the Non-Integrating Gap, or Gap.

Globalization’s “ozone hole” may have been out of sight and out of mind prior to September 11, 2001, but it has been hard to miss ever since. And measuring the reach of globalization is not an academic exercise to an eighteen-year-old marine sinking tent poles on its far side. So where do we schedule the U.S. military’s next round of away games? The pattern that has emerged since the end of the cold war suggests a simple answer: in the Gap.

The reason I support going to war in Iraq is not simply that Saddam is a cutthroat Stalinist willing to kill anyone to stay in power, nor because that regime has clearly supported terrorist networks over the years. The real reason I support a war like this is that the resulting long-term military commitment will finally force America to deal with the entire Gap as a strategic threat environment.

FOR MOST COUNTRIES, accommodating the emerging global rule set of democracy, transparency, and free trade is no mean feat, which is something most Americans find hard to understand. We tend to forget just how hard it has been to keep the United States together all these years, harmonizing our own, competing internal rule sets along the way—through a Civil War, a Great Depression, and the long struggles for racial and sexual equality that continue to this day. As far as most states are concerned, we are quite unrealistic in our expectation that they should adapt themselves quickly to globalization’s very American-looking rule set.

But you have to be careful with that Darwinian pessimism, because it is a short jump from apologizing for globalization-as-forced-Americanization to insinuating—along racial or civilization lines—that “those people will simply never be like us.” Just ten years ago, most experts were willing to write off poor Russia, declaring Slavs, in effect, genetically unfit for democracy and capitalism. Similar arguments resonated in most China-bashing during the 1990’s, and you hear them today in the debates about the feasibility of imposing democracy on a post-Saddam Iraq—a sort of Muslims-are-from-Mars argument.

So how do we distinguish between who is really making it in globalization’s Core and who remains trapped in the Gap? And how permanent is this dividing line?

Understanding that the line between the Core and Gap is constantly shifting, let me suggest that the direction of change is more critical than the degree. So, yes, Beijing is still ruled by a “Communist party” whose ideological formula is 30 percent Marxist-Leninist and 70 percent Sopranos, but China just signed on to the World Trade Organization, and over the long run, that is far more important in securing the country’s permanent Core status. Why? Because it forces China to harmonize its internal rule set with that of globalization—banking, tariffs, copyright protection, environmental standards. Of course, working to adjust your internal rule sets to globalization’s evolving rule set offers no guarantee of success. As Argentina and Brazil have recently found out, following the rules (in Argentina’s case, sort of following) does not mean you are panicproof, or bubbleproof, or even recessionproof. Trying to adapt to globalization does not mean bad things will never happen to you. Nor does it mean all your poor will immediately morph into stable middle class. It just means your standard of living gets better over time.

In sum, it is always possible to fall off this bandwagon called globalization. And when you do, bloodshed will follow. If you are lucky, so will American troops.

SO WHAT PARTS OF THE WORLD can be considered functioning right now? North America, much of South America, the European Union, Putin’s Russia, Japan and Asia’s emerging economies (most notably China and India), Australia and New Zealand, and South Africa, which accounts for roughly four billion out of a global population of six billion.

Whom does that leave in the Gap? It would be easy to say “everyone else,” but I want to offer you more proof than that and, by doing so, argue why I think the Gap is a long-term threat to more than just your pocketbook or conscience.

If we map out U.S. military responses since the end of the cold war, (see below), we find an overwhelming concentration of activity in the regions of the world that are excluded from globalization’s growing Core—namely the Caribbean Rim, virtually all of Africa, the Balkans, the Caucasus, Central Asia, the Middle East and Southwest Asia, and much of Southeast Asia. That is roughly the remaining two billion of the world’s population. Most have demographics skewed very young, and most are labeled, “low income” or “low middle income” by the World Bank (i.e., less than $3,000 annual per capita).

If we draw a line around the majority of those military interventions, we have basically mapped the Non-Integrating Gap. Obviously, there are outliers excluded geographically by this simple approach, such as an Israel isolated in the Gap, a North Korea adrift within the Core, or a Philippines straddling the line. But looking at the data, it is hard to deny the essential logic of the picture: If a country is either losing out to globalization or rejecting much of the content flows associated with its advance, there is a far greater chance that the U.S. will end up sending forces at some point. Conversely, if a country is largely functioning within globalization, we tend not to have to send our forces there to restore order to eradicate threats.

Now, that may seem like a tautology—in effect defining any place that has not attracted U.S. military intervention in the last decade or so as “functioning within globalization” (and vice versa). But think about this larger point: Ever since the end of World War II, this country has assumed that the real threats to its security resided in countries of roughly similar size, development, and wealth—in other words, other great powers like ourselves. During the cold war, that other great power was the Soviet Union. When the big Red machine evaporated in the early 1990’s, we flirted with concerns about a united Europe, a powerhouse Japan, and—most recently—a rising China.

What was interesting about all those scenarios is the assumption that only an advanced state can truly threaten us. The rest of the world? Those less-developed parts of the world have long been referred to in military plans as the “Lesser Includeds,” meaning that if we built a military capable of handling a great power’s military threat, it would always be sufficient for any minor scenarios we might have to engage in the less advanced world.

That assumption was shattered by September 11. After all, we were not attacked by a nation or even an army but by a group of—in Thomas Friedman’s vernacular—Super Empowered Individuals willing to die for their cause. September 11 triggered a system perturbation that continues to reshape our government (the new Department of Homeland Security), our economy (the de facto security tax we all pay), and even our society (Wave to the camera!). Moreover, it launched the global war on terrorism, the prism through which our government now views every bilateral security relationship we have across the world.

In many ways, the September 11 attacks did the U.S. national-security establishment a huge favor by pulling us back from the abstract planning of future high-tech wars against “near peers” into the here-and-now threats to global order. By doing so, the dividing lines between Core and Gap were highlighted, and more important, the nature of the threat environment was thrown into stark relief.

Think about it: Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are pure products of the Gap—in effect, its most violent feedback to the Core. They tell us how we are doing in exporting security to these lawless areas (not very well) and which states they would like to take “off line” from globalization and return to some seventh-century definition of the good life (any Gap state with a sizable Muslim population, especially Saudi Arabia).

If you take this message from Osama and combine it with our military-intervention record of the last decade, a simple security rule set emerges: A country’s potential to warrant a U.S. military response is inversely related to its globalization connectivity. There is a good reason why Al Qaeda was based first in Sudan and then later in Afghanistan: These are two of the most disconnected countries in the world. Look at the other places U.S. Special Operations Forces have recently zeroed in on: northwestern Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen. We are talking about the ends of the earth as far as globalization is concerned.

But just as important as “getting them where they live” is stopping the ability of these terrorist networks to access the Core via the “seam states” that lie along the Gap’s bloody boundaries. It is along this seam that the Core will seek to suppress bad things coming out of the Gap. Which are some of these classic seam states? Mexico, Brazil, South Africa, Morocco, Algeria, Greece, Turkey, Pakistan, Thailand, Malaysia, the Philippines, and Indonesia come readily to mind. But the U.S. will not be the only Core state working this issue. For example, Russia has its own war on terrorism in the Caucasus, China is working its western border with more vigor, and Australia was recently energized (or was it cowed?) by the Bali bombing.

IF WE STEP BACK for a minute and consider the broader implications of this new global map, then U.S. national-security strategy would seem to be: 1) Increase the Core’s immune system capabilities for responding to September 11-like system perturbations; 2) Work the seam states to firewall the Core from the Gap’s worst exports, such as terror, drugs, and pandemics; and, most important, 3) Shrink the Gap. Notice I did not just say Mind the Gap. The knee-jerk reaction of many Americans to September 11 is to say, “Let’s get off our dependency on foreign oil, and then we won’t have to deal with those people.” The most naïve assumption underlying that dream is that reducing what little connectivity the Gap has with the Core will render it less dangerous to us over the long haul. Turning the Middle East into Central Africa will not build a better world for my kids. We cannot simply will those people away.

The Middle East is the perfect place to start. Diplomacy cannot work in a region where the biggest sources of insecurity lie not between states but within them. What is most wrong about the Middle East is the lack of personal freedom and how that translates into dead-end lives for most of the population—especially for the young. Some states like Qatar and Jordan are ripe for perestroika-like leaps into better political futures, thanks to younger leaders who see the inevitability of such change. Iran is likewise waiting for the right Gorbachev to come along—if he has not already.

What stands in the path of this change? Fear. Fear of tradition unraveling. Fear of the mullah’s disapproval. Fear of being labeled a “bad” or “traitorous” Muslim state. Fear of becoming a target of radical groups and terrorist networks. But most of all, fear of being attacked from all sides for being different—the fear of becoming Israel.

The Middle East has long been a neighborhood of bullies eager to pick on the weak. Israel is still around because it has become—sadly—one of the toughest bullies on the block. The only thing that will change that nasty environment and open the floodgates for change is if some external power steps in and plays Leviathan full-time. Taking down Saddam, the region’s bully-in-chief, will force the U.S. into playing that role far more fully than it has over the past several decades, primarily because Iraq is the Yugoslavia of the Middle East—a crossroads of civilizations that has historically required a dictatorship to keep the peace. As baby-sitting jobs go, this one will be a doozy, making our lengthy efforts in postwar Germany and Japan look simple in retrospect.

But it is the right thing to do, and now is the right time to do it, and we are the only country that can. Freedom cannot blossom in the Middle East without security, and security is this country’s most influential public-sector export. By that I do not mean arms exports, but basically the attention paid by our military forces to any region’s potential for mass violence. We are the only nation on earth capable of exporting security in a sustained fashion, and we have a very good track record of doing it.

Show me a part of the world that is secure in its peace and I will show you a strong or growing ties between local militaries and the U.S. military. Show me regions where major war is inconceivable and I will show you permanent U.S. military bases and long-term security alliances. Show me the strongest investment relationships in the global economy and I will show you two postwar military occupations that remade Europe and Japan following World War II.

This country has successfully exported security to globalization’s Old Core (Western Europe, Northeast Asia) for half a century and to its emerging New Core (Developing Asia) for a solid quarter century following our mishandling of Vietnam. But our efforts in the Middle Ease have been inconsistent—in Africa, almost nonexistent. Until we begin the systematic, long-term export of security to the Gap, it will increasingly export its pain to the Core in the form of terrorism and other instabilities.

Naturally, it will take a whole lot more than the U.S. exporting security to shrink the Gap. Africa, for example, will need far more aid than the Core has offered in the past, and the integration of the Gap will ultimately depend more on private investment than anything the Core’s public sector can offer. But it all has to begin with security, because free markets and democracy cannot flourish amid chronic conflict.

Making this effort means reshaping our military establishment to mirror-image the challenge that we face. Think about it. Global war is not in the offing, primarily because our huge nuclear stockpile renders such war unthinkable—for anyone. Meanwhile, classic state-on-state wars are becoming fairly rare. So if the United States is in the process of “transforming” its military to meet the threats of tomorrow, what should it end up looking like? In my mind, we fight fire with fire. If we live in a world increasingly populated by Super-Empowered Individuals, we field a military of Super-Empowered-Individuals.

This may sound like additional responsibility for an already overburdened military, but that is the wrong way of looking at it, for what we are dealing with here are problems of success—not failure. It is America’s continued success in deterring global war and obsolescing state-on-state war that allows us to stick our noses into the far more difficult subnational conflicts and the dangerous transnational actors they spawn. I know most Americans do not want to hear this, but the real battlegrounds in the global war on terrorism are still over there. If gated communities and rent-a-cops were enough, September 11 never would have happened.

History is full of turning points like that terrible day, but no turning-back-points. We ignore the Gap’s existence at our own peril, because it will not go away until we as a nation respond to the challenge of making globalization truly global.


Handicapping the Gap

My list of real trouble for the world in the 1990s, today, and tomorrow, starting in our own backyard:

1) HAITI-- Efforts to build a nation in 1990s were disappointing • We have been going into Haiti for about a century, and we will go back when boat people start flowing in during the next crisis—without fail.

2) COLOMBIA -- Country is broken into several lawless chunks, with private armies, rebels, narcos, and legit government all working the place over. • Drugs still flow. • Ties between drug cartels and rebels grew over decade, and now we know of links to international terror, too. • We get involved, keep promising more, and keep getting nowhere. Piecemeal, incremental approach is clearly not working.

3) BRAZIL AND ARGENTINA -- Both on the bubble between the Gap and the Functioning Core. Both played the globalization game to hilt in nineties and both feel abused now. The danger of falling off the wagon and going self-destructively leftist or rightist is very real. • No military threats to speak of, except against their own democracies (the return of the generals). • South American alliance MERCOSUR tries to carve out its own reality while Washington pushes Free Trade of Americas, but we may have to settle for agreements with Chile or for pulling only Chile into bigger NAFTA. Will Brazil and Argentina force themselves to be left out and then resent it? • Amazon a large ungovernable area for Brazil, plus all that environmental damage continues to pile up. Will the world eventually care enough to step in?

4) FORMER YUGOSLAVIA-- For most of the past decade, served as shorthand for Europe's inability to get its act together even in its own backyard. • Will be long-term baby-sitting job for the West.

5) CONGO AND RWANDA/BURUNDI-- Two to three million dead in central Africa from all the fighting across the decade. How much worse can it get before we try to do something, anything? Three million more dead? • Congo is a carrion state—not quite dead or alive, and everyone is feeding off it. • And then there's AIDS.

6) ANGOLA-- Never really has solved its ongoing civil war (1.5 million dead in past quarter century). • Basically at conflict with self since mid-seventies, when Portuguese "empire" fell. • Life expectancy right now is under forty!

7) SOUTH AFRICA-- The only functioning Core country in Africa, but it's on the bubble. Lots of concerns that South Africa is a gateway country for terror networks trying to access Core through back door. • Endemic crime is biggest security threat. • And then there's AIDS.

8) ISRAEL-PALESTINE-- Terror will not abate—there is no next generation in the West Bank that wants anything but more violence. • Wall going up right now will be the Berlin Wall of twenty-first century. Eventually, outside powers will end up providing security to keep the two sides apart (this divorce is going to be very painful). • There is always the chance of somebody (Saddam in desperation?) trying to light up Israel with weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and triggering the counterpunch we all fear Israel is capable of.

9) SAUDI ARABIA-- The let-them-eat-cake mentality of royal mafia will eventually trigger violent instability from within. • Paying terrorists protection money to stay away will likewise eventually fail, so danger will come from outside, too. • Huge young population with little prospects for future, and a ruling elite whose main source of income is a declining long-term asset. And yet the oil will matter to enough of the world far enough into the future that the United States will never let this place really tank, no matter what it takes.

10) IRAQ-- Question of when and how, not if. • Then there's the huge rehab job. We will have to build a security regime for the whole region.

11) SOMALIA-- Chronic lack of governance. • Chronic food problems. • Chronic problem of terrorist-network infiltration. • We went in with Marines and Special Forces and left disillusioned—a poor man's Vietnam for the 1990s. Will be hard-pressed not to return.

12) IRAN-- Counterrevolution has already begun: This time the students want to throw the mullahs out. • Iran wants to be friends with U.S., but resurgence of fundamentalists may be the price we pay to invade Iraq. • The mullahs support terror, and their push for WMD is real: Does this make them inevitable target once Iraq and North Korea are settled?

13) AFGHANISTAN-- Lawless, violent place even before the Taliban stepped onstage and started pulling it back toward seventh century (short trip) • Government sold to Al Qaeda for pennies on the dollar. • Big source of narcotics (heroin). • Now U.S. stuck there for long haul, rooting out hardcore terrorists/rebels who've chosen to stay.

14) PAKISTAN-- There is always the real danger of their having the bomb and using it out of weakness in conflict with India (very close call with December 13, 2001, New Delhi bombing). • Out of fear that Pakistan may fall to radical Muslims, we end up backing hard-line military types we don't really trust. • Clearly infested with Al Qaeda. • Was on its way to being declared a rogue state by U.S. until September 11 forced us to cooperate again. Simply put, Pakistan doesn't seem to control much of its own territory.

15) NORTH KOREA-- Marching toward WMD. • Bizarre recent behavior of Pyongyang (admitting kidnappings, breaking promises on nukes, shipping weapons to places we disapprove of and getting caught, signing agreements with Japan that seem to signal new era, talking up new economic zone next to China) suggests it is intent (like some mental patient) on provoking crises. • We live in fear of Kim's Götterdämmerung scenario (he is nuts). • Population deteriorating—how much more can they stand? • After Iraq, may be next.

16) INDONESIA-- Usual fears about breakup and "world's largest Muslim population." • Casualty of Asian economic crisis (really got wiped out). • Hot spot for terror networks, as we have discovered.

New/integrating members of Core I worry may be lost in coming year:
17) CHINA-- Running lots of races against itself in terms of reducing the unprofitable state-run enterprises while not triggering too much unemployment, plus dealing with all that growth in energy demand and accompanying pollution, plus coming pension crisis as population ages. • New generation of leaders looks suspiciously like unimaginative technocrats—big question if they are up to task. • If none of those macro pressures trigger internal instability, there is always the fear that the Communist party won't go quietly into the night in terms of allowing more political freedoms and that at some point, economic freedom won't be enough for the masses. Right now the CCP is very corrupt and mostly a parasite on the country, but it still calls the big shots in Beijing. • Army seems to be getting more disassociated from society and reality, focusing ever more myopically on countering U.S. threat to their ability to threaten Taiwan, which remains the one flash point that could matter. • And then there's AIDS.

18) RUSSIA-- Putin has long way to go in his dictatorship of the law; the mafia and robber barons still have too much power. • Chechnya and the near-abroad in general will drag Moscow into violence, but it will be kept within the federation by and large. • U.S. moving into Central Asia is a testy thing—a relationship that can sour if not handled just right. • Russia has so many internal problems (financial weakness, environmental damage, et cetera) and depends too much on energy exports to feel safe (does bringing Iraq back online after invasion kill their golden goose?). • And then there's AIDS.

19) INDIA-- First, there's always the danger of nuking it out with Pakistan. • Short of that, Kashmir pulls them into conflict with Pak, and that involves U.S. now in way it never did before due to war on terror. • India is microcosm of globalization: the high tech, the massive poverty, the islands of development, the tensions between cultures/civilizations/religions/et cetera. It is too big to succeed, and too big to let fail. • Wants to be big responsible military player in region, wants to be strong friend of U.S., and also wants desperately to catch up with China in development (the self-imposed pressure to succeed is enormous). • And then there's AIDS.
 
OK, given my base lack of specific knowledge, I can't exactly comment on a lot of this. I can say that if accepting statements made as true, it's an interesting theory. Seems accurate at 1 am. ;)

I'm not sure I would go so far as to say that even the compelling nature of it, that it somehow creates a "good" cause for war. I cannot personally say that I ever think war is a good idea. I can appreciate the sentiment that a unified world with a naturally occurring framework is a good idea. (What I gather would be the outcome of shrinking the Gap.)

It's a larger scale on what Tony Blair was saying over and over again to emphasize the need for a united world. The resolution put forth to Iraq by the United Nations is one in which Saddam is seeing his last chance to comply with the elimination of WMD. It's not a matter of time. It's a matter of choice. He has made up his mind that he is not going to willfully cooperate with the UN inspectors, and therefore no number of extra months will change what they find. (Referencing the weapons systems that was denied then admitted to after a special someone's defection and finger pointing. The UN had reasons for insisting that Iraq comply in a swift manner. They know what lurks there to a point and still Saddam sees a WORLD DIVIDED. He's the child who creates strife in the house and watches his parents fight it out whilst he carries on playing with matches in his closet. America can be mom. Germany, France and their pals can play Dad here. *sigh* What happens? The house burns down and everyone gets hurt.

Certainly there is a desire to shrink the areas where the citizens are the most harmed. I'd be willing to bet that the Core nations find a much nicer Sunday afternoon week after week than those that we think of being Gap nations. That's the sustaining point, no? The people in the nations that find it's easier to live in prosperity? Or perhaps simply in less that destitute conditions.

I think there is something interesting happening in the writing. There is a base theme that those who are "Core" nations step into fringe areas in efforts to make things BETTER for everyone. I doubt any major country, especially those who agree that Saddam is not fully complying with the UN's request, would see any country's intervention that accompanies aid as something that is a generally destructive for the native peoples. (BTW, is there anyone in the EU that thinks Saddam is complying with UN resolutions? I believe I heard said that not a single rep thought he was.) Right now, as we live the moment, that assumed desire to help is displaced with one that says military action is hate and irresponsibility in action. We're "terrorizing" and imposing the will of the strong on the will of the weak. What about the weak who can't displace regimes that hold them down? *For example, see: Iraq*

General rambling....no real point. Just a whole lotta thoughts that wanted outta my head.

Sorry ‘bout the typing and the disconnection of thought, it’s late and I’m tired. Thanks for the article Strel. What ’s your personal commentary?

Joby
 
Strelnikov's big omission

Well, I used to be opposed to war with Iraq. Today, however, at the supermarket checkout line, I saw something that changed my mind. The Weekly World News had as its lead story something to the effect that Sadaam Hussein feeds Christians to the lions. How dreadful! This man must be stopped. If an unimpeachable source like the Weekly World News says its true, then it must be. I guess we'll have to break our pattern of never attacking a country unless we're attacked first, as this is just too much for any right-thinking American to tolerate.
 
I think the article misses the point

The question isn't who is in globalization's core and in the "gap"? It's what will make the US more secure or less secure. If "containment plus" has a comparative advantage over overt military intervention in Iraq, then by all means, let's keep the hell out. Our own economy is floundering right now. State governments are suffering budget short falls. The federal government is deficeit spending due Bushes fiscally irresponsible tax break for the rich. No clear evidence Iraq is a threat or that Al Queda needs them to lauch another attack. Are we more secure attacking Iraq? Or will it simply create support for Bin Laden's pathetic accusation that the US is attacking the Muslim world. Restraint is called for. The inspections are working in spite of what you may hear otherwise. Let's give them a chance.

Rook.
 
I did not back any use of force in Iraq initially. The UN resolution is my turning point in thought. When the United Nations insisted that Saddam disarm immediately, I think we can all see that there had to have been enough evidence to indicate he was a threat. It's not only America. Granted, we are pushing the HARDEST for forced compliance, since 9/11 opened our collective eyes to the reality of terroism and those linked to its path, but we are by no means the only country that insists that disramament of WMD needs to happen.

As far as the viability of the inspections...

They were supposed to happen with active and unyielding support by the so-called leadership of Iraq. Blix himself has said that Iraq has failed in that aspect. I've yet to hear one single country say that they feel Saddam has done what was expected of him.

It's a country the size of Spain. You can lose you own car in a parking lot, folks...so, what makes you think Saddam isn't QUITE able to keep his weapons EASILY hidden as long as he chooses. This is not about inspections. This is not about time. This is not about American/EU/UK politics. This is about Saddam not doing what the UNITED NATIONS put forth that he do. The inspectors can look for years and never find what is HIDDEN. They are there to inspect sites and document the detruction of weapons. They are NOT there on a scavenger hunt to prove weapons exist. Sadly though, that's exactly what Saddam is making them do. He's set up an elaborate game of hide and go seek and the UN Inspection team is "it."

By pushing "use of force" via a united world community, Saddam will see he needs to comply. *Threaten war to avoid war as I heard it said.* Until then, the UN, and thus the world is simply at his whim to do as he pleases.

My question is HOW LONG should he have? He's had 12 years to meet the UN standards and has failed repeatedly. *shrug* Anyone? Other than TIME, what can be offered to resolve this aside from force? Any ideas?

In regard to this connecting ot the original topic, I think the Core countries have a responsibility to the residents of all countries to demand even those in the Gap to answer to the world (read as the UN). If our governments fail to follow through with resolutions deemed necessary, then the people hurt most are the residents of Core and Gap alike. The sad part is, the GAP nations will likely not recover where the Core probably will.

More ramblings,
Joby
 
the author seems to be pushing globalization and war, but doesnt realize all the failures of them. he talks about congo argentina etc.. but doesnt seem to make the connection
 
The basic idea of this article is excellent: reducing the size of the "gap" as a means of increasing global security. It would be nice to think that this is the primary motivation of our president to go to war, but a good part of me just doesn't buy it.

While globalization has done a great deal of good for many, others have obviously been left behind. These states remain stuck in the rut of violence and abject poverty, and insecurity reigns in the abscence of a strong socio-economic infrastructure. The committment to reduce the size of this gap, or the "periphery" as those pessimistic dependency theorists would refer to it, does not seem to be the primary motivation of the current administration. The hard truth is that in order for these "gap" states to develop the sound social, political, and economic infrastructures necessary to promote security, some sacrifice will be necessary from the "core," and not just militarily. Perhaps the "core" will have to stop making the development of the Third World as much of a business venture as it currently does. Many states cannot develop due the the oppressive burden of debt repayments that inhibit the development of any infrastructure. Also, massive humanitarian and reconstruction aid will become necessary to jump-start these economies. Are these steps we are willing to take? Will the current administration take this course of action in other areas besides Iraq? Perhaps the author of this article should be president...I'd like to see how his plan would unfold.
 
Hello Strelnikov ,
i just read this article and was thinking the typical american way of
Thinking in Black & White.There's much more to this topic.What about the Countries that would be connected to the globalization and have also the capability but where blocked by other Countries. I will give you an Example :Nigeria (N-E Africa).
Nigria has the largest population in whole Africa ,about 125 Million People, and as the ONLY Country in the World Daimonds and Oil and it had some good Presidents in the Past.You see a lot of potential.BUT!!! The USA has no interests in getting Nigeria stabelized."Why" will you ask, now the answer is very easy.
In that Moment Nigeria would be a stabelized Country and connected to the World Globalization,it has power.The Power to controll the Oil Prizes because of its reserves.That means the USA had to depend on an African Country about Low Oil Prizes.So the Intention is to let it unconnected to the World Globalization and unstable in that way it cannot develop and means no menace.
This is only one example.
A different Story is former Yoguslavia ,why..because of its and Europes History.The different People ,croatians,serbs or kosovo-albanians were linked to different European Monarchs in the past.F.E. The Germans and Croatians were always Partner,while germans and serbs were enemies .The Opposite is France who was always linked to serbs.That means the different people fought always against each other and it created hate and violance between them.After the second World War the Communism covered this "Fight" till it vanished.But after People were "free" from Commun. they started their fights again ,like they did before. In that case it is a fault caused by other countries history.
When we talk about capitalsimn we want to archieve such goals like to be a Home-Owner,have enough money for wife or husband and the kids to go University and the retirement. Well that's OK ,but we must accept that different People has different believes and goals to archieve.
The Arabic one ,for him is the highest Treasure in Life is Honor and Pride. I don't talk about fundamentalists like Osama Bin laden and his El kaida or the Massmurderer in Algier who kill women and kids ,by cutt of their throat, in villages. The average arabic people have different views about life,different ways of thinking and a different culture. You cannot come ,according to your Post , to them to connect them because the west-world thinks everyone needs to be connected to the world globalization ,in order to become a wealthy and stabled Country. In that Moment you try to do this ,you force them to live your way of living and to think like you think.This will cause a lot of trouble because one culture tries to overthrow another Culture.So not everyone wants to connect to the World Globalization and you have to respect this.
This is my Point of view.
 
Noob, yours is the thinking that is 'typical.'

Nigeria is not stable because it has been run by corrupt regimes, and, more importantly, there is a bloody civil war raging between the Muslim north and Christian and Animist south. But you seem to know nothing about that. In your mind, it's all because America wants to prevent an African country from making money from oil. Which of course is totally ridiculous, since American oil companies are heavily vested in Nigeria, and would like nothing more than a stable place to do business.

But more amusing is your assertion that the Islamic world is a peaceful one. Please tell me, why is it that the Islamic world does not share a single peaceful boarder? Explain how they are at war with virtually every single neighbor they have: in the Philippines, there is a bloody war raging between the radical Islamists, and the Christian north. In Indonesia, there is violence being perpetrated by the radical Islamists and the non-Muslims of that country. We all know about the war between Islam and the Hindus of India. You probably don't know much about the fighting in west China between Muslims and the Chinese, but I'm sure you've heard about the war between the Russians and the Muslims in Chechnya. How about the massive series of wars in Africa between the Muslims in Sudan, and, oh yes, Nigeria, fighting with the Christians and Animists in their effort to impose Sharia (and slavery - in the Sudan, hundreds of thousands of non-Muslims have been taken as slaves, not to mention the estimated 1 million killed). Do I even need to mention the conflict between radical Islam and America? Or Israel?

Of course, in your mind, it's everyone else's fault.

Have you even ever stopped to think about the possibility that the Muslim world is currently infected with a strain of violence and aggression that make it impossible for them to live peaceable, side by side, with virtually ANYONE? Has this thought ever ran through your head, if you don't mind my asking?
 
Hello Mike ,
you're wrong about Nigeria ,it is very known that the CIA paid for the Civil War.Yes ,even if you don't believe it.The Cia always strenghten different Groups in Nigeria. A friend of mine (An AMERICAN!!! from Alabama )works in adminstration in Nigeria and he saw this before.
If you look at the Islamic world ,why was the islamic world not so violent during the middle-ages like it is now,except for a couple of years. You gave the example of India ,well that's OK ,but then look at their history .It was first the Hindus who didn't tolerate ,killed and harrasment the Islamists during the last centuries.That was the Reason why Pakstistan was founded, a place for islamists to stay.Later it changed of course,because the hate about what happened to them was in their(pakistanis) mind.You put every islamic people in one pot,thats not OK.And Pakistan is a Part of former India
I admitt that i don't like fundamentalists too and the way they are fighting and argueing, i gave the example of the Algier Fundamentalists.But what you see today with Islamic fundamentalismn ,it it the same that the katholic church did over centuries ,killing thousands of people ,try to getting the absolute Power and telling everyone how he or she has to live is God's Will ,in that case Allahs will. I consider Religion as a very big Problem for Human-kind and these are very good examples.
There are places today where i don't know what to think when i see the islamic propaganda and their actions which results from their propaganda.And of course I'm not going to defend them.But if you give examples like you did ,then PLEASE better look at coutries history ,because somtimes problems are caused in the past from outside.
 
Noob, before I respond, if you don't mind my asking, are you a Muslim? I'm just curious.'Saibot' sounds Arabic.
 
Hi Mike ,
since we start to have a discusion,i will introduce myself.
NoobSaibot is a Character from a game called "Mortal Kombat " and its backward spelled the Name of the Producer of the game Ed Boon (Noob) and John Tobias (Saibot).Noob is also an old frech and Irish male Name whos origin is in the Greek Philosphie and means Eternity or the Eternal One as you like.
I'm a half German (75 %) and Italian (25 % My fathers Ancients were Italians ). That means I'm Roman-Katholic but have my problems with Religion in a general.My Name is Chris.
It is nice to meet you may we can talk in a chat someday.
 
what about you

Mike Edward, are you by chance a Christian? Just wondering, because Michael and Edward are saints in the Christian church.
 
No - I'm an athiest, actually.

In terms of ethnicity, I'm 1/2 German, 1/2 Russian.

As I mentioned above, Edward wasn't my orignal family name. It got scrambled up when my forefathers came through Ellis Island.
 
so every time you loose a debate ***Golden Rule Violation, Post edited by Marauder***, you ask people what their name means?
 
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so every time you loose a debate ***Golden Rule Violation, Post edited by Marauder***, you ask people what their name means?

"Loose"? Was something not tightened? Hee hee...
 
Gentlemen, the discussion isn't ethnicity of the posters, it's the article posted by Strelnikov.

Further, there are mulsims in the US military. Some of 'em served the LAST mission on Iraq's soil, helpin' hundreds of Americans deal wit' chemical threats there. This includes a personal friend of mine.

The Islamic faith doesn't inspire warlike behavior in everyone. Christianity had the crusades, a war against other faiths. Neither "side" there is within sin. Neither should be casting stones. Why do so here, especially when doing so without logic and proofs leads to insults, which CAN get you banned from the Forum.

There are ways a body can contest an opinion. There will ALWAYS be someone to disagree. America GUARANTEES that, 'cause the US allows for free speech, and thus free opinions.

Here, though, it's a private forum. There's rules to playin' here. Do follow them. Read 'em again, if you've forgotten 'em.

Strel and I have argued much before. Heck, we enjoyed such. We don't agree on everything. We're also friends FROM such arguments. I know the man enough to respect him, DESPITE our disagreements. Don't mean I can't argue. Just means I remember t'be civil, and follow what's required here.

It's why I can still post here. If I get outta bounds, the other mods can bounce me. I wouldn't be the first gone that way. It can happen to ANYONE.

Noob, the CIA conspiracy theory is not provable without contestation. You must know this. Remember it when using that argument. It requires FAITH in the reports.

Mike, are you certain there are no peaceful borders for ALL Islamic nations? A quick peek at a map shows that Turkey ain't at war at present, and has a strong Islamic contingency. Christian countries have war. "Godless" countries have war. War requires no faith. When you can argue the Crusades, I await the thread with great eagerness. It should be humorous, 'cause they were fairly well documented.

Nazi Germany was Christian, btw. Choice of faith doesn't assure a good person is present therein. Bad people in a place doesn't make the WHOLE place bad.

I dig a good argument. A good, well thought, provable, logical argument. If I wanna hear the kind of argument shown here, I can hit lunchtime at my kid's school. Sadly, one of them lads has better skills than those shown here. He's a wicked sharp kid. We should be able to equal that kid. We're all adults here.

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