Sensual Tickling with Tommy & Ariel!

[TickleHaven]

Here's the first of two clips featuring Ariel. She is interviewed by Tommy for the first half of the clip, she is really shy and very ticklish (and also aroused by Tommy's tickling). He then locks her in the stocks with her arms overhead, and tortures her perfect soles. This clip shows the sensual, erotic side of tickling. See the whole thing right here! www.ticklehaven.com

 

[Fetter]

Listen friend, I will not contest that this is a good tickling clip. The girl is very attractive and seems genuinely ticklish, all good qualities. What it is not, however, is sensually erotic. Scratching your nails vigorously up and down her foot or twisting your finger between her toes looks far more mechanic than erotic. The beginning of the clip has potential, but then you just go wild on her. Why? Sure it tickles her, but where is the build up; the suspense; the subtlety; lightly and slowly. Those are acts, in my opinion, which qualify sensuality.

Make a clip like that and I will certainly buy it. But not this one.

 

[mart]

I have to agree with Fetter's post. The way the tickler works in not geared to tickle the girl but to impress the viewer.
Look at the reactions of the women on Tickle Abuse, the tickler's own site, and it is all this kind of Attack/Scream fake stuff which where every touch evokes a more over-the-top reaction than the next.
It just makes for clips that cry out FAKE all over them.

 

[vsa7a]

Listen friend, I will not contest that this is a good tickling clip. The girl is very attractive and seems genuinely ticklish, all good qualities. What it is not, however, is sensually erotic. Scratching your nails vigorously up and down her foot or twisting your finger between her toes looks far more mechanic than erotic. The beginning of the clip has potential, but then you just go wild on her. Why? Sure it tickles her, but where is the build up; the suspense; the subtlety; lightly and slowly. Those are acts, in my opinion, which qualify sensuality.

Make a clip like that and I will certainly buy it. But not this one.

I have to agree with Fetter's post. The way the tickler works in not geared to tickle the girl but to impress the viewer.
Look at the reactions of the women on Tickle Abuse, the tickler's own site, and it is all this kind of Attack/Scream fake stuff which where every touch evokes a more over-the-top reaction than the next.
It just makes for clips that cry out FAKE all over them.

<B>CONCUR!</B>

 

[TickleHaven]

Listen friend, I will not contest that this is a good tickling clip. The girl is very attractive and seems genuinely ticklish, all good qualities. What it is not, however, is sensually erotic. Scratching your nails vigorously up and down her foot or twisting your finger between her toes looks far more mechanic than erotic. The beginning of the clip has potential, but then you just go wild on her. Why? Sure it tickles her, but where is the build up; the suspense; the subtlety; lightly and slowly. Those are acts, in my opinion, which qualify sensuality.

Make a clip like that and I will certainly buy it. But not this one.

To answer your questions: The beginning of this clip has potential, and it REALIZES this potential. The beginning is several minutes long, and it consists of exactly what you said: build up. Sensual conversation, tickling, teasing, and suspense. It's all here. The trick is, you have to actually see the clip (translation: open your wallet).

The previews I post are just that: previews. It is a 6 minute clip--do you want me to post a 6 minute preview? You say the beginning portion never realizes its potential. How do you know? You havent seen the whole clip! I think it realizes its potential very well. You just can't judge all this from a 30 second preview.

Do you want me to post a longer preview of the beginning portion? As for the other posters, Tommy and I send girls home with NO MONEY on a regular basis--that is, if they try faking their ticklishness. TickleAbuse 1 & 2 are 2 of the largest companies in the world, so you may think their girls are faking, but you are in the minority. The rest of the world doesn't think the girls are fakers.

 

[tcklft]

I also call fake on most of Tickle Abuse's stuff. Glad to know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

 

[TickleHaven]

Ok but then why are his stores always on the top 15 on clips4sale?

 

[Tickle Abuse]

I also call fake on most of Tickle Abuse's stuff. Glad to know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Ok, now that's out of line, I NEVER use models who aren't ticklish, why else would my stores do so well? I LOVE tickling and only want to contribute the best videos to the community. Obviously you have never purchased one of my videos nor are a member of my web site. I encourage and help when I can other store owners and web site owners, why? because I want to raise the bar and see the best possible content! It's silly for me to even entertain this nonsense, all you have to do is to ACUTUALLY see any of my videos to know that there is no faking. In this case, I tickled Ariel for ticklehaven.com, I would have stopped if the model was not ticklish or wasn't turned on by it. It seems that if a model gets into it, it is likely that the video will be bashed, not exactly sure why. My personal preference is tickling a girl who can't stand to be tickled, but isn't everyone's fantasy to tickle a girl who is VERY curious and ends up liking it? Hell, this is a different video, but I can't remember ever being more turned on!

 

[mart]

Ok, now that's out of line, I NEVER use models who aren't ticklish, why else would my stores do so well? I LOVE tickling and only want to contribute the best videos to the community. Obviously you have never purchased one of my videos nor are a member of my web site. I encourage and help when I can other store owners and web site owners, why? because I want to raise the bar and see the best possible content! It's silly for me to even entertain this nonsense, all you have to do is to ACUTUALLY see any of my videos to know that there is no faking. In this case, I tickled Ariel for ticklehaven.com, I would have stopped if the model was not ticklish or wasn't turned on by it. It seems that if a model gets into it, it is likely that the video will be bashed, not exactly sure why. My personal preference is tickling a girl who can't stand to be tickled, but isn't everyone's fantasy to tickle a girl who is VERY curious and ends up liking it? Hell, this is a different video, but I can't remember ever being more turned on!

You might note that no one has said that your girls are not ticklish.
There are a lot of ticklish women out there, so why not also tickling models.
The point is that it is still possible to create a totally fake video by briefing someone to scream no matter what, quite out of proportion to anything she may actually be experiencing - and that is the impression I have of your videos.

I have, in fact, bought several of your clips when you first started to produce and a couple since, and I stopped buying when I noticed that every one of the ticklees seemed to have the same crazy reactions, unrelated to what you were actually doing.

I noticed the store was doing well, which means you are obviously filling a gap in the market.

 

[tcklft]

Ok, now that's out of line, I NEVER use models who aren't ticklish, why else would my stores do so well?

Because you produce a lot of clips and market them aggressively.

I LOVE tickling and only want to contribute the best videos to the community.

You're also trying to make a buck, which is fine. If you can make a living doing what you enjoy, more props to you.

Obviously you have never purchased one of my videos nor are a member of my web site.

Wrong. I have purchased your Nady clips. Remember, I didn't say all your stuff looked fake, just a lot of it. Nice try, though!

I encourage and help when I can other store owners and web site owners, why? because I want to raise the bar and see the best possible content!

I'm glad to hear it.

It's silly for me to even entertain this nonsense,

Then why are you?

all you have to do is to ACUTUALLY see any of my videos to know that there is no faking.

Well, in the opinion of myself and others, there is. I'm sure you have plenty of fans, so why worry about what the rest of us think?

In this case, I tickled Ariel for ticklehaven.com, I would have stopped if the model was not ticklish or wasn't turned on by it. It seems that if a model gets into it, it is likely that the video will be bashed, not exactly sure why. My personal preference is tickling a girl who can't stand to be tickled, but isn't everyone's fantasy to tickle a girl who is VERY curious and ends up liking it? Hell, this is a different video, but I can't remember ever being more turned on!

Well, I'm glad you enjoyed your time with Ariel.

 

[Tickle Abuse]

Of course the newer videos are much better, I never allow anything other than the best ticklish models, and as I matured as a producer so did my content. But sometimes when a video is made that is erotic in nature, when two people are mutally getting turned on, it doesn't always appeal to a lot of people's taste. That is understandable. Honestly it doesn't always appeal to me. But to say that this is a bad video, or to say that any of my videos are fake is bullshit, you know it and everyone else knows it! So of course, put constructive criticism, I love that and have taken every intelligent criticism to heart. I truly respect comments that are well-thought out even if they are negative, that's what makes me and other producers better. That is the point, to share content, to be subject to opinion, and to strive to make better content. But no matter what I or another producer may put out there, it will never appeal to everyone, but that's ok. Some people should just keep the outrageously negative comments to themselves when they say something as broad sweeping as a producer makes "fake videos." I should know better and not even respond to this BS, but ticklehaven.com is a good friend, has a genuine love of tickling, and we both know what a hot video is. If it's not to your taste, that's cool. There are plenty of samples on here that don't appeal to me, but I think it's best to refrain from the blatantly negative unless you have something encouraging to say at the same time.

 

[Fetter]

This thread has varied wildly from my original point, which was a claim towards its overall banality. The title of the post drew me in, but all I found here was something identical to what every other producer is doing right now. The fact that you think I should, as you put it, "open my wallet" to find out how much better your clip is, is insulting. And really bad marketing.

Now if the video goes on to realise its potential, as you say, I find it odd that the clip doesn't in any way reflect that. Obviously you can't give away a six minute clip, that is ridiculous. But maybe you should look into cutting your samples so that potential customers know what they're getting into.

I will also say that I have purchased your clips before, a few of them. But they are not among my favourites. I am not saying, like some of the others, that you produce bad videos, or fake videos, just boring ones. And why spend your time telling everyone here they're wrong when you could just go and make better videos?

By the way: "TickleAbuse 1 & 2 are 2 of the largest companies in the world" ...Freudian slip?

 

[tcklft]

Of course the newer videos are much better, I never allow anything other than the best ticklish models, and as I matured as a producer so did my content. But sometimes when a video is made that is erotic in nature, when two people are mutally getting turned on, it doesn't always appeal to a lot of people's taste. That is understandable. Honestly it doesn't always appeal to me. But to say that this is a bad video, or to say that any of my videos are fake is bullshit, you know it and everyone else knows it! So of course, put constructive criticism, I love that and have taken every intelligent criticism to heart. I truly respect comments that are well-thought out even if they are negative, that's what makes me and other producers better. That is the point, to share content, to be subject to opinion, and to strive to make better content. But no matter what I or another producer may put out there, it will never appeal to everyone, but that's ok. Some people should just keep the outrageously negative comments to themselves when they say something as broad sweeping as a producer makes "fake videos." I should know better and not even respond to this BS, but ticklehaven.com is a good friend, has a genuine love of tickling, and we both know what a hot video is. If it's not to your taste, that's cool. There are plenty of samples on here that don't appeal to me, but I think it's best to refrain from the blatantly negative unless you have something encouraging to say at the same time.

So basically anyone posting a negative comment about your work is a liar? Weak sauce....

 

[TickleHaven]

I will also say that I have purchased your clips before, a few of them. But they are not among my favourites. I am not saying, like some of the others, that you produce bad videos, or fake videos, just boring ones. And why spend your time telling everyone here they're wrong when you could just go and make better videos?

By the way: "TickleAbuse 1 & 2 are 2 of the largest companies in the world" ...Freudian slip?

I don't know that there is a better way to cut them. My descriptions are as accurate as possible. I describe the photography style and the clip. I usually tell you if the camera was tripoded, or if there are closeups, etc. I'm not sure how to make non-boring tickling videos; didn't know it was possible to make a tickling "thriller" or a "tickle-drama." If anyone knows how to make a "tickling epic" let me know. "The Contest" from Paradise Vision is probly the closest thing to a tickling epic I can think of.

Freudian slip? How is mentioning them a slip? Tommy is a huge producer, always a top clip store. And also a friend of mine. I'm not sure how that is a slip.

I hear your opinions, they just aren't worth much. "Boring and fake" are poor descriptors-your criticism doesn't offer anything all that constructive.

At any rate, I suspect you are a mole working for another producer.

 

[dman68]

At any rate, I suspect you are a mole working for another producer.

Really? You seriously suspect that?

 

[Fetter]

A mole huh. So now we're into name calling? Please tell me which company I work for so I can bill them, I could use the extra cash. Or better yet, why don't you search through my post history dating back the last seven years and find some evidence for your claims. If my opinions don't count for much to you, that's fine. Other people might be interested to hear them though. Since, after all, this is a discussion forum, not a free advertisement forum.

In any case, you completely missed the basis for my criticisms, which I will reiterate though it seems just as likely you will miss them again: You called this video "sensual" and "erotic". Based on your preview clip, it really, really isn't. The clip is boring, or rather, banal, not because it lacks car chase sequences but because it is like every other clip out there where some guy scrubs away at some girls feet for five minutes like a bear attacking a honey comb. It would seem the community largely agrees with me.

Maybe this is not a problem solely carried on by your company, but by many of the companies out there right now, who think they control some kind of monopoly and that we should be thanking the heavens for any chance to buy up whatever mediocre content they send through the tubes. But even if the others do it, that doesn't mean you should too.

The slip was in calling your companies the "largest in the world" - I thought that was funny because I've never seen TickleAbuse pop up on the Forbes list.

 

[TickleHaven]

"...largest in the world" with regards to tickling

 

[SYELLA]

As a fan of Tickle Abuse I would take you disgruntled members more seriously if you all could point out a particular clip you've purchased from Abuse that fits the description of what you all feel is fake and what is authentic.

 

[vsa7a]

*imitating Flavr Flav* WOOOOOOOOW....

i am laughing my ass off reading all the posts above. it seems like battle of the producers or i am trying to <B>'sell'</B> my videos whatever it may be....

im amused that these producers got so defensive when they couldnt admit their tickling SUCKED. yeah it looked like it definitely had potential from the beginning moment but unfortunately it blew it the next. and when several others came by and made a professional analysis and gave constructive suggestions. these producers insulted them, called them bullshit, and expects them to 'open up their wallets' LMAO

heres some entertaining excerpts...

TickleAbuse 1 & 2 are 2 of the largest companies in the world, so you may think their girls are faking, but you are in the minority. The rest of the world doesn't think the girls are fakers.

i like the fact that said above claims those critics are in the 'minority' and that 'rest of the world' of theirs supposively doesn't think they are fake.

It's silly for me to even entertain this nonsense....Hell, this is a different video, but I can't remember ever being more turned on!

LMAO! now i dunno why this guy is hilarious but he seems to indicate his video was mainly shot out about him going off as an addict to his bad habit.

....and as I matured as a producer so did my content....But to say that this is a bad video, or to say that any of my videos are fake is bullshit, you know it and everyone else knows it!....I should know better and not even respond to this BS....

look how defensive this guy is showing his poor 'maturing' and ass-uming that everyone would agree that he isnt faking not to mention calling out negative critics liars as well as respond to his own BS not once but twice!

The fact that you think I should, as you put it, "open my wallet" to find out how much better your clip is, is insulting. And really bad marketing.

Now if the video goes on to realise its potential, as you say, I find it odd that the clip doesn't in any way reflect that....And why spend your time telling everyone here they're wrong when you could just go and make better videos?

<B>AMEN</B> to that.

At any rate, I suspect you are a mole working for another producer.

HAHAHAHAHA LMAO!!!

A mole huh. So now we're into name calling?....after all, this is a discussion forum, not a free advertisement forum.

....You called this video "sensual" and "erotic". Based on your preview clip, it really, really isn't. The clip is....like every other clip out there where some guy scrubs away at some girls feet for five minutes like a bear attacking a honey comb.

you are DAMN right it aint no free advertisement forum! now where the fuck did producers get that idea all of a sudden? not to mention bad advertising and insulting others. this guy happens to be right. he's like 'i cant believe this! some ASS just wantonly scrubs away at some poor girls feet for five minutes like a bear attacking a honey comb and expects us to buy that' now that was priceless! LMAO

 

[mart]

Amen to the above

I was also wondering how I could have overlooked the listing of a company called Tickle Abuse on the Stock Exchange!
What you guys are getting is CUSTOMER FEEDBACK.
Now Mr Tickle Haven, I actually have no objection at all to the videos you produced, was really taking an interest in your site, especially the first couple of clips you advertised of Elisabeth and that girl on the chair. Both seemed genuine to me and you as a tickler were not throwing you weight about, acting macho, and expecting me to get off on your own experience.
It was when Mr Tickle Abuse hit the scene that I made my first comment, an opinion I still hold, despite all the defensive eyewash.
Get rid of him and you might have a good site.
And take a look at his response to customer feedback so as to learn a lesson in what to avoid.

 

[TickleHaven]

Elizabeth was a good model, she's coming back for another round next month and I have new stocks built.

TickleAbuse helped me a lot, MOST people (including myself) think he makes great videos, and I read thru his old posts last night. He takes meaningful criticism well, as do I. "Boring" and "fake" arent meaningful criticism. Something like "make them wear different outfits" or "more nylon tickling" Or "better lighting and closeups" will help me produce better content. In fact I am shooting in a few hours I could use some useful input.

 

[mart]

"Fake" translated means "stop telling the models how to react." Let them react naturally, with perhaps a little exaggeration for effect. If scrubbing a brush across their feet at fifty miles an hour hurts, then let them say it hurts, not keep laughing for fear of not being paid.
It has all already been said above.
You will never see the good ticklers do this kind of frenetic thing until they have established whether the model reacts to it or not. Look at TIB, at Ticklecentral or Frenchtickling. You may not like their movies, but they are able to get what they want out of their models without all the hype. They are polite, they don't force their personalities into the takes. And if you have to do a scenario, get a girl to do the tickling, or at least take part in it.
And, let the models talk, say what they are experiencing. To me it is far more convincing having a model say that she has ticklish whatevers, than for the tickler to keep talking about it.
It may be just me, but I find a good dialogue between ler and lee very helpful, but one that refers to the tickling that is happening, such as in the case of Guiltrip's movies in Nylon Tickling. I do not really go for nylon tickling myself, but the dialogue I find intriguing. It is the sort of thing I try to get when tickling someone myself.
Now I am sure that there are many people who would have better advice. I only know what I like, so a general question on what makes a good video may help.
But all the advice one gets - tighter bondage, don't let her move, etc - leaves me stone cold. I like a movie in which the girl looks good, is not made to look ridiculous with a ball gag, blindfold or other contraption, and where you can see the reactions at least some of the time. Bondage or no bondage, nudity or not, is all one and the same to me. And I don't like any attempts to humiliate her, but rather for the tickler to stick to tickling.
That is what I can say for the moment. Perhaps others can also contribute.

 

[meantonylonfeet]

more nylons please!

 

[vsa7a]

I was also wondering how I could have overlooked the listing of a company called Tickle Abuse on the Stock Exchange!
What you guys are getting is CUSTOMER FEEDBACK.
Now Mr Tickle Haven, I actually have no objection at all to the videos you produced, was really taking an interest in your site, especially the first couple of clips you advertised of Elisabeth and that girl on the chair. Both seemed genuine to me and you as a tickler were not throwing you weight about, <b>acting macho, and expecting me to get off on your own experience.</b>
It was when Mr Tickle Abuse hit the scene that I made my first comment, an opinion I still hold, despite all the defensive eyewash.
Get rid of him and you might have a good site.
And take a look at his response to customer feedback so as to learn a lesson in what to avoid.

"Fake" translated means "stop telling the models how to react." Let them react naturally, with perhaps a little exaggeration for effect. <b>If scrubbing a brush across their feet at fifty miles an hour hurts, then let them say it hurts, not keep laughing for fear of not being paid.</b>
It has all already been said above.
You will never see the good ticklers do this kind of frenetic thing until they have established whether the model reacts to it or not. Look at TIB, at Ticklecentral or Frenchtickling. You may not like their movies, but they are able to get what they want out of their models without all the hype. They are polite, they don't force their personalities into the takes. And if you have to do a scenario, get a girl to do the tickling, or at least take part in it.
And, let the models talk, say what they are experiencing. <b>To me it is far more convincing having a model say that she has ticklish whatevers, than for the tickler to keep talking about it.</b>
It may be just me, but I find a good dialogue between ler and lee very helpful, but one that refers to the tickling that is happening, such as in the case of Guiltrip's movies in Nylon Tickling. I do not really go for nylon tickling myself, but the dialogue I find intriguing. <b>It is the sort of thing I try to get when tickling someone myself.</b>
Now I am sure that there are many people who would have better advice. I only know what I like, so a general question on what makes a good video may help.
<b>But all the advice one gets - tighter bondage, don't let her move, etc - leaves me stone cold. I like a movie in which the girl looks good, is not made to look ridiculous with a ball gag, blindfold or other contraption, and where you can see the reactions at least some of the time. Bondage or no bondage, nudity or not, is all one and the same to me. And I don't like any attempts to humiliate her, but rather for the tickler to stick to tickling.</b>
That is what I can say for the moment. Perhaps others can also contribute.

exactly this guy said above that Mr. Macho Man and acting like an animal has GOT TO GO. wantonly scratching her feet or anywhere else is NOT tickling thats called fucking off.

a model is ticklish when they react to it NOT when the tickler keeps talking about it.

the tickling looks like tickling when it shows that this is what happens when they get tickled

for example this one youtube.com/watch?v=_Sp2WeXeHfQ

compare that with your tickling and notice the difference that hers actually looks like tickling because it is.

and that guys final advice about rubbish here and there making the tickling look ridiculous and just an eyesore detracts attention on the tickling and its all about the tickling that counts.

 

[SmarterthanU]

Instead of just attacking each other with talk about the past, why don't we say what's really on our minds for the future?

I'll start a new thread that addresses that topic, and we can discuss it.