Sick of idiots posting my content

Dearest Leo said:

SoleMates, the problem is not the quality of the clips....companies put out the same amount of great and not great clips as they always did. It's just the reality of technology at the moment.
Anyone who says "just make better clips", that's not why they are not buying them. They're not buying them because they can get them for free....if not your clips, someone else's. People who say that to you never bought clips in the first place. It's modern convenience, and we all use it so let's not kid ourselves.

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I totally agree! That's why I say that people are constantly moving the goalposts. Whenever you point out that you either do (or can't) produce the kind of material they say they want, they usually fall back on "well it wasn't good enough", which is a completely non-falsifiable argument. It's incredibly frustrating trying to hit that moving target.

I can only watch stuff if I download it.

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As an aside, this is why I think deliverable, stand-alone media will never truly go away. Apple catches hell for their DRM because people want to put their music on other devices. I want DVDs that I can watch when I'm off in the mountains with no Interwebs. Streaming eats up data plans on tablets. And so on.

What I don't like..and I have to say this to SoleMates and other producers I've seen adopt this attitude.....is being referred to as "you guys"......"I give you what you guys tell me what you want"....that is a fundamental misunderstanding of this fetish, and maybe all fetishes.

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Yeah, I acknowledge that I'm personally guilty of this. It goes both ways; I mean, I know that when people come here and start the umpteenth thread about what they hate about videos, they're not talking about my work. But I still feel lumped in with the ones they are talking about, because they don't bother to actually call out the studios they're referring to. And then I get irritated because I feel like I'm standing off to the side waving and shouting "Hey guys, delivering what you asked for, over here!" and they go right on buying from whoever else and bitching about how much they hate it.

It's impossible to get a bead on what everybody wants, because as you said, everybody wants something different. The problem in this particular case, is that the people who are pirating stuff often claim that they do it because the stuff isn't worth buying. So we say "okay, what would make it worth buying?" and then the goalposts get driven off the field. They either want something you can't deliver, or once you deliver it they just pirate it and when you call them on it, say again that it wasn't good enough to buy.

Starting with that stupid fucking hairbrush that every company uses, don't even get me started. We're not some monolithic group of people, who all voted on what to tell you what we want. First of all, my hope is that you already know what we want; the people I want making these videos are people who understand the fetish, who have it themselves. Just because one person writes you and says "use a ballgag", does not mean that we all want to see girls with ballgags. (not that that's what you do in your clips, just using that as an example). So please.....no more "we give you people what you said you wanted".

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Absolutely true. Although on the flipside, you get the vocal minority starting thread after thread about what they hate, assuming that what they want is what everybody wants. Like that guy upthread who's insisting that everybody wants tight bondage and whatever else he was on about. Speaking personally, though... my traffic volume is so low that I literally have to try to cater to every individual person who bothers to offer feedback because every customer counts. I just had to give my first refund in nearly three years due to a technical snafu on C4S's end and it dropped my monthly earnings by 30%.

(for the record, SoleMates, just want you to know: I DID buy all of those Priti clips, at least the first batch, and I thought they were really good clips so....I definitely have put money in your pocket and was completely satisfied with my purchases, just want to put that out there, I endorse those clips, and thank you!) (And no, if those clips have been pirated, it most definitely was not me!)

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Thank you! I really appreciate hearing that. It's extremely rare that I'm able to connect a TMF screenname with an actual customer. Drop me a PM with your purchase information and I'll see if I can't send a little bonus your way.

There's also one thing I haven't seen mentioned: there are a lot of people making these clips now! This isn't 2003, where there was about 10 companies making them, if that. There are many companies that I like and buy from........but I can't keep them all afloat, and I don't think there's enough of us to keep them all afloat. So, there's that too...you guys have more competition amongst each other, as well as from You Tube and Porn Hub and whatever else streams your stuff.

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Precisely! Everyone talking about how membership sites are totes the way to go... how many sites do you reasonably expect to subscribe to? The reality is probably one, maybe two. Beyond that, you'd have to expect us to start offering memberships at like five bucks a month. With C4S (in my case) taking 40% of that, it's a no go.

meangry said:

I am one who has, for years, told producers to aggressively examine their content, their business, and their competitors in the marketplace. The reality is, though, for far too long, producers come here self aggrandizing and screaming about entitlement. Some posters have literally gone on to death about shrinking accessibility to content because of the idea of piracy is so great to them, and they come here and try to talk others into it.

Tickling clips are a very saturated market. And, just like anything in economics, you can listen to customers, you can advertise, you can do what everyone else is telling you or you can copy what competitors do and still run at a loss. You can still go out of business. Everything about it is inherent risk.

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I agree, sometimes the folks on my end of the stick occasionally get cranky or otherwise don't express ourselves particularly well when it comes to the realities of the biz. I myself am guilty of it on occasion. You have to have a balancing act between staying in the black and being too tight-fisted with your material. I mean, I remember when I was giving away my "Best of" compilations a few months ago, at least one person asked me if I was nuts. Figuring out the balance to strike isn't easy, and yes, some folks are a little too full of themselves. But I also think that some of the people crying "entitlement!" are expecting too much. People want previews that are half as long as the clip, or they want to watch the entire thing and then decide if it was worth buying. That's just not reasonable.

TL;DR - I guess ultimately what I'm getting at is that yes, the market is saturated so I don't understand why, if it's really true that the people pirating are only doing it because producers are doing X, Y, and Z and not offering A, B, and C, that a producer who isn't doing X, Y, and Z and is offering A, B, and C is struggling. It's almost as if those reasons aren't actually the real issue, and are just being used as a smokescreen for the ability to just not have to pay for stuff. Free is always better than not free, after all.

I support the pirates.

Must be the only one here who does.

I can't sympathize with anyone who makes tickle fetish videos and expects it to be anything more than a hobby.

I sympathize with the models about as much as a sympathize with stupid people who get tattoos and later regret it.

isurrender said:

I support the pirates.
Must be the only one here who does.
I can't sympathize with anyone who makes tickle fetish videos and expects it to be anything more than a hobby.
I sympathize with the models about as much as a sympathize with stupid people who get tattoos and later regret it.

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Even if something's just "a hobby", how does that give anyone else the right to take away their profits?

Wolf said:

Even if something's just "a hobby", how does that give anyone else the right to take away their profits?

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Lost profit from making a tickle fetish video?

Sorry, but I just don't care.

People have a right to take that profit away until he can stop it.


And good luck paying a lawyer $500 to write a strongly worded cease and desist letter.

isurrender said:

Lost profit from making a tickle fetish video?
People have a right to take that profit away until he can stop it.

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Uh..what?
Do you have a GED in law?

The "I don't care" part I can see...the ignorance is baffling.

isurrender said:

I support the pirates.

Must be the only one here who does.

I can't sympathize with anyone who makes tickle fetish videos and expects it to be anything more than a hobby.

I sympathize with the models about as much as a sympathize with stupid people who get tattoos and later regret it.

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So edgy, you are.

You really should focus on social media pirates. I see the most pirated TA content on Facebook.

isurrender said:

I support the pirates.

Must be the only one here who does.

I can't sympathize with anyone who makes tickle fetish videos and expects it to be anything more than a hobby.

I sympathize with the models about as much as a sympathize with stupid people who get tattoos and later regret it.

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isurrender said:

Lost profit from making a tickle fetish video?

Sorry, but I just don't care.

People have a right to take that profit away until he can stop it.


And good luck paying a lawyer $500 to write a strongly worded cease and desist letter.

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Gee, I wonder why you've never been laid before.

Comfort Eagle said:

Gee, I wonder why you've never been laid before.

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I guess that also explains why he's so edgy.

Comfort Eagle said:

Gee, I wonder why you've never been laid before.

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That's a pretty low blow but it made me laugh so who am I to judge 😛

Tickle Abuse said:

I have a model who may lose her job over it.

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First off, let me say that I am NOT a lawyer, but I am pretty sure a boss can't fire someone for what they do outside the job [well, they could, but could be sued for wrongful termination]

And the second point I would make is, if he or she [the boss] found the video, what was he or she looking up? The boss could be at fault of looking at [what would be considered as] porn at the workplace.

tickle gamer said:

First off, let me say that I am NOT a lawyer, but I am pretty sure a boss can't fire someone for what they do outside the job [well, they could, but could be sued for wrongful termination]
And the second point I would make is, if he or she [the boss] found the video, what was he or she looking up? The boss could be at fault of looking at [what would be considered as] porn at the workplace.

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A lot of states have "right to work" laws in place, where an employer can fire an employee for any reason they want (including, "I just don't like you"); wrongful termination is much harder to prove in "right to work" states, unless theres an EEOC violation at play.

RE to Wolf

Well, I was working off the fact that TA didn't give a state.

but, there is still my second point, and I don't know of any states that allows you to look up porn [and a tickle video would qualify as such] at the workplace, so the model could go to the next highest up in rank and tell him/her about her/his boss [or, in some cases, just threaten too, and the boss would drop it-very risky though]

I feel sorry for the producers and the models that create the videos but I'm not sure how it can be stopped

luvgirlsfeet said:

I feel sorry for the producers and the models that create the videos but I'm not sure how it can be stopped

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Well, there is one way, if the producers would take a page from the movie studios book, and after so long [after people have stopped buying it so much-say, after a few months] do like the movie studios, but instead of HBO and other movie channels, just give sites like youtube and pornhub the say to post them.

I mean after people stop buying them, what good are they doing just setting there? At least on the other site they may get more people to come to your site and maybe buy your newer stuff.

P.S. [To Luv] I feel the same way about Kaley Cuoco's feet

tickle gamer said:

Well, there is one way, if the producers would take a page from the movie studios book, and after so long [after people have stopped buying it so much-say, after a few months] do like the movie studios, but instead of HBO and other movie channels, just give sites like youtube and pornhub the say to post them.

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Movie companies don't give away their material to HBO, though.They have contracts with those entities and make money off of those, too. The only give-away of old films is when copyright expires or any licensing agreement ends and someone forgets to renew.

And I do buy old clips if I come across something I like but missed it when it came out in 2005 or 2014 or whenever....

tickle gamer said:

Well, there is one way, if the producers would take a page from the movie studios book, and after so long [after people have stopped buying it so much-say, after a few months] do like the movie studios, but instead of HBO and other movie channels, just give sites like youtube and pornhub the say to post them.

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Yeah, that may or may not work for Hollywood, but you can't always make an apple's to apple's analogy when coming up with solutions to porn piracy. We've been creating videos for twenty years. Now and again, we remove videos for several years for any number of reasons. On occasions, we will re-release them to a decent
response in sales. The reason? Well, one is that a lot of new customers who never saw that video want to buy it. For videos that we have not removed, but are several years old (even a decade or more) and still continue to make money, it's because new customers are constantly finding them or even finding the fetish or even the internet. People don't stop buying most our videos. Some videos perform better than others, but they all perform. Giving out freebies may create some goodwill (we've done it ourselves), but how much of an uptick in sales does it create? In my experience, folks who use pornhub and other pirating sites, don't spend a lot money for any number of reasons. Throwing a few bones their way isn't going to sway these people into parting with money.

RE to Oddjob

I'm not saying give away the rights to the video. A better example would have been like "SexyandFunny.com", they pay a little for the video [guessing] and also put up a link to the producers site so you can buy the full video [if you want].

Re to LGZ

There is another way I thought up, but it would take a lot more work to do it. Now bare with me, this is going to sound a little nuts at first.

First up, format you site like youtube, where the video are embedded [playable in-site], and for the moment you would think free, but I well fix that soon.

next, the video would be free, but when someone pushes play the video screen would go black and a message would come up asking the watcher to enter a "watch code", that is what they would have to buy from the producer and not the video itself.

you would still have to worry about programs like the "youtube downloader", but this idea is better than nothing [and I am in no way saying it's perfect]

tickle gamer said:

you would still have to worry about programs like the "youtube downloader", but this idea is better than nothing [and I am in no way saying it's perfect]

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And that is the problem. There are simple programs to do entire site rips. A youtube based porn site is little more than an open call to raid the chicken coop. My own philosophy is trying to make customers who are willing to spend money happy and not struggle to convince those that feel it should be free to change their mind. I have neither the time nor resources for that five year mission.

tickle gamer said:

Re to LGZ
There is another way I thought up, but it would take a lot more work to do it. Now bare with me, this is going to sound a little nuts at first.
First up, format you site like youtube, where the video are embedded [playable in-site], and for the moment you would think free, but I well fix that soon.
next, the video would be free, but when someone pushes play the video screen would go black and a message would come up asking the watcher to enter a "watch code", that is what they would have to buy from the producer and not the video itself. you would still have to worry about programs like the "youtube downloader", but this idea is better than nothing [and I am in no way saying it's perfect]

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A lot of producers on Clips4Sale have their own streaming membership sites, where people can watch all or most of their videos for one flat monthly fee. You keep coming up with these ideas that really don't have much of an upside for the producers, and aren't any better than what's already being done.

isurrender said:

I support the pirates.

Must be the only one here who does.

I can't sympathize with anyone who makes tickle fetish videos and expects it to be anything more than a hobby.

I sympathize with the models about as much as a sympathize with stupid people who get tattoos and later regret it.

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isurrender said:

Lost profit from making a tickle fetish video?

Sorry, but I just don't care.

People have a right to take that profit away until he can stop it.


And good luck paying a lawyer $500 to write a strongly worded cease and desist letter.

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Her boobies felt like...like...like bags of sand!

Wolf said:

You keep coming up with these ideas that really don't have much of an upside for the producers, and aren't any better than what's already being done.

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Hey, I'm just trying to help here, but if you all don't want it just tell me and I'll leave.

tickle gamer said:

Hey, I'm just trying to help here, but if you all don't want it just tell me and I'll leave.

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No, I get that you're trying to help. I just don't see how the ideas are helpful for the producers at all.

Wolf said:

No, I get that you're trying to help. I just don't see how the ideas are helpful for the producers at all.

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Well, I am thinking along the lines of making it a little harder to steal them, so maybe they would decide it was to much trouble to steal them.

I know my ideas are not perfect, but I don't think there is a way to stop it 100%.

P.S. If I were you, I be more careful about how I word things, I was already composing my "Last Post"