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10 People Killed in Minnesota Shootings

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BEMIDJI, Minn. - A high school student went on a shooting rampage on an Indian reservation Monday, killing his grandparents at their home and then seven people at his school, “grinning and waving” as he fired, authorities and witnesses said. The gunman was later found shot to death.

It was the nation’s worst school shooting since the Columbine massacre in 1999.

Students pleaded with the gunman to stop shooting.

“You could hear a girl saying, ’No, Jeff, quit, quit. Leave me alone. What are you doing?” Sondra Hegstrom told The Pioneer of Bemidji, using the name of the suspected shooter.

Before the shootings at Red Lake High School, the suspect’s grandparents were shot in their home and died later. There was no immediate indication of the gunman’s motive.

Six students including the gunman were killed at the school, along with a teacher and a security guard, FBI spokesman Paul McCabe said at a news conference in Minneapolis.

14 to 15 other students were injured, McCabe said. Some were being cared for in Bemidji, about 20 miles south of Red Lake. Authorities closed roads to the reservation in far northern Minnesota while they investigate the shootings.

Hegstrom described the gunman grinning and waving at a student his gun was pointed at, then swiveling to shoot someone else. “I looked him in the eye and ran in the room, and that’s when I hid,” she told The Pioneer.

McCabe declined to talk about a possible connection between the suspect and the couple killed at the home, but Red Lake Fire Director Roman Stately said they were the grandparents of the shooter. He identified the shooter’s grandfather as Daryl Lussier, a longtime officer with the Red Lake Police Department, and said Lussier’s guns may have been used in the shootings.

Stately said the shooter had two handguns and a shotgun.

“After he shot a security guard, he walked down the hallway shooting and went into a classroom where he shot a teacher and more students,” Stately told Minneapolis television station KARE.

Students and a teacher, Diane Schwanz, said the shooter tried to break down a door to get into her classroom.

“I just got on the floor and called the cops,” Schwanz told the Pioneer. “I was still just half-believing it.”

Ashley Morrison, another student, had taken refuge in Schwanz’s classroom. With the shooter banging on the door, she dialed her mother on her cell phone. Her mother, Wendy Morrison, said she could hear gunshots on the line.

“’Mom, he’s trying to get in here and I’m scared,”’ Ashley Morrison told her mother.

All of the dead students were found in one room. One of them was a boy believed to be the shooter, McCabe said. He would not comment on reports that the boy shot himself and said it was too early to speculate on a motive.

Martha Thunder’s 15-year-old son, Cody, was being treated for a gunshot wound to the hip.

“He heard gunshots and the teacher said ’No, that’s the janitor’s doing something,’ and the next thing he knew, the kid walked in there and pointed the gun right at him,” Thunder said.

The shooter fired twice. The first bullet struck a clock on the wall behind Cody, who ducked. The second bullet hit him in the hip, she said.

The school was evacuated after the shootings and locked down for the investigation, McCabe said.

“It will probably take us throughout the night to really put the whole picture together,” he said.

It was the nation’s worst school shooting since two students at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 23 before killing themselves on April 20, 1999.

The rampage in Red Lake was the second fatal school shooting in Minnesota in 18 months. Two students were killed at Rocori High School in Cold Spring in September 2003. Student John Jason McLaughlin, who was 15 at the time, awaits trial in the case.

Red Lake High School, on the Red Lake Indian Reservation, has about 300 students, according to its Web site.

The reservation is about 240 miles north of the Twin Cities. It is home to the Red Lake Chippewa Tribe, one of the poorest in the state. According to the 2000 census, 5,162 people lived on the reservation, and all but 91 were full-blooded Indians.



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I'm speechless. It just seems like tragedy after tragedy after tragedy. How I long for an end to all senseless violence like this. The families of the victims will be in my heart and in my prayers, as well as those who have been injured. A speedy recovery to heart, mind, body and soul for all involved.

Mimi
 
hm...well, it's so easy to get guns in this country, it's no wonder...a sad day indeed.
 
Yeah i heard alittle bit about this as well. it's a truely sad indeed. i feel for the families and close friends involved that lost there friends in the end. and Mimi violence will never end in this world all of man kind only knows sin and thats it thier blind to there own doings they would rather sin and do evil things. it's the blind leading the blind in a hateful and sinful nature and it's only going to get worse
 
I first heard of this on the news tonight, Mimi. What a horrible tradegy. You wonder what goes through the disturbed mind of someone who kills so many innocent people, and then himself. That boy had no respect for human life, even his own. What a terrible, terrible thing.

Mitch
 
Re: sorry

jk666uk said:

ban guns now

never going to happen. criminals and law breakers ingeneral are to smart and will ALWAYS find new ways around things.
 
15-year-old Jeff Weise was a quiet, much-teased loner who had a disturbed background - his father committed suicide four years ago and his mother is in a nursing home because of brain injuries following an auto accident.

Jeff was living with his grandfather, a longtime Red Lake police officer.
After he shot his grandfather & his grandfather's girlfriend, he donned his grandfather's bulletproof vest & gun belt, armed himself with his grandfather's two handguns and a shotgun, and drove to the highschool.

School workers described Jeff Weise as "a mixed-up kid who seemed lost in life."
 
Re: sorry

jk666uk said:
it only ever happen in america
ban guns now

I understand your rationale, but upon closer inspection, this Weise guy was a neo-nazi, or at least, he had neo-nazi leanings. He regularly posted on a neo-nazi forum, and he was known for being the kid everybody picked on. Basically, you could chalk this guy up to being yet another "Klebold and Harris", except that he worked alone. He was obviously disturbed, and if he hadn't had access to a gun, he probably would've still killed somebody at some point, whether with a knife or whatever. I agree that easy access to guns leads to problems like this, but it's not the system's fault. This is partially the fault of the kid's grandfather. Apparently, he left his weapons in a place where his grandson could find them, and also, he should have at least noticed his grandson was becoming mentally unstable. Now, he and his wife, 7 students, a security guard, and his crazy-ass grandson are dead. The only upside to all of this is that the kid offed himself, which makes the aftermath a tad easier than it would have been otherwise.
 
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MrMacphisto said:
I understand your rationale, but upon closer inspection, this Weise guy was a neo-nazi, or at least, he had neo-nazi leanings. He regularly posted on a neo-nazi forum, and he was known for being the kid everybody picked on. Basically, you could chalk this guy up to being yet another "Klebold and Harris", except that he worked alone. He was obviously disturbed, and if he hadn't had access to a gun, he probably would've still killed somebody at some point, whether with a knife or whatever. I agree that easy access to guns leads to problems like this, but it's not the system's fault. This is partially the fault of the kid's grandfather. Apparently, he left his weapons in a place where his grandson could find them, and also, he should have at least noticed his grandson was becoming mentally unstable. Now, he and his wife, 7 students, a security guard, and his crazy-ass grandson are dead. The only upside to all of this is that the kid offed himself, which makes the aftermath a tad easier than it would have been otherwise.

the kid i believe posted at Nazi.com

(just what i heard on the news on Fox News Channel) it's not like i know the kid personally.
 
It is a tragedy, to be sure. What's doubly appalling is that some people will use this tragedy for political leverage, to underline their agendas for gun control and/or violence on TV and in Video Games.
 
Well, I don't believe violence on TV or games or in music has anything to do with acts of violence like this. Either a child knows the difference between right and wrong, or they don't. And if they don't, they need help regardless. It can not be blamed on what they see on TV or see on video games or hear in music. We have 3 kids around the age of 10 with whom we censor from nothing aside from porn. They watch R movies, they play GTA, and they listen to all music unedited. They are bright kids, and KNOW the difference between right and wrong, real life and fantasy. If a child sees that on TV and gets literal ideas in their head about killing someone, something is not right. They are not mentally stable and they need help. Same with guns. I'd like to see tighter gun ownership laws that make it more difficult to acquire them, but there are lots of ways to kill or injure people without guns. So taking away all guns won't help either. Blaming elements like that are nothing more than an easy excuse for poor awareness and involvement in childrens lives.

The true answer, IMO, lies in involvement and intervention with all children, so you can pick out the potentially needy ones, and get involved with preventing them from crossing that line long before it's too late.

Mimi
 
Ok lets hear it.........

......all you "well regulated militia" types...whats the excuse THIS time??

If you can imprison hundreds of people without trial in Cuba for years, and then send them home without charge, you can do anything.

So how about some kind of gun control?

You did win two world wars all by yourself, and get to the moon, so dont give me any bull all you second ammendment zombies!
 
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The one part of the background of these school shooters that I can relate to is that of being the kid who gets picked on. I was picked on, and believe me, especially in my seventh grade year, I had my fantasies. I can't personally relate to a kid being drawn to Naziism, other than to suggest that there may be a connection between being made to feel profoundly inferior and needing a philosophy of life that allows one to feel profoundly superior to someone, since after all, Naziism is about feeling profoundly superior to others on the basis of a mere accident of birth in a particular lineage. One thing I think, though, is that the plight of the kid who is being picked on needs to be taken seriously if we want to reduce the number of these occurrences.

Nothing in this post should be interpreted as suggesting that being picked on is an excuse for becoming either a Nazi or a school shooter. But I do think the problem needs to be addressed, and I think that teachers have a long history of not only ignoring outcasting but condoning it and identifying themselves with the in-crowd at the expense of the outcasts. That is my own memory of my growing-up years.
 
I agree Work. Those who are picked on and perhaps don't have many friends to turn to for support and/or understanding live with a feeling of loneliness and desperation unknown to most, and those kids especially need someone they can turn to when they get overwhelmed. Those should be the first students teachers and councelors reach out to. Parents should also be closely involved with their childrens lives, and seek help at the first sign of depression or anxiety. So many crimes like this or suicides or runaways can be prevented with a little attention and intervention.

Mimi
 
natural tickler said:
And that's a bad thing, Drew??🙄

Censorship is a bad thing, and having your right to bear arms stripped away from you is also a bad thing.
 
Re: Ok lets hear it.........

red indian said:
......all you "well regulated militia" types...whats the excuse THIS time??

If you can imprison hundreds of people without trial in Cuba for years, and then send them home without charge, you can do anything.

So how about some kind of gun control?

You did win two world wars all by yourself, and get to the moon, so dont give me any bull all you second ammendment zombies!

The Cuba thing is rather embarassing, but leave it to the neo-cons to fuck civil liberties up....

Not all Americans think we won WWII by ourselves, but most of us believe that we were a lot of the reason why the tide turned against the Nazies. Without our help, winning WWII would have been a lot harder for Britain, Russia, and East Asia. We pretty much were the reason for why the Japanese lost, since we were able to exert more military power in the Pacific than any of the other Allies. Russia was the main reason why Germany lost.

The 2nd Amendment is important to American culture because we started this country by defending ourselves against the British. I won't go into whether or not it was a smart decision to fight the British, but nonetheless, it worked (with a lot of outside help from France), and thus, guns became a large part of our heritage. Banning guns here is ridiculous, because you'd have revolts all over the place if you suddenly made guns illegal.
 
I say, split the difference, on the gun control thing. I wouldn't favor a total ban on private ownership of guns, but I do favor background checks, waiting periods, and control of certain kinds of guns, and I reject the NRA's argument that any and all such restrictions are a step toward that total ban.

If every purchase of a gun required a three-day waiting period, it wouldn't stop professional outlaws from getting guns, and it probably wouldn't stop school shootings, but it would certainly save a life here and there by preventing the scenario where two guys are fighting in a bar, and one pissed-off guy goes and buys a gun and comes back and shoots the other.

Since neither a total ban nor total gun freedom is feasible, since some balance of gun freedom and gun control is more realistic, I wish that more people could talk about gun laws on a case-by-case basis in the spirit of searching for what's the best all-around solution.
 
It's funny you mention background checks, because they already do that for handguns. The only guns you can get without a background check are shotguns and hunting rifles.
 
Well, the thing I ask of gun freedom defenders is this: Take each law on a case-by-case basis, and when a law is proposed, look only at that specific law and, if you oppose it, build your opposition entirely on why the specific provisions of that law are undesirable. For instance, if there's a proposed law banning plastic guns that can slip through metal detectors, tell us what is wrong with a law banning plastic guns that can slip through metal detectors, omitting all references to other gun laws and all references to the notion that any new gun law is a step down some slippery slope toward the total ban on private gun ownership. I say this because there is a certain lobby group, whose initials match those of the National Recovery Administration of the 1930s, which categorically opposes all gun control based on the generalized idea of gun freedom and on the slippery-slope theory, and I don't consider their behavior constructive.
 
It's a sick cold world dawg...

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WorkInProgress said:
Well, the thing I ask of gun freedom defenders is this: Take each law on a case-by-case basis, and when a law is proposed, look only at that specific law and, if you oppose it, build your opposition entirely on why the specific provisions of that law are undesirable. For instance, if there's a proposed law banning plastic guns that can slip through metal detectors, tell us what is wrong with a law banning plastic guns that can slip through metal detectors, omitting all references to other gun laws and all references to the notion that any new gun law is a step down some slippery slope toward the total ban on private gun ownership. I say this because there is a certain lobby group, whose initials match those of the National Recovery Administration of the 1930s, which categorically opposes all gun control based on the generalized idea of gun freedom and on the slippery-slope theory, and I don't consider their behavior constructive.

Dude, I'm with you on the logic thing. The NRA is full of shit, but what I'm saying is that banning guns here at this point is impossible. Even if I wanted it to happen, I wouldn't support it, because of the ensuing chaos that would result. Enough people in this country go postal over little things. Imagine how many would go postal over a total gun ban.
 
I hear what you are saying Fisto..........

......but i am still not convinced. My remarks carried a back handed compliment, in that I believe the US CAN come up with a solution once the government and the people put their minds to it. Kennedy said "we are going to the moon" and you did it. If Bush says "we are having strict new gun laws" it will happen.

When kennedy spoke no one shrugged their shoulders and said "yes well thats a very fine ambition of course but, there are just to many insurmountable problems".
 
This tragedy is the result of an angry and disturbed young man, not gun control laws (or lack of them). I've said it before and believe it bears repeating that nowadays children do not have the coping skills and the emotional fortitude we had "back in the day." I grew up picked on and teased pretty much wherever I went. Living through the Twiggy generation as a heavy child made my life a living hell. Sometimes I even have flashbacks and I haven't been in school in MANY years. Did I wish them dead? YES!! Did I fantasize revenge on a regular basis? HELL YES? But, did I EVER act on my thoughts? Certainly not!! So why are so many children committing heinous acts of violence today? We never would've dreamed this stuff up twenty years ago.

You can have all the gun control laws you want. But if you have a sick and twisted individual hell bent on murder, they're going to find a way to do it. And no, I'm not pro-guns either and don't see the necessity of keeping a friggin' arsenal in your basement. Never owned one and don't ever intend on owning one. But if I ever change my mind and feel the need to protect myself, I should be able to do it.
 
Re: I hear what you are saying Fisto..........

red indian said:
......but i am still not convinced. My remarks carried a back handed compliment, in that I believe the US CAN come up with a solution once the government and the people put their minds to it. Kennedy said "we are going to the moon" and you did it. If Bush says "we are having strict new gun laws" it will happen.

Yeah, but if Bush said that, he'd get assassinated like Kennedy... Hey wait... YEAH! STRICTER GUN LAWS NOW!!! Thank you for that epiphany. I'll start the campaigning immediately.... 😀
 
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