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Alien Versus Predator (some spoilers)

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In any film, it is important to please your core audience, that is, your key demographic. In a film franchise, your core audience already exists, so you need not waste time with character development nor with introducing the audience with the film's universe. What a film franchise does need to do, above all else, is to satisfy the audience's desire to see more of what made them come back in the first place.
When two franchises come together to make a completely new film (i.e. Godzilla vs King Kong, Freddy Vs Jason, Abbot and Costello meet the revolting blob) the resulting film is presented with the task of giving fans of both universes enough eye-candy to make them leave the theater happy.
Paul W.S. Anderson, most notable for directing the 2002 hit Resident Evil, was presented with the unenviable task of pitting Ridley Scott's Aliens against John McTeirnan's Predator; and he did a terrible job of it.
For nearly 45 minutes, Anderson subjects his built-in audience to scientists who are about as scientific as Gallagher: a trail guide, (without anyone trailing) dangling inches from the summit of a mountain to answer a cell phone, an Italian archaeologist who, after months of excavating an ancient ruin with toothbrushes and pipe-cleaners, reaches into a hole and rummages around in the dig with his hands, and an inexplicable Irish guy, whose sole purpose on this expedition is to display that he has children, thus making his death that much more tragic. Briefly speaking, the characters are informed that Satellite imagery has detected an ancient pyramid 2000 feet below Antarctic ice, and after far too much bickering, decide to go investigate. All this, and we still have not seen that stars of the film, the reason we all came down to the theater in the first place: The Aliens and the Predator! Instead we seen Lance Henriksen reprising his role as the legendary Charles Bishop Weyland, and Sanaa Latham as Ashanti Lookalike Alexa Woods, both of whom are constantly at odds against one another about whether this expedition is a good idea or not.
Finally, when the humans eventually meander their way blindly and stupidly (as humans in these films often do) into the bowels of this pyramid, the beings commonly referred to as "Predators" arrive on the scene. At approximately the same time, in one of the more interesting scenes of the film, we are given a chance to see an Alien Queen bound in chains, and forced to lay dozens of eggs. Thus begins the plot which the audience came to see, Aliens versus Predators, a little less than an hour into the film. What results are most of the humans being killed by Aliens, (which we rarely are allowed to actually see, due to Hitchcock style camera work, and sub-standard lighting techniques) as well as a few red-shirted extras getting slaughtered by Predators. Given that this film takes place in 2004, we must assume that Weyland created the Bishop android before going to Antarctica since... well, he's not going to be going home.
Finally, we get to see the Aliens and Predators battle it out mano a mano (not the free-for-all that most of us would have enjoyed) and surprise! There's no clear-cut winner, but I doubt that anyone really expected that.
The most disappointing aspect of this film was that the aliens (Aliens and Predators combined) seemed to be completely different entities from the incarnations of films past. Originally, the Aliens of Ridley Scott's film were frightening because they were simply so strange and creepy. The aliens of AVP were neither strange nor creepy. Perhaps we are so immune to their appearance that the Aliens no longer affect us in the same manner, or possibly this anomaly is due to the fact that the Aliens are so rarely on the screen that we are not given a chance to revile them but rather we are expected to assume that something terrible is happening just off camera.
Similarly, the Predator character (there are several "predators", but the film centers on one character) is reduced to screen fodder by making "him" much less menacing and frightening. The previous two Predator films involved a monster that their victims could not see. In AVP, the Predators' camoflague is used once or twice to exemplify the elemnt of surprise, but never again. Predator is cast here as little morem than Jason Voorhees.
While there were wonderful elements of the film; the Predator's use of a third light spectrum to view the Aliens, the unlikely alliance between human and Predator; the film lacked any real draw as a sequel to either franchise. It was watered down in order to garner a PG-13 rating (a rating mind you, that none of the Alien movies sported, nor did the Predator films, all six were rated R), meaning less to see and more to complain about.
If taken seriously, AVP is a disappointment. If taken for what it's worth, a B-movie directed by a hack director who fails to do any research, it would be less of a disappointment. In all, a decent movie, with one dimentional acting and a terrible script.
The special effects?.... that's another gripe entirely.
 
I just got back from watching this movie, and honestly, I agree with you though not as strongly.

The biggest disappointment for me came in that there was no real 'war' to speak of. It was a game of cat and mouse, which I suppose to the Predators must be enough. Its what they wanted, and they used the Humans to get it.

The trailers on tv were very misleading. That huge battle on top of the pyrimid wherein a least a million Aliens were storming up the sides of it to fight an outmatched squad of Predators led us all to believe this was actually part of the movie, when in fact, it was more or less a flashback or vision just to make us understand the plot. It never technically happened in the movie.

I was under the impression that there would be an army of Predators fighting the legions of the Aliens. I'm sure this what we all expected somehow. But no, everything is set inside this pyrimid and left to play itself out.

I think what hurt the plot was the fact that the entire event was centralized within this pyrimid and it was only hinted, obviously of course, that if the fighting broke out on the surface, the entire world be in jeopardy.

Most of the characters were killed off prematurely. I didn't like that either. I knew they would all die, all except the girl, and I knew "the side we would choose" was obviously that of Predator. I have to admit though, I liked the dynamic that the Predator and the lead female character (can't remember her name) had. Its something I didn't expect on an individual level like that, but then again, how many Humans were left to work together with at that point? 😛

The zinger at the end with the newborn alien didn't surprize me at all, as we knew the Predator was infested, or could have been. I chose to believe he was, and I was right. Now we are led to believe we have this new menace aboard a Predator ship. Its no bid deal, as the Predators will kill it quickly, perhaps with only a few loses or none at all. An isolated incident at best, thats hardly anything to be spooked about.

If anything, it was a going away present.

I liked the special effects, thats a different matter altogether. But I didn't like the way the plot worked, there wasn't enough fighting, nothing large scale, characters killed too quickly, and we are ultimately left with wanting more.

I was at least hoping the Predator leader, general, commander, captain, whomever he is would say something to her, but nope, he just gives her his personal staff as a gift in honor of her valiant performance. This alone was ok, as it was of sentimental value, as this did of course happen to Harrigan (Danny Glover) in Predator 2. Whether or not this Predator is the same one, we can only guess.

I was really hoping this would be something to remember, one of those classics. But honestly, it doesn't deserve a status like that, whereas any of the individual Alien or Predator movies do.

This movie did not do the game series, the comic series, the movies etc, justice as it should have, and I feel it failed in so many ways.

I liked it for what it was, but I was left with wanting more. And after all the stock that was apparently put into this, I doubt there will be a sequel. I hope there is one though, so that they might redeem this failure and give the audiance what they want! That goes for whether you're a fan of the series, or are just a movie patron!

Alien Versus Predator was a good movie, but not great. Special effects saved it, but thats all the saving that was done.
 
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😀 Atleast, it seems entertaining with decent special effects. 😛 🙂
 
Oh, don't get me wrong, the cinematics were great, and the fighting sequences were good too, but the entire movie just seemed pre-mature and sub-par.

How long had they been working on developing this movie? It feels to me as if it was made practically overnight with CG as filler. I know thats an overstatement, but it didn't seem as grand in creation as it seemed digitally, as a final piece.

I expected much more out of a series that has had many years to develop into a block-buster spectacular that would have people all into it, talking around the water coolers at work and such.

But no, this feels like something I'd just mention to someone, and not really get into, save to explain my dissatisfaction.

Oh, there sure was a hype and anticipation for this movie, but it was short lived as the product simply didn't deliver.
 
I liked it. I agree though that there should have been more. I liked the main actress, I think she was casted well. I also agree that the humans died far too quickly. Although I was rooting for the aliens. I DEMAND a sequel. Also yes the predators and aliens did lose a little bit of their overall scare power. But it's the 5th aliens movie and the 3rd pred movie so of course they arent going to be as frightening as when they first appeared. I'd give this movie an 8.5
 
I was looking for a war, not a skirmish. The whole advertisment of this movie was very misleading.

"We're in the middle of a war!"

No, more like a little skirmish lady, sorry. 😛 🙄
 
What did you guys really expect?? and just how much could they possibly put in a 2 hr movie?? I think this movie is SCREAMING fr a sequel😀
 
I expected more. Even if that more would have simply been a little more of a large-scale battle, akin to the one in the flashback.

This wasn't a battle. It was more abouts wits then anything. It was more like a hunt then a war. The advertizements would lead us to believe that there would be this huge confrontation and we would get caught in the middle.

It never happened. It was just some humans getting lost in a maze, one Predator helping the remaining human, the Queen calling for help, the queen getting loose, and a short skirmish here and there.

This movie didn't test either race or ask the question- who would win? People will no doubtedly talk about it as if there was this battle, but its all presumptual, as we didn't see anything close to a battle.

It was individual melee, which to me, is not large scale, and hardly tests either of the three races involved.

To answer you question of how much they could have put into a two hour movie, its simple- they could have put much more. Yes, it would have been condensed, but if they would have had one large battle, accompanied by several skirmishes, then that would have been fine.

I actually would have been satisfied completely if that battle on top of the pyrimid in the flashback actually HAPPENED!

And yes, it is screaming for a sequel, and boy does it need it!
 
Once more and again, the previews were very misleading. I think if they would have saved the hype for the sequel (persumable sequel), then it would have worked better this way.

They painted this to be a war when it was not. What it was was a test. Obviously the Predators had everything under control as they were observing everything from the ship and could have interviened at any time. Everything that happened, they allowed to happen. It was nothing more to them than a right of passage for their select warriors for that particular mission to undergo. A way of proving themselves to their superiors and their society and race.

This wasn't a battle, this wasn't a war. It was a field test. There damn well better be a war next time! 😡 😛 😀
 
I knew something was wrong with this movie the moment I learned it was PG-13.
 
How Can You Be Misled By The Previews?

They're merely scenes from the movie shown out of context? Or is that something beyond your mental grasp? If you were mislead it was because you don't know how to read the map.

Overall it was a great movie, with little having to think.

The black girl cast in the lead was YOWZAA!

Also Blade 3 is coming out, with Jennifer Biel cast as the female lead, my tongue is getting hard)

Tron
 
Yes, thats what they were, scenes shown out of context. Theres nothing I don't understand about how such things work. It was just disappointing.

I suppose it would take a fan of series to see the flaws and shortcomings in the movie. Any another regular movie patron might feel as you do though, and thats perfectly fine. I'm glad you could walk away with that. 🙂
 
I admit, i enjoyed this movie a fair bit. While i do think that the story focused a bit too much on the humans, i expected this. I admit i was a little disapointed that the two predators were killed off so quickly, but i'll survive. I felt the fight scenes were good. Not quiet great, but good. As for a war...to be honest, i didn't really see it happening on a grande scale. Simply put, the predators are way to advanced to need to fight via LOTR's style with the aliens, though you have to admit that would have been extremely cool. With the predators weapons, they could easily nuke a planet or just use strategic plasma weapons.
The biggest problem with a huge hand to hand combat scene with the aliens would be the blood acid though. The aliens would just rain down acid in the buckets on the preds, which while there tough fuckers, would get burned to hell by it. Still though it would be cool to see, and perhaps, if this movie does well, which it seems to be doing, they will probably make a sequal. With any luck, this movie will have laid enough ground work down that we can get to the preds quicker. I've only read a few comics of Pred VS Aliens, but sometimes they have humans who have been accepted by the preds as comerades, like the black chick was in this one. Hopefully they'll do something like that, starting off in space with a human who has already joined with the preds. I think Vin diesal would make a good lead for that, since he has a great natural build, and i think he makes for a decent combat actor.

As far as a the scare factor...none of the previous movies ever scared me really. The preds were sheer entertainment, especially number two, and the aliens never scared me, though the made me jump once or twice, mainly from surprise.
 
Yeah, I'm well aware of the factors, but like you admitted, it would have been cool to see. I didn't expect this so much as I expected more action or, like I said, that pyrimid battle in the flashback. That would have been fine. A good portion of the movie just seemed to be silence and dialogue with creatures stalking about and people finding different rooms, etc.

I don't think the score was very gripping either. Was there any music? I don't recall there being any. If there was it didn't stand out for me.

If this was just to set the stage for a sequel, then by all means it was excellent, and I'll gladly retract all of my previous statements. If however, this was designed to be a stand-alone installement not to be followed up, then I feel it was pretty lack-luster.
 
now i was really anticipating AVP, and i loved it. i agree some, i would loved a war between them with trained preds instead on noob preds that dies from 1 alien. i knew on the commercial, where millions of aliens storm the pyramid, that it had to be a flash back, cause preds used the kamikazee bomb, where everything dies, and someone has to live, so i kinda figured. i agree humans died too fast. i wish the blond chick with the spikey hair woulda lived longer, she was hot. biggest problem.... Charles Bishop Weyland!?!
omg, he dies in the movie, an old geezer, so ho does his company flurish 100's of years in the future to become Weyland-Yutani? and somehow theres 1 droid modeled after him, that just happens to be on the marine ship on aliens 2. that really doesn't fit in AVP. other than that, i loved it. great special effects and such. also, kinda wished that squrrelly guy from Pearl harbor lived, he was funny.

and if there's not gonna be a sequel, i'm gonna scream, i need more! lol
 
Ok kids:

A friend told me that he heard that someone from the studio has announced that there will be a sequel to Alien Versus Predator. I understand that that is not a whole lot to go on, but it should help a little! That said: Master Cartman, I have read your recent post, and would like to comment on your Weyland problem: Charles Bishop Weyland (old Geezer? The actor playing him is only 64!) is the head of a company: Weyland Enterprises, or whatever the company named for him is called. Now if we think about it, a company named for someone is usually a family-run business, and I'll be damned if someone as egotistical and self centered (redundant) as Weyland is not going to reproduce! So we can assume that he has children. We do not need to assume that the Weyland of the Alien film series HAS to be based entirely on one character who died in 2004. There could have been dozens of Weylands, all carrying the torch of history in CB Weyland's dream.
Now.. That said, we can also assume that if these progeny of Charles Bishop Weyland do hold him in such high regard (and how many children don't idolize their fathers) would, upon creating Artificial Intelligence, make such an android in an image befitting of such a grand dream. Weyland's children would miss their father terribly, and therefore create the Bishop line of Androids. not to replace CB Weyland, but to honor him.

I hope this makes some sense
 
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