Am I the only one sickened by this?

[Celsus]

Don't have a clue. But how can you tell that it's a fake?

 

[MaxSpeer]

Don't have a clue. But how can you tell that it's a fake?

Being tickled by family is a world of difference than being tickled by a couple of shady video producers capturing a poor, innocent callgril and tying her up for their tickling pleasure.

I know this video very well. It's all in good fun. Believe me, the victim stays pretty.

Not telling you not to buy it. It's a fun video. But don't lose sleep over the authenticity of what it claims.

"Beer Bad!" - Buffy the VPS

Max

 

[ghostcynic]

the clip is from footparadise. the model was paid by them. it is NOT noncensensual. hope that helps and ends this thread.

 

[tkl-pen]

I know the clip in question - and I am probably the foremost fan of nonconsensual tickle torture with full restraints - but I didn't like this clip - it looks to me like she is not willing to have it done at all - she swears like a sailor even as only her sides and belly get tickled - compare that to something like Dungeon Maidens with far more intense tickle torture and women who endure it as part of the production

 

[AquaFeline]

I don't have the appropriate codec to see it.

 

[Celsus]

It appears that we're not going to be able to come to a conclusion as to whether or not this particular clip is truly non-consensual or not. It's a matter of people's word now.

But, generally speaking here, no longer talking about this particular clip, is there a rule that prohibits the posting of truly non consensual clips? If there isn't, I think there should be.

and before you pull the "if you don't like it, don't download it" thing, this forum does has a system of values, so lines do indeed have to be drawn.

 

[AquaFeline]

Well, I guess I don't know whether it's "really" nonconsensual or not, but it does make me cringe. Not pleasant.

 

[Double T]

I might have be sickened by this clip, if it wasn't blatenly obvious that it's scripted. Don't worry about it. While there's no swearing, Tickling Paradise sells so called "Non con" videos, that are just as clearly scripted, and those models beg some unseen camera operator for help. Don't sweat it.

 

[ghostcynic]

DT, dont forget the other non con video they made...of the supposed asian girl acting as a realtor..and being put in the chair/stocks and tickled...if you look at longer versions of it, the editing is so bad you can easily tell its scripted and not nonconsensual.

 

[Celsus]

Yes well, this unseen camera operator spoke back.

I think I might just contact FP and ask them. No harm in doing so. Anyway, this particular clip aside, does nobody agree that non-consensual clips should be banned?

 

[lite]

Yes well, this unseen camera operator spoke back.

I think I might just contact FP and ask them. No harm in doing so. Anyway, this particular clip aside, does nobody agree that non-consensual clips should be banned?

If there are clips available that are actually nonconsensual, then that tells me that a market exists for such clips.

Having said that, I wouldn't want to see actual nonconsensual tickling, but that's a personal preference. My suggestion would be to avoid the types of clips you dislike, and make your feelings known to the producers of the clips that you find offensive. That probably won't stop people from producing them, but you will at least have the satisfaction of voicing your opinion.

🙂

 

[ghostcynic]

Yes well, this unseen camera operator spoke back.

I think I might just contact FP and ask them. No harm in doing so. Anyway, this particular clip aside, does nobody agree that non-consensual clips should be banned?

the unseen camera operator was gabrielle, who was running FP at the time.

 

[The_rocking]

If you see the whole video you can watch a statement at the end of the video where the tickler says that the chick was not harmed in any way, and keep enjoying the first non-consensual tickle video.

I have watched the video tons of time, I follow all the sequence and didn't find any previous script, I believe it is really a non consensual tickling video, she cries, she begs, you can see the fear is her face...If she is acting the she deserves an academy award.

I don't know, if you find this video uncomfortable you better stop watching it, I agreed with you in child abuse, I always check every video I post and always check my material if I have child related abuse, I always found nothing, that kind of footage should be prohibited and reported to the respectively authorities. It could a paradigm, because what you found disturbing maybe for some people don't, we see ticking in a diferent way other people do, tickling and sex is very common in people like us, I post a clip in which Bill Cosby tickles a child on the belly, or this cartoon where two kids were tied to a tree and tickled tortured, amazing! that cartoon is for kids, walt disney includes tickling in lots of cartoon they produce also...

If the community agreed that the clip is disturbing I can removed and never post any non consensual tickle again...Because of the polemic issues the video is still a best seller.

 

[TickledToDeath]

Are you friggin Kidding me?

If you actually fell for that as being a genuing NON Con situation and NOT acting.......perhaps you would be interested in the purchase of the Lincoln Tunnel and a couple of NY Bridges!
I had the video. Saw the entire thing and ended up giving it away a few years ago.
A nice try by Paradise but acting nonetheless. You can relax now, take a swig of Pepto and a tab or two of Alka Seltzer and calm your sickend stomach.🙄 😉

TTD

 

[theshire]

If you actually fell for that as being a genuing NON Con situation and NOT acting.......perhaps you would be interested in the purchase of the Lincoln Tunnel and a couple of NY Bridges!

I don't see how you can say that when you have no proof. Having watched the vid, I can see the argument that it may be acting, but there is nothing that proves it. You don't know how people react to situations like that. I've seen one of my friends react fearfully when he saw a large spider, and it looked so much like acting! It was almost a delayed reaction! But that doesn't make his fear of spiders fake. I know he is arachnophobic, because I myself am, and his reactions are genuine, even though the way he did it looked 'fake'.

*Rant mode disengaged*

 

[The Sean Man]

Again...be informed before you start jumping to conclusions.

The Sean Man

 

[Celsus]

This particular clip is no longer the issue, since none of us know for certain it's authenticity. So let's move on to the big picture.

I'm aware that I won't get video producers to stop making those clips, but we can stop advertising them and sharing them in our forum.

Saying that it's alright, because some people like them and some people don't is a terrible argument. Would you say that rape is alright, because some people like it and some people don't? Obviously, I don't consider this in the same league as rape so don't go and jump on me for that, but the principle is the same. If we decide that non consensual tickling is wrong (as has been said many times in previous threads) then we ban it. Not leave it there, because somebody else might enjoy it.

 

[The Sean Man]

Wow, what a point you make. We don't know whether it's real or fake, so let's just go ahead and clear it off the TMF completely. Then maybe your 'expert' eye can go through all the other sections here and find other offensive things that we can ban.

The Sean Man

 

[TickledToDeath]

Example, a Question and a point.

Non Con scenarios are a fantasy. A vid company comes along and produces a production OF aforementioned fantasy making it as real and as believable as humanly possible. Is that wrong?


Watch the entire video and listen to everything and watch closely especially the interplay with the camera person and the people taking part IN the vid. Then pass final judgement accurately HOWever, if all you had to go on was the clip itself and aparantly that is the case my friend, I can see your point and how you were affected by it after watching JUST that clip.
The point YOU also make about NON consensual tickling to THAT extent, is valid and should/could be considered torture BUT to ban all NON consensual clips and videos would not be right since it has to be believed that the vids are NOT what they appear to be or the producers would be in jail, one would think. IF that were an actual non con vid, one would also have to think that the gal in question would in NO way sign the release for publication and sale of said video.
There is no way for anyone to tell if what is advertised IS what is advertised and a blanket ban would be wrong to those who are just acting and if the acting is good and it should be if that is what the paying pulic wants, then it will appear to be what is advertised.
Hard core S&M is offensive to me but should all hard core S&M material be banned just because I and others don't care for it? To each his/her own. I did not care at all for that video. I thought it sucked for the most part for many reasons. That is me. There were/are some who actually did like it. Again, to each his/her own.
There will be things that will offend someone all the time but a blanket ban of material that is "questionable" at best would not be prudent unless the truth is known and then again, the producers could also lie! One would have to go right to the source and ask the "victim" or ticklee(actress/model)who stared in the vid but then again she could be sworn to secrecy too.........a vicious circle isn't it?

TTD

 

[Celsus]

TTD -

the fantasy of non consensual is completely acceptable by me. I have no problems whatsoever with clips that are a non consensual scenario or fantasy. I'm speaking only about clips that are non consensual. And although you make a good point saying the women would sure as hell not sign release papers, it is still a possibility. Maybe the women didn't know a thing about the intent to produce it as a video? Maybe they were too distressed to take it to the courts?

I know it's unlikely, but even if there are no such clips that we know of, best to decide now (in my opinion) than wait for it to happen. If we know it's wrong, why wait to see it before condemning it? That would be like founding a country, and not making murder a crime until the first murder. Again, I know, completely extreme comparison, but the point is the same.



Sean Man -

You misunderstood me. I said this clip is no longer the issue, meaning I'm not angling for the removal of that clip. I'm speaking big picture now, like I said.

 

[TickledToDeath]

Celsus

Ok......but how would one differenciate what is truly an non con scene caught on tape and what is an act and who would make this decision? Short of a disclaimer from the producers that what is about to be seen is a "fantasy" scenario and the actors portraying a part for the entertainment and enjoyment of the viewer..." one can never tell. To blanket ban all non con clips would be tying the hands(so to speak and pun intended)of the producers not allowing them to advertise their productions and show clips of their releases and would it be acceptable for them to put disclaimers on their videos? Perhaps yes but if done so, would it ruin it for the viewers?
IF the tickling is real and the victims or ticklees genuinly ticklish, in my opinion, it would NOT ruin the video.
For instance, in another of FPs' productions, a "GENIE" is being tickled......now, even without a disclaimer, we KNOW that the gal is NOT a GENIE.
Even in real movies....a person is murdered.....we KNOW the person is not murdered and the actors are NOT truly the people they play the part of......does that ruin the movie? Of course not.
So, ergo, perhaps disclaimers are needed in some cases of a more extreme video scenario. That is NOT my decision but food for thought.

TTD😎 😀 😉

 

[Oddjob0226]

So, now that you know which clip I'm referring to, do you know whether or not it's acting?

If this clip is the Foot Paradise clip from "Non Consent #1" this is a subject I tackled about a year or so ago, point by point, here on this forum (can't remember the thread title, so maybe a search will bring it up). From my experience both as a tickler who has paid to tickle someone and as someone who works in video production, this clip appears to feature someone who agreed to be tickled beyond her limits. In other words, she consented to take the tickling beyond her control, beyond there comfort zone, for pay. The reactions appear to be 100% real, but in no way do I think any trickery occured on the part of the producers. I think the model consented to give up consent. It can be ugly to look at since it is intense, but "edge play" and pushing limits occurs in all aspects of BDSM, from spanking, sensory deprivation, water play and everything else, including tickling. MOST people don't take it that far in real life, but there are those that do, without pushing it into criminal behavior.

 

[Celsus]

TTD, I agree. Diclaimers are a good idea. I think making the scene safer, even if only by a minute, tiny bit, is worth subtracting slightly from the illusion that it's a girl truly being tortured.


Oddjob,
Thank you for clarifying.

 

[Mimi]

Boy, even as a moderator, I'm not sure how to answer this. The problem we run into I guess would be that we have no way of knowing whether a video is truly NC, or just scripted that way. NC is a strong market, at least in terms of fantasy. Many, if not most of us fantasize about NC. But having said that, most of us who do fantasize about NC would be totally put off and sickened if we were to discover a video or scenario was legitimately NC. It's good for FANTASY, but not real life play. To tickle someone without consent for any period of time, and especially where bondage is involved is abuse and assault. It would be no different then tying someone up and burning them with cigarettes. Granted, tickling leaves no scars, but emotionally and physically it is every bit as traumatic and unbearable.

I imagine if we had PROOF that a video or clip was truly NC, we would not allow it to be posted or linked to this forum. True NC would be illegal. But as in the case of the clip in question, no one can be sure if it is truly NC or not. There are several videos on the market that carry a NC title or description, but they are still scripted, and permission has been granted from the models. Hopefully that was the case with this one.

Mimi

P.S. I just wanted to comment quick on the real NC would not produce laughter topic. I have a friend to whom being foot tickled is equivelant to being punched in the stomach repeatedly. In fact, she would rather be punched in the stomach than have her feet tickled, she hates it so much. I have seen two of her boyfriends pin her and tickle her feet at lengths of a few moments, and in both cases she continues to laugh during the torment, but after about 30 seconds she is also crying and begging frantically and fearfully for them to stop. As much as she hates it, and as pissed off and frightened as she is, she continues to laugh. She has no control over it. And unfortunately, her boyfriends mistake the laughter for enjoyment and keep it up. In both cases, I had to physically peel the guys off of her before she fainted. Never mistake laughter with enjoyment.

 

[Maria_Rose]

I hope I'm wrong

Amen Mimi..I laugh harder the more I try to avoid being ticklish. I can't control it either, and I know others who are the very same way..more that are than are not. A lot of people unfortunately hate being tickled, but almost everyone laughs unless they either are not sensitive enough, or it's so intense that they can only scream. I personally only saw the two non-con FP clips, not the entire vids, but I seen the blood on the girls face from biting the 'lers hand (that was the first clip I believe). Sure, they could have put fake blood there, but it really wasn't emphasized and you had to look closely to see it. If it had been fake, you'd think they would show it up close, or make more of it than a tiny smudge. Thinking of it as scripted makes me sleep better at night, but in my gut I don't for one second believe that the girl was happy in her predicament. Sure she gets paid after so she won't run and tell the cops, by accepting the cash she ruined any chance she had of holding them liable. She'd be arrested for selling her body, right? (if she wasn't laughed out of court for telling her story). I am not a person who is easily fooled, I hope this was an exception. I really really wish I could talk to that girl