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America brutalizes Talibs at Guantanamo - yeah, sure!

Strelnikov

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Oh, the horror!

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The Guantanamo Thirteen: Packing on the pounds at America's toughest prison.
By Manny Howard
SLATE: Posted Thursday, May 29, 2003, at 11:52 AM PT


Is America the only country in the world that could run a prison camp where prisoners gain weight? Between April 2002 and March 2003, the Joint Task Force returned to Afghanistan 19 of the approximately 664 men (from 42 countries) who have been held in the detention camps at the U.S. Naval Base in Guantanamo Bay. Upon leaving, it has been reported, each man received two parting gifts: a brand new copy of the Koran as well as a new pair of jeans. Not the act of generosity that it might first appear, the jeans, at least, turned out to be a necessity. During their 14-month stay, the detainees (nearly all of them) had each gained an average of 13 pounds.

In America, where 13 pounds is what many of our citizens' chins weigh, the prisoners' slightly enlarged girth might seem negligible. But given the low-bit-resolution video footage we have seen of stooped and shackled men in orange jumpsuits, and the collective protests from international human rights groups, the revelation that the men detained from last year's war would leave the Guantanamo prison camps sporting a larger pair of trousers than the ones they showed up with comes as something of a surprise. So I called one of the prison camps at Guantanamo (also known at GTMO, pronounced GIT-mo) to inquire, and was put in touch with Chief Warrant Officer (CW4) James Kluck. (The official voice of GTMO was clearly quite happy to tell the story of weight gain among the detainees-it's evidence, perhaps, that the prisoners' treatment can't have been so bad if they managed to put on a few pounds.) CW4 Kluck, 55, a reservist, is in charge of feeding the detainees as well as the 1,780 soldiers at GTMO, and he arrived there perversely well-prepared for his work. In civilian life he ran the food and beverage program at the University of Michigan.

Though Kluck calls his crew of 46 "cooks," none of the meals are actually cooked on the base, just reheated. The food is delivered on a barge by a subcontractor, Atlantic Coast Contracting, Inc., which doesn't cook it either. Atlantic ferries the food from Jacksonville, Fla., where it is bought from SYSCO, a heavy-hitting supplier to institutions like prisons and universities (including the University of Michigan). SYSCO does cook the food, and the meals are certified halal-adhering to Islamic law-at SYSCO's plant; that paperwork is later double-checked by GTMO's Muslim chaplain.

Kluck's cooks only have what he calls "visual contact" with the medium-security detainees, who live communally in four barracks and are served in groups of as many as 10. They merely plate the food and the Military Police serve it. The cooks don't have any contact at all with the high-security-risk detainees. These men are fed alone in their cells and the food - two hot meals a day, at breakfast and dinner, rather than the three given to the other prisoners - is delivered by a pair of MPs. Lunch on the high-security wing is a soldier's combat ration, otherwise known as MRE (Meals-Ready-to-Eat). Kluck's crew unwraps the rations, removing the plastic wrap from the multigrain fruit bars, as well as from the plastic sporks. "Apparently the prisoners can cause all kinds of damage, stuffing the wrappers into locks and that sort of mischief," says Kluck.

So what exactly does the reheated food consist of? The detainees eat a relatively spartan menu that revolves around Asian-accented stews of beef, chicken, and fish. And, Kluck insists, "The detainees eat the same food as the troops, except that the troops' menu is on a 5-week rotation, and the detainees' menu rotates every two weeks. The JTF (Joint Task Force) gets more variety." When Kluck says everybody eats the same food he means - not to put too fine a point on it - that everything the detainees eat is available at the buffet at the soldiers' canteen. The reverse is not true. Though the diets devised for both the JTF and the detainees were approved by GTMO's resident nutritionist, the JTF 5-week menu also includes institutional dining terrors like Chicken Cordon Bleu and Turkey a la King, never mind fried chicken. (It hardly seems surprising that the troops are also struggling with their weight.)

In addition to the stews and multigrain fruit bars, Kluck also serves both groups of detainees a host of legumes: black beans, lentils, kidney beans, and chickpeas. None of this food sounds overly fattening. The cooks do serve carbohydrates - mainly rice - at lunch and dinner, and the New York Times reported that detainees had developed "a fondness for bagels." (I ran the veracity of this reporting by Kluck, who replied: "Not that I can see. They don't seem to like bagels more than the pita bread, baguettes or sliced wheat bread we also serve.") Kluck says that medium-security detainees are provided "additional servings," if they request them, and he adds that an incentive program that encourages good behavior revolves around the dispensing of cakes and dates and other treats. But it's unlikely that carbohydrates by themselves (even the occasional heapin' helpin') can account for all the weight.

Human rights critics insist there's another explanation. "Life as a Talib conscript was probably hell," explains John Sifton, an attorney who works in Afghanistan for Human Rights Watch, an international human rights organization. "Those guys showed up (at GTMO) half-starved, some of them probably hadn't had a proper hot meal since the war began. It wouldn't be hard to put on weight."

Lisa Dorfman, a nutritionist who has counseled inmates in federal prisons in and around Dade County, Fla., says that in prison, food isn't just about calories; it takes on a special significance. "When you are incarcerated, food becomes one of the few sources of social pleasure available to you. Meals are an opportunity to communicate with other people. Not insignificantly, it also becomes an outlet, like sex," she says.

Dorfman explains that overeating, hoarding, and what she calls Night Eating Syndrome are a real problem and a significant cause of dramatic weight gain among prisoners she has counseled. "We found that most inmates gain an enormous amount of weight when they first arrive in an institution. They tend to be depressed, lonely, and stressed out and alienated from loved ones," says Dorfman. "It's kind of like being in college your first semester."

I ask CW4 Kluck if, based on his professional experience in civilian life at the University of Michigan, he had expected the detainees to gain weight immediately after their arrival at GTMO. He laughs at first, "Oh, yes: the Freshman Fifteen," but then resumes his strictly business manner. "I'm not sure whether there were any expectations with these guys."
 
WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! And people say we are cruel to all our enemies. Just goes to show that SOME countries still follow the Geneva Convention. Thanks for the article, Strelnikov!
 
I don't know if its the fact that we have treated them so nicely but I am sure they are getting more to eat then they would have ever under the Taliban, I quite doubt under their past conditions they had 3 decent meals a day.
 
well...bushes version of the convention at least.....AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL
PRESS RELEASE


AI Index: AMR 51/078/2003 (Public)
News Service No: 130
29 May 2003


USA: The Guantánamo scandal continues
By dismissing Amnesty International's concerns about the hundreds of detainees held in the US Naval Base in Guantánamo Bay as "without merit", the White House is at the same time rejecting much wider international disquiet, Amnesty International said today.

"Since the transfers to Guantánamo began 17 months ago, numerous international, regional and national bodies, including governments and courts, have expressed deep concern about the situation of the detainees," Amnesty International said.

"Is that opinion all without merit?"

The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, the UN Working Group on Arbitrary Detention, the UN Special Rapporteur on the independence of judges and lawyers, the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights, and the European Parliament, are among those who have voiced concern and called for remedies. The High Court in the United Kingdom has referred to the Guantánamo situation as "objectionable" and in "apparent contravention of fundamental principles recognized by international law". This month a US federal judge described the plight of the detainees as "deeply troubling" and "not consistent with some of the most basic values our legal system has long embodied".

"In March, Secretary of State Colin Powell said that states which show a high degree of respect for human rights are the most likely to contribute to international security," Amnesty International said.

"The administration should apply that sentiment to end the legal limbo of the Guantánamo detainees".

In a letter sent last month to Secretary of Defence Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Powell reportedly cited complaints from eight allied countries whose nationals are among the more than 650 Camp Delta detainees currently held without access to lawyers, relatives or the courts. Secretary Powell reportedly said that the situation of the detainees threatened to undermine international cooperation in the US-led "war on terror".

"We have repeatedly said that the US is violating international law and standards on this issue, including the principle that detainees should be able to challenge the lawfulness of their detention," Amnesty International said.

"We repeat our call for full and immediate remedies in the interest of justice and the rule of law".

Responding to Amnesty International's concern on Guantánamo in its annual report, White House spokesperson Ari Fleischer said yesterday: "I just dismiss that as without merit".

Continuing the pattern of official contempt for the presumption of innocence, Mr Fleisher referred to the uncharged, untried, unrepresented Guantánamo detainees as "terrorists" and "very dangerous people". Senior members of the executive, including President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld, have made such public comments since the arrival of the first detainees in the Naval Base. Last month, following the revelation that children as young as 13 were among the detainees, a senior Pentagon spokesman said that "despite their age, these are very, very dangerous people" on a "terrorist team".

Also yesterday, the military revealed that there had been two more suicide attempts among the detainees over the past 10 days, bringing to around 27 the number of such instances.

This followed reports at the weekend of possible US plans for an execution chamber at the Guantánamo facility. While shocking, this would fit with the administration's proposal to try selected foreign nationals in front of executive military commissions with the power to hand down death sentences. Convicted prisoners would have no right of appeal to any court. No one has yet been named by President Bush to appear before the military commissions, but preparations for such trials continue and officials are being recruited.

"Indefinite detention without charge or trial, confinement to tiny cells for up to 24 hours a day, shackling during the bare minimum of exercise time granted, the cruelty of keeping relatives wondering about the plight of their loved ones, repeated interrogations without access to legal counsel, and the prospect of executions after unfair trials without the right of appeal," Amnesty International continued.

"Is it any wonder that the international community is asking serious questions about the USA's commitment to human rights?"

Amnesty International is awaiting a reply to its repeated requests for access to Guantánamo Bay. In a letter received from the Pentagon last month, the organization was denied access to the US Air Base in Bagram, Afghanistan. Disturbing allegations of ill-treatment of detainees have emerged from the interrogation section of the Bagram facility. Last week Amnesty International renewed its call for an impartial inquiry into the treatment of detainees in Bagram and for the results of the investigation into the deaths of two Afghan men in the base in December 2002 to be made public.



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Interesting. You begin to wonder why they aren't let in. While it could just be a security issue, it is possible that it is something more.....
 
You know I'm begining to agree with Nuetron on the cut and paste thing.
 
hey icky,forget the worlds problems...agreeing with tron...now that is worrying!!lol.:wow: 😉
 
Strelnikov said:
Oh, the horror!
"During their 14-month stay, the detainees (nearly all of them) had each gained an average of 13 pounds.
WHAT?!! Apart from the other cruelties, you've put them to a hamburger torture? Execrable!!! I hope they got something decent as well, like Freedom Fries...

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Re: Re: America brutalizes Talibs at Guantanamo - yeah, sure!

Haltickling said:
I hope they got something decent as well, like Freedom Fries...

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I STILL don't get why they wasted time doing that. Idiots. Or is it that we Americans are sooo dim that we feel all patriotic if change the name of food. Or are we just insulting the French? That must be it, seeing as it is rather popular in Europe as well.😀
 
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