Any American Idol Fans!

[jugner]

"I personally think that Vonzell should've won, but I know that wasn't going to happen for reasons too obvious to explain."

Kis, maybe I should know, but I don't, what were the reasons?

 

[Prime]

personaly i think bo should have won between the 2. His last few preformances were stronger than carries. Well accept that first song disaster he sang on the second to last show. Carrie had the better voice though. Maybe the best they have had yet. Bo just had a better presence. Truth be told i really liked Nadia though. She sang well and with alot of energy. She had a couple of my favorite preformances. Unfortunately she was a victim of bad song choice toward the end of her time.

 

[TickledToDeath]

When Bo went acapella.........that was it. THAT alone should have won it all for him!
Sometimes America has a big lapse of reason and a much too long visit into stupidity.

TTD

 

[kis123]

jugner,

Vonzell is a far better performer and entertainer than either Carrie or Bo. She was the most improved throughout the entire competition. She's not the best singer, but technology takes care of that. People pay to see the performance, not necessarily the music. Most of it is lip-synched anyway.

Now TTD, about those Clive Davis songs:

All of Bo's songs were extremely easy. That acapella song has no more than six notes. Oh, I thought he did a beautiful job, but it wasn't difficult to do vocally.

But they stick Carrie with "Crying" by Roy Orbison? Outside of KD Lang, no one has ever been able to duplicate that sound. And Carrie did not do a good job with it at all.

Bo may get stuck with the AI tag, but he's better off as the runner up. Rocker fans like their image and Bo has it-looks, hair (even though nasty looking) and he can sing and give an audience a great profermance. Plus, he generally seems like a nice guy. He'll sell lots of records and tickets. Without the 5-year AI contract, he can make his money any way he wants.

 

[ticklkitten]

I think they are both fantastic artists and performers! I was hoping for Bo just because he was something that the group hadn't seen this far in the series. But Carrie won't disappoint.

 

[morefeatherz]

jugner,

Vonzell is a far better performer and entertainer than either Carrie or Bo. She was the most improved throughout the entire competition. She's not the best singer, but technology takes care of that. People pay to see the performance, not necessarily the music. Most of it is lip-synched anyway.

You still never answered Jugner's question. What's the obvious reasons Vonzell didn't win? You've simply stated why she should win.

When I mentioned she cracked under pressure, I was refering mainly to the show where she was crying, told Paula she had a really bad day and her singing sounded like crap. To me that's cracking under pressure. I'm sure Bo and Carrie had bad days too, they just didn't bring them to the show

Or maybe she was simply trying to pull the sympathy strings to win votes like Scott was doing with his oh-boo-hoo my daddy never wanted me to sing and told me I would never be anybody crap. Did he want crackers with that whine?

Vonzell and Scott are gone and it's over with. Bo and Carrie were the two best there. They were the finalists. America said so. Get over it.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programs..

 

[TickledToDeath]

jugner,

Vonzell is a far better performer and entertainer than either Carrie or Bo. She was the most improved throughout the entire competition. She's not the best singer, but technology takes care of that. People pay to see the performance, not necessarily the music. Most of it is lip-synched anyway.

Now TTD, about those Clive Davis songs:


But they stick Carrie with "Crying" by Roy Orbison? Outside of KD Lang, no one has ever been able to duplicate that sound. And Carrie did not do a good job with it at all.

Bo may get stuck with the AI tag, but he's better off as the runner up. Rocker fans like their image and Bo has it-looks, hair (even though nasty looking) and he can sing and give an audience a great profermance. Plus, he generally seems like a nice guy. He'll sell lots of records and tickets. Without the 5-year AI contract, he can make his money any way he wants.

Good point raised about BO and the AI tag. He is not a POP star and probably shouldn't be. He is a rocker. That is his thing and should be nothing else but a rock star. This year I thought AI was growing up by having rockers and it was looking good there for a while until the end where it was shown that they are still tinny bopper pop. Bo and Constintine gave them maturity there for a spell but alas they resorted back to kiddy pop. Bo will get a contract and will do well without a pop contract. He got exposure to a massave audicnce and that will do him far better than some light weight pop contract would have.
I agree about Carrie not doing Roy Orbison any justice with "Crying". I bet he was Crying in pain hearing it where ever his soul is.
Bo will eventually sell out large arenas while Carrie will have only the smaller venues.
As for Vonz. She will need all the technology in the world. That techno disco sound is a JOKE and ruined music as far as I am concerned. GOD I HATED the 70's sound! My ears and brain will never recover.

The AI version of the Brady bunch in the AI tour makes my ears bleed and forms blood clots in my brain! Bo and Constintine are so out of their element with them.

TTD

 

[kis123]

You still never answered Jugner's question. What's the obvious reasons Vonzell didn't win? You've simply stated why she should win.

When I mentioned she cracked under pressure, I was refering mainly to the show where she was crying, told Paula she had a really bad day and her singing sounded like crap. To me that's cracking under pressure. I'm sure Bo and Carrie had bad days too, they just didn't bring them to the show

Or maybe she was simply trying to pull the sympathy strings to win votes like Scott was doing with his oh-boo-hoo my daddy never wanted me to sing and told me I would never be anybody crap. Did he want crackers with that whine?

Vonzell and Scott are gone and it's over with. Bo and Carrie were the two best there. They were the finalists. America said so. Get over it.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programs..

No reason to get so testy. You're entitled to your opinions as I mine. My personal opinion is just because "America" made a choice, doesn't mean they made the right ones.

If you go solely on performance, entertainment, and show sportmanship, I'd take Vonzell hands down! I never said she was the best singer-she is not! However, she's a great performer and it will show itself in the long run of her career. So what, she had a bad day and cried under pressure. Not everyone is able to handle 30 million fans every week. So she crumbled! She also dusted off her butt and gave great performances from that point until she was eliminated. But, it's okay if you only beat up on her for her mistakes and ignore the fact that she went from barely making the top 12 to the #3 finalist over Nadia, Anwar, and the rest that started off great out of the gate, but didn't even finish top 5!

Scott had a story, he NEVER used it to get sympathy points. The media did try to use it to embarass him over the criminal past. Funny how they merely glossed over Bo's two drug convictions in his past! I don't hear anyone mentioning that around here. America kept Scott in until top 5, not just me. Obviously there's quite a fan base for him across the country because top 5 is nothing to sneeze at.

As far as the top two are concerned, it's nothing to get over. At least the remaining ones who get contracts won't be stuck in AI's pop-junk crap for 5 years. I think Scott and Vonzell are the lucky ones whether America, you, or anyone else likes them or not. They'll get contracts that won't pimp them for 5 years.

And sweetheart, I'd get over "it" if I was in "it" in the first place. I'll cast my vote with my dollars and none of them will be in buying either of Carrie or Bo's records. They're good singers, but they're not my favorite genre. They won't miss my Best Buy 14.99 either. There will be plenty of people buying their music. It's all about preferences and I prefer someone else to spend my money on.

 

[kis123]

Good point raised about BO and the AI tag. He is not a POP star and probably shouldn't be. He is a rocker. That is his thing and should be nothing else but a rock star. This year I thought AI was growing up by having rockers and it was looking good there for a while until the end where it was shown that they are still tinny bopper pop. Bo and Constintine gave them maturity there for a spell but alas they resorted back to kiddy pop. Bo will get a contract and will do well without a pop contract. He got exposure to a massave audicnce and that will do him far better than some light weight pop contract would have.
I agree about Carrie not doing Roy Orbison any justice with "Crying". I bet he was Crying in pain hearing it where ever his soul is.
Bo will eventually sell out large arenas while Carrie will have only the smaller venues.
As for Vonz. She will need all the technology in the world. That techno disco sound is a JOKE and ruined music as far as I am concerned. GOD I HATED the 70's sound! My ears and brain will never recover.

The AI version of the Brady bunch in the AI tour makes my ears bleed and forms blood clots in my brain! Bo and Constintine are so out of their element with them.

TTD

Vonzell's not just singing techno! She did very well with her Whitney Houston renditions. She can sing both pop and R & B-that's what made Whitney a household word. Not very many people can sing Whitney's music (before drugs). But Vonzell has stage presence none of the top twelve had and knew how to work the audience. That goes a long way. Examples of this are Brittney Spears and Janet Jackson (yes, miss jackson). Neither of them can sing in my opinion. But they have great stage presence and can dance their tails off. If you don't believe me, really listen to their music and it will be plainly obvious that neither have voices. But they can perform and sell out crowds everywhere they go.

Vonzell can outsing them both without any technical assistance. Besides, even if she did nothing but disco techno, do you know the popularity of the genre? The old-school-players of the 70's are still out there selling out concerts and making more money than they ever have. She'd make millions if she did nothing else.

 

[morefeatherz]

Oh boo hoo, sniff sniff.. daddy told me I should never post on the TMF.. he said I would never make it that far.. boo hoo.. and furthermore I've had a really bad day! waa waaa..

will you please vote for me now?

Give me a break. She cracked under pressure and crumbled and Scott had more escapes than Houdini and that's the only reason he got as far as he did.

Kis, you still never stated the 'obvious' reasons Vonzell lost. Every contestant in the show is probably a criminal lol. They robbed us all of a hour of our lives each week watching them whine and cry for votes.

Call me paranoid, but it wouldn't surprise me if the show was rigged from the start. Once it gets down to the top 12 the producers already know the outcome. The phone in crap is just to pay sponsors and make the networks money. They throw in your "should have lost long ago" losers like Scott just to give validity to the call in scheme. It's all a big scam and yes I have been suckered like the rest of us.

As for the Best Buy $14.95, I could think a lot more useful purposes than over-rated crying, whining, over-marketed losers to spend it on.

But that's just me. And as you said, it's all a matter of preference.

 

[kis123]

Oh boo hoo, sniff sniff.. daddy told me I should never post on the TMF.. he said I would never make it that far.. boo hoo.. and furthermore I've had a really bad day! waa waaa..

will you please vote for me now?

Give me a break. She cracked under pressure and crumbled and Scott had more escapes than Houdini and that's the only reason he got as far as he did.

Kis, you still never stated the 'obvious' reasons Vonzell lost. Every contestant in the show is probably a criminal lol. They robbed us all of a hour of our lives each week watching them whine and cry for votes.

Call me paranoid, but it wouldn't surprise me if the show was rigged from the start. Once it gets down to the top 12 the producers already know the outcome. The phone in crap is just to pay sponsors and make the networks money. They throw in your "should have lost long ago" losers like Scott just to give validity to the call in scheme. It's all a big scam and yes I have been suckered like the rest of us.

As for the Best Buy $14.95, I could think a lot more useful purposes than over-rated crying, whining, over-marketed losers to spend it on.

But that's just me. And as you said, it's all a matter of preference.

I believe this has come to its comclusion. I've wasted far too much time on this already. It's a reality tv show for Pete's sake. Why even go here?

You may have a point-maybe AI is rigged! Even still, a lot of people have managed to launch careers otherwise not achievable.

I've lived on this earth substantially longer than you and I know a set up when I see it and that's why Vonzell had nowhere to go but third place. Carrie had absolutely no business getting past her. But I wonder just how it would've went with Vonzell going against Bo and him really needing to keep his anti-establishment rocker image in order to sell more records and tours? Carrie will sing pop with an occassional country hit here and there, but she'll definitely be conformed into another pop princess. How many people would tune in next season if Vonzell would've won?

In conclusion, there's something I'm curious about. I must ask you this since you're good at lpointing out the flaws of others-Do you think you could've done what those people achieved, both winners and losers? Or are you just a good armchair quarterback whose just really good at criticizing and belittling the efforts of others? Like I said before, all of them started out from 100,000 contestants down to twelve. I think that even though my choices didn't win, they're all winners for even making it through 30 million viewers a week for weeks on end! Think you could have done what they did? If so, I look forward to seeing you next season!

 

[jugner]

Kis, I'm not picking on you, I'm just trying to follow what your saying. I get that you're pick was Vonzell, but why wouldn't people watch if Vonzell had won?

I agree, she was the most improved by far. But saying she was the best performer, it's your opinion, but she never moved more than six feet from the mic stand, she could sing, but her performance skills need some improvement.

I'm not a fan of R&b, just never cared for it, so I won't buy a Vonzell record anyway. I've even never liked Whitney Houston. I'm a country fan, but never been a big fan of female country singers, just the way country music is, the way a lot of country songs are, they sing about lost love, I relate more to men snging about women, then womena about men, so I won't get anything by Carrie probably. I do have a couple of Lynard Skynard CD's, and I think Bo will sing like that type of music (Southern Rock), so I'll buy that.

 

[morefeatherz]

First off, I totally agree that I've wasted far too much time on this. I just want to add that:

(1) Kis, unless you've been shaking your magic eight ball again, you have no idea of my age so you are not qualified to tell me you are 'substantially older than I am'.

(2) When you put yourself in front of 30 million people and state you want to be a star and all that goes with it, you are going to be judged, criticized, slammed and hammered by far more than just me. If you want to break down and cry and can't deal with a 'bad day' you don't need to be there. Celebrities are photographed, quoted and hounded 24/7, which is a far cry from one hour a week.

(3) I am judged everyday at work, home, and by the standards I set for my family and do just fine. I have no desire to be a star and try to do something I can't handle in front of 30 million people. However, as a viewer I am more than entitled to my opinion be it good or bad. That's why it's called "American Idol". It's 'America's' opinions and phone calls that decide the winner. Why? Because the constestants ASKED to be judged and given an opinion about their abilities.

Being an 'armchair quarterback' is the entire point of the show. That's what all those phone calls are supposedly about. But if you don't get that it's time to move to another show.

 

[kis123]

First off, I totally agree that I've wasted far too much time on this. I just want to add that:

(1) Kis, unless you've been shaking your magic eight ball again, you have no idea of my age so you are not qualified to tell me you are 'substantially older than I am'.

(2) When you put yourself in front of 30 million people and state you want to be a star and all that goes with it, you are going to be judged, criticized, slammed and hammered by far more than just me. If you want to break down and cry and can't deal with a 'bad day' you don't need to be there. Celebrities are photographed, quoted and hounded 24/7, which is a far cry from one hour a week.

(3) I am judged everyday at work, home, and by the standards I set for my family and do just fine. I have no desire to be a star and try to do something I can't handle in front of 30 million people. However, as a viewer I am more than entitled to my opinion be it good or bad. That's why it's called "American Idol". It's 'America's' opinions and phone calls that decide the winner. Why? Because the constestants ASKED to be judged and given an opinion about their abilities.

Being an 'armchair quarterback' is the entire point of the show. That's what all those phone calls are supposedly about. But if you don't get that it's time to move to another show.

You're right-you've invested way too much into this. Your opinions are received, and I respectfully disagree with most of them. It's not going to take any skin off your nose and I certainly won't lose sleep over it either.

I don't know how old you are, but how a person handles themself in a conversation tells me a lot. I don't even have to know, it's really not that important to me.

Regardless of anyone's opinions (including my own), I give all of them credit for going as far as they went. Their lives will be changed forever because they took a step many would never choose.

As for me, this little banter has been somewhat entertaining, but there are more pressing matters on the earth to deal with. Time for me to move on.

 

[kis123]

Kis, I'm not picking on you, I'm just trying to follow what your saying. I get that you're pick was Vonzell, but why wouldn't people watch if Vonzell had won?

I agree, she was the most improved by far. But saying she was the best performer, it's your opinion, but she never moved more than six feet from the mic stand, she could sing, but her performance skills need some improvement.

I'm not a fan of R&b, just never cared for it, so I won't buy a Vonzell record anyway. I've even never liked Whitney Houston. I'm a country fan, but never been a big fan of female country singers, just the way country music is, the way a lot of country songs are, they sing about lost love, I relate more to men snging about women, then womena about men, so I won't get anything by Carrie probably. I do have a couple of Lynard Skynard CD's, and I think Bo will sing like that type of music (Southern Rock), so I'll buy that.

I really feel that I've said enough as to the Vonzell issue. I explained in the earlier post why I knew she'd never win. The painfully obvious doesn't require an explanation. There was no way she was going to win and someone made sure it wouldn't happen by getting her dropped at third place. I didn't agree with morefeatherz on much, but I do agree that the show is rigged for the outcomes that they want. How do we really know how America voted other than their word?

I'm not sure what you were watching for twelve weeks, but Vonzell moved all over the stage and into the audience. She just chose not to take the mic stand with her like Bo and Constantine. I never said she had the greatest voice of the competition. I personally like Nadia better, but her song selections were her demise. She'll get a great career out of this as well.

As far as stage presence, likeability, crowd-engaging ability is concerned, I believe Vonzell did the best. She never overplayed the crowd and she sang well (although not the best).

What's wrong with female country singers? I don't like country music at all, but love Dolly Parton, Tammy Wynette, Shania Twain (though her music really isn't that country to me). I guess we all have our preferences, right? 🙂

My opinions won't change the decision-Carrie won and great for her. I'm just glad Bo didn't win. He'll have a better career with someone else.

 

[morefeatherz]

You're right-you've invested way too much into this. Your opinions are received, and I respectfully disagree with most of them. It's not going to take any skin off your nose and I certainly won't lose sleep over it either.

I don't know how old you are, but how a person handles themself in a conversation tells me a lot. I don't even have to know, it's really not that important to me.

Regardless of anyone's opinions (including my own), I give all of them credit for going as far as they went. Their lives will be changed forever because they took a step many would never choose.

As for me, this little banter has been somewhat entertaining, but there are more pressing matters on the earth to deal with. Time for me to move on.

We do agree on another point Kis. The way a person handles themself in conversation says it all. I too have found this 'banter' fun and entertaining.

I still think I may be onto something with the show being 'rigged'. You are exactly right. How do we know those 'votes' are real? We take their word.

I totally give the gang credit too. It does take a lot to get in front of 30 million people and do that every week, knowing everything about you is being judged and disected. I know some of them if not most of them have sang at some time. My question has been how do they actually prepare for such a large audience? I mean at the beginning it's only three judges. Then, wham, it's literally thousands in the auditorium. How do they practice for that? I also like the way most of them change over the course of the season. Did you notice how Scott's looks changed? He looked so plain and dull at the beginning, but they did a good job with him. He was looking a lot more professional at the end. I'm glad he got to do "Broadway" with George Benson. But my fav was when Bo got to sing with Lynard Skynard. That was like a dream come true for him and he was probably thinking if it all ended right there, he was in heaven.

But now, onto next season. We get to see all the thousands of hopefuls that sound like traffic accidents trying to sing. But that's part of the fun.

And keep in mind. Being a good singer isn't necessarily a requirement for being a winner. William Hung can't sing a lick, but I read he was offered $10,000 a night to sing in Vegas. Kinda makes you wonder what the real point of all this is huh?