At what point does posting candid pictures on a fetish site become creepy?

[TJDoom]

Eh, nothing some coffee, donuts and a little wormhole traveling through space and time can't fix.

 

[Oddjob0226]

At the first one.

But I'm strong. I can handle it.

 

[daddy]

Edited: I just don't care anymore...it is what it is in this forum.

peace out,
daddy

 

[ArchNemesis]

Makes me want to leave...and I have been here since the beginning of the TK fetish.

I think you mean the beginning of this fetish being on the internet. I'm pretty sure people have had tickling fetishes since people have liked sex. It's just that the world wasn't ready to hear about it. Yeah....like the world loves hearing about it now...

 

[fireguardian]

If all you can see is feet, how do you know they're not attached to a child?

This right here! I have had this question going through my head the entire thread. There are so many teenagers now that look a few years older than they are. My own sister is one. She's not of legal age but you'd have a difficult time telling if you saw her at the mall. How do you know that hot girl with the sexy feet you just took a picture of (probably thinking she has to at least be in college) isn't a 16 year old high school junior. That's some murky water you are treading in. Post those pictures and you are looking at exploitation of a minor when it is posted here.

If I ever found out some one had been taking her picture and posting it here or any other fetish site there would be he'll to pay. And probably some legal fees. So if candid shots are your thing I'd just advice to really think before you take and post that picture of a girl you really hope is 18.

 

[Wolf]

What about the Canelli Renfaire pics and videos that are so popular (I know I love them)? Where do those fall on the creepy/not creepy spectrum?

 

[ArchNemesis]

This right here! I have had this question going through my head the entire thread. There are so many teenagers now that look a few years older than they are. My own sister is one. She's not of legal age but you'd have a difficult time telling if you saw her at the mall. How do you know that hot girl with the sexy feet you just took a picture of (probably thinking she has to at least be in college) isn't a 16 year old high school junior. That's some murky water you are treading in. Post those pictures and you are looking at exploitation of a minor when it is posted here.

If I ever found out some one had been taking her picture and posting it here or any other fetish site there would be he'll to pay. And probably some legal fees. So if candid shots are your thing I'd just advice to really think before you take and post that picture of a girl you really hope is 18.

As far as the exploitation of a child part, who's going to enforce it? It's a random pair of feet that could belong to anyone. The one who took the pictures might know, maybe, if she's of age, but nobody else even knows who she is. If it bothers someone's conscience that they might be looking at underage feet, but will never know for sure, they need to take a chill pill, as ALF would say.

 

[smokinj]

As far as the exploitation of a child part, who's going to enforce it? It's a random pair of feet that could belong to anyone. The one who took the pictures might know, maybe, if she's of age, but nobody else even knows who she is. If it bothers someone's conscience that they might be looking at underage feet, but will never know for sure, they need to take a chill pill, as ALF would say.

Exactly. No one knows, so there is no harm in it. That being said, I'm not advocating underage pics.

 

[Phineas]

What about the Canelli Renfaire pics and videos that are so popular (I know I love them)? Where do those fall on the creepy/not creepy spectrum?

Hm. Well, let's see.

Firstly, the whole stocks act was introduced to the Canelli renfaire by a fetishist who fed the organizers a line about it being "historically accurate", relying on their ignorance to approve it.

The act was filmed by said fetishist's accomplices, without the knowledge of the participants or the organizers, specifically for posting on fetish sites - the whole topic of this thread.

The clips were being sold, again, without any kind of modeling paperwork, compensation, or even knowledge of the sales by the subjects (what Sole Mates was talking about back on page four - legally murky depending on jurisdiction).

So, creepy on a grand scale. Not that you won't find people lining up to defend him here 'till the heat death of the universe, though.

Although, I find it somewhat telling that when the organizers caught wind of what he was doing, they kicked him out of the renfaire.

I have to say that I have been here from the beginning

So have I. Who gives a shit? That doesn't have any relevance to this discussion.

and by that I mean before anything of this kind ever surfaced (1998) and reared it's ugly head.

It kinda reminds me of the "revolution" going on in the geek community, actually. Geeks were free to be all creepy and awkward all by their lonesome until conventions an' what-not started getting all diverse and women dared to actually show up to them. And when they did, they got royally freaked out by the nerds and their shitty social skills. Since nerds are always complaining that girls don't like them, said girls tried to explain to the nerds just why they couldn't find anyone to spend more than five minutes around them. And now, you have the same thing here. Women are coming here to participate and getting freaked out by the creepery (witness about four women on this thread NOT agreeing with the fap snappers) and getting told "fuck you, you can't stop me!".

"Hey, why aren't there more women in the tickling community?"

All I have to say is this: If someone took my picture and used it for ANY purpose...I would be FLATTERED ;-) Whether it be my feet, head, hands, legs, etc...by god. Why would I give a shit? Why would it be Creepy?

I never thought I'd say this, but... check your privilege. You're a man. The odds of anyone harassing, stalking, or trying to kill you simply because they think you're pretty are ridiculously low. Women, on the other hand... totally different story. Ladies? Back me up on this one?

I cannot believe I am even in a fetish forum anymore...this is crap to me. We are ALL here in a fetish forum and there has to be those who try to separate the good from the evil....what a mission.!!!

Ah yes, the old saw about the fact that by very virtue of having a fetish, we must all be creepy anyway, so any and all expressions of said fetish are A-Okay. Well, it's not true. There are healthy ways to express your fetish. Hiding in the restroom with a video camera is NOT IT. That's why we make the news.

I am not going to do it, but if someone were to break down the mathematics to it all you would see that maybe 5% (if that) of the forum total were on the side of this being wrong.

By my observation in this thread alone, I see one guy vehemently defending his right to creep, a bunch of people against, and some folks on the fence. Besides, just because everyone in this community thinks it's okay doesn't make it okay. It just means this community is full of creepy people.

Obviously, you see the same names defending this over and over again!!!

Hey, what can I say? Some of us are just too stupid to realize that you can't talk a sociopath into giving a shit about others.

Add it up...the only people complaining are the same ones over and over again.

...and that makes it wrong, how? Tell you what; if a mod, any mod, tells me to shut up, I'll shut up.

(PS - Rhiannon is from Europe, and if you Google a bit you'll find that it's illegal in the UK to distribute ANYONE'S photo without a release, even if it's just their hands. Apparently, the law is similar in Germany - so in her case, the law agrees with her.)

I am not a bad guy but this is ridiculous.

"I don't like it, make it stop!"

Yeah, sorry if the truth is inconvenient to you.

Take a picture of my feet and post it...big freaking deal. Geez....how horrible. Makes me want to leave...and I have been here since the beginning of the TK fetish.

Again, who gives a shit how long you've been here? Leave if you want. One less fap snapper in this community is not a bad thing, IMHO.

Oh, and I'll just leave this right here. One of many articles on the topic.

http://jezebel.com/5921747/heres-a-new-totally-legal-reddit-hub-devoted-to-creep-shots

...and another;

http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2012/10/creep-shots-predditors-cat-calls/

But whether it’s legal or not is beside the point – at least for the purposes of discussing it here. The issue with creepshots and it’s copycat subreddits isn’t finding women attractive or wanting to ogle them; it’s the fetishization of the non-consensual aspect of the interaction and everything that says about the attitude displayed towards the erstwhile subjects. Complaints about the subreddit’s existence or demands that photos be taken down are met with jeers and whining. How dare the Internet Moral Police come and try to ruin everybody’s innocent fun! You were out in public, you can’t complain when we decide to appreciate your body. You should feel flattered!

The message of /r/creepshots and it’s imitators and replacements is simple: “our desire to make you a sexual object for our pleasure is greater than your right to not be harassed, photographed or otherwise forced to take part in our sex lives.”

The message is “you don’t have the right to refuse to gratify our needs if we want it badly enough.” You will be their sexual object because they said you will and you don’t have the right to control access to your person.

...and a guy who got arrested for this in Texas a few years back;

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/15422446

Hey, I just learned something cool; apparently there's such a thing as the "Video Voyeur Act" that's been kicking around since 2004. Creep lightly, gentlemen!

 

[Filthyweasel]

Phineas, if you've never been, come to a gathering. Ask Bella, one of the mods, she does the best one in November. You'd fit right in like a fucking glove. And that's where all the girls have gone too. They like to socialize, not sit behind a monitor.

So have I. Who gives a shit? That doesn't have any relevance to this discussion.

I've been around since the a.m.t. newsgroup. I can remember the original post by Psycho4048 asking how to make a forum for us all, because wanted to and had no clue how to. And lo the TMF was born. And yes, not relevant at all. Actually it kinda unnerves me that people have been around that long and still have no clue how to actually behave.

It kinda reminds me of the "revolution" going on in the geek community, actually. Geeks were free to be all creepy and awkward all by their lonesome until conventions an' what-not started getting all diverse and women dared to actually show up to them. And when they did, they got royally freaked out by the nerds and their shitty social skills. Since nerds are always complaining that girls don't like them, said girls tried to explain to the nerds just why they couldn't find anyone to spend more than five minutes around them. And now, you have the same thing here. Women are coming here to participate and getting freaked out by the creepery (witness about four women on this thread NOT agreeing with the fap snappers) and getting told "fuck you, you can't stop me!".

"Hey, why aren't there more women in the tickling community?"

This. So much this.

 

[Jagermeistered]

...and a guy who got arrested for this in Texas a few years back;

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/15422446

Hey, I just learned something cool; apparently there's such a thing as the "Video Voyeur Act" that's been kicking around since 2004. Creep lightly, gentlemen!

-Phineas

You are just creating a new black-market! Society does not progress from laws, but ideas that come into fruition(from parenting); in which the masses accept. Did prohibition squash alcoholism? Are there less potheads driven by the "War on Drugs?"

 

[TJDoom]

Phineas has an excellent point. There is a notion taken that because someone shares a fetish with someone else that suddenly it's the wild west and we're the James Gang! I won't front. I enjoy sharing a common interest as much as the next person, but the same rules of compatibility and chemistry apply to a place like this like they do anywhere else.

Obviously people will have different views, but you don't try to virtually strangle anyone because of the consequence. There are rules much like societal ones, but it's weird to imply that people only abide by them out of fear. There are those who are considerate and those who aren't. There are peaceful types and there are sociopaths. All the different walks of life exist here only you have the interweb in between. We need to be conscious of that.

The point being that not every fetishist is an upstanding citizen. It's a mad world. Maybe YOU don't mean any harm sharing candids, but CONSIDER a pedophile with a foot fetish who gets his rocks off sharing pics with unsuspecting folk. What if the feet looked mature enough? YOU didn't choose it, but by saying, "Hey, it's not that big a deal and more power to everyone," you're opening yourself up to masturbating to god knows what because candids are that important.

That doesn't make YOU a pedophile or "wrong", but it opens you up to unknowingly enjoying some screwed up stuff. I'm sure most people would be upset at being taken advantage of like that. Kinda like photographing without asking.

There was a guy in the last several years who pretended like he was a taxi driver. A girl got in and he drove to a hotel, tied her up and took pics of her feet. Later the cops went over his hard drive and found countless pictures taken in the same way as well as candids. Is it really worth the reward to risk all the real possibilities?

 

[Oddjob0226]

If all you can see is feet, how do you know they're not attached to a child?

Then, what's the problem? You might as well be looking at anatomy book, or a Omaha steaks catalog for that matter at that point.

How do we know it isn't guy's feet, or a women's feet? Two amputees standing really close together? Really good CG? A work under copyright (like many, MANY photos posted here already)? A minotaur, which would thrust us into accidental bestiality? An underage minotaur?

We're actually trying to be protective, even politically correct, over random, anonymous body parts?

Oh, and "creepy" is way too overused these days, hipsters. Find a new word. I vote for "spine-chilling".

 

[TJDoom]

Protective over the idea of respecting the bubble of another being. Is that prudish or hipster?

 

[smokinj]

Phineas has an excellent point. There is a notion taken that because someone shares a fetish with someone else that suddenly it's the wild west and we're the James Gang! I won't front. I enjoy sharing a common interest as much as the next person, but the same rules of compatibility and chemistry apply to a place like this like they do anywhere else.

Obviously people will have different views, but you don't try to virtually strangle anyone because of the consequence. There are rules much like societal ones, but it's weird to imply that people only abide by them out of fear. There are those who are considerate and those who aren't. There are peaceful types and there are sociopaths. All the different walks of life exist here only you have the interweb in between. We need to be conscious of that.

The point being that not every fetishist is an upstanding citizen. It's a mad world. Maybe YOU don't mean any harm sharing candids, but CONSIDER a pedophile with a foot fetish who gets his rocks off sharing pics with unsuspecting folk. What if the feet looked mature enough? YOU didn't choose it, but by saying, "Hey, it's not that big a deal and more power to everyone," you're opening yourself up to masturbating to god knows what because candids are that important.

If allowing all candids available opens up pandora's box then so be it.

Look, I respect people's opinions on this but I enjoy candid photos and video and I don't lose a wink of sleep at night thinking about who was unknowingly 'violated' without her knowledge. Like I've said before many times, if her face is not visible then who the hell cares??

If this makes me an evil or 'creepy' person in some people's eyes then so be it also. I'm not a bad guy. I just enjoy candid stuff. Period.

Anyone can masterbate to any innocuous picture, this is no different AND her identity is not known so even better.

Good night Irene on this subject.

P.S. Again, I am against EVER posting pics/video of underage girls.

 

[TJDoom]

While I row in the other direction, that was the kind of honest response I was looking for from the pro side. Accountability and not insisting that there are zero downsides.

 

[smokinj]

While I row in the other direction, that was the kind of honest response I was looking for from the pro side. Accountability and not insisting that there are zero downsides.

And I thank you for getting where I'm coming from. Of course there is a downside to this but I'm willing to live with it.

 

[Oddjob0226]

Protective over the idea of respecting the bubble of another being. Is that prudish or hipster?

Why did you edit your response?

Yes it is hipster to take a word and make it the cool, in-thing, making it feel right at home in any situation. It's like taking a multi-point argument and crating a simple, one-liner response for what on he surface might seem like a slam dunk. That's krunk, and not wicked cool at all.

It is indeed prudish to come up with all kinds of "what ifs" and expect people to seriously address them, when that's. to really the issue being adds send in the fist place. To make the issue seem worse than it is, we have to come up with newer, scarier scenarios that, in reality, don't cause anything particularly nefarious to happen?

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

What about the Canelli Renfaire pics and videos that are so popular (I know I love them)? Where do those fall on the creepy/not creepy spectrum?

All snark and derision aside, this right here is probably the most depressing question I've ever seen asked on a fetish forum.

Seriously Wolf, even though we're by no means on good terms with each other, I never pictured you as a guy who'd ask somebody else to set your moral compass. I know you and I have had words in the past, but I hate to see a guy just hand over the reigns to his code of ethics to somebody else. It's your call of course, but I know from our previous encounters that you're capable of deciding for yourself what constitutes creepy behavior.

The act was filmed by said fetishist's accomplices, without the knowledge of the participants or the organizers, specifically for posting on fetish sites

Yessir. Now there was a guy who did well by the community, hooking us up with some of the most famous and classic videos. Before the advent of the Moral Police, he was rightfully lauded and heralded as a great contributor. He still is, by those of us not willing to throw our brothers under the bus in hopes of impressing the ladies with this bogus show of "sensitivity."

So, creepy on a grand scale. Not that you won't find people lining up to defend him here 'till the heat death of the universe, though.

LOL. He doesn't need any defense whatsoever. He'll forever be remembered as a hero to the TK community in spite of your worn out smear campaign.

It kinda reminds me of the "revolution" going on in the geek community, actually. Geeks were free to be all creepy and awkward all by their lonesome until conventions an' what-not started getting all diverse and women dared to actually show up to them. And when they did, they got royally freaked out by the nerds and their shitty social skills. Since nerds are always complaining that girls don't like them, said girls tried to explain to the nerds just why they couldn't find anyone to spend more than five minutes around them.

This ought to eliminate any doubt whatsoever of the full-of-shit nature of the Morality Police's message. "Geeks were free to be all creepy?" What are you, in high school? For decades now, geeks have long debunked such ignorant stereotypes spread about them such as these blanket statements you're putting out. There's nothing wrong or creepy about being a geek. Geeks are cool.

And now, you have the same thing here. Women are coming here to participate and getting freaked out by the creepery (witness about four women on this thread NOT agreeing with the fap snappers) and getting told "fuck you, you can't stop me!".

Ah, but now they have a "champion!" Fear not, fair ladies! I, your would-be champion shall smite the opposition with my arsenal of conceit, self-importance, and judgemental moral platitudes!

"Hey, why aren't there more women in the tickling community?"

Well gee, Phineas, I'm sure you'd like us to believe it's because "this community is full of creepy people." After all, this certainly isn't the first time you've smeared the entire community this way. But to the contrary, I'd say it's partially due to newer and more modern social media available coupled with the fact that the TMF can't go two months without the Morality Police coming down on some random behavior they haven't authorized.

Throughout high school, college, the military, and my decades in Corporate America, I've seen a lot of guys try to impress women. And I've noticed that all the various methods and schemes boil down to two basic strategies. The first is to elevate yourself by emphasizing your own best qualities, talents, and skills. An artist will impress her with his art. A musician will impress her with his songs. A writer will impress her with his poetry, and even a guy without those skills will seek to win her over with his wit, charm, and personality. This is the strategy chosen by guys that while not conceited about, have a reasonable confidence in themselves and a measure of character.

The second strategy guys do to impress woman is to elevate yourself by putting other guys down. Some guys target other guys specifically. Hey Julie. I thought I'd just tell you...you know...as a "friend"....that Steve doesn't really care about you. He just wants to get in your pants. I just want you to know that I think that's sooo wrong! Yeah, right. And then other guys will resort to group labeling. Haha, hey who'd want to hang out with them anyway? Their just a bunch of geeks and nerds! There's a phrase that crudely but very accurately sums up this second strategy. We call it cock blocking. This is the strategy chosen by guys who are insecure, envious, and jealous of other guys' success.

Here are some prime examples of that second strategy at work here in this thread.

But, naturally, women are just a means to an end to the kind of people who would sneak around with a video camera

They got tired of interacting with socially stunted fuckwads

So, one time this one guy decided it was okay to take off all his clothes and wander around in his underwear all night.

Actually it kinda unnerves me that people have been around that long and still have no clue how to actually behave.

It just means this community is full of creepy people.

And that's really what this is all about. A cock blocking power play to eliminate the competition from other potential ticklers of women by putting them down, labeling them as creeps or "socially stunted fucktards." And of course along with these put-downs and sophomoric labels comes the unsaid message, "I'm certainly glad I'M not like them. You ladies would do far better with a sensitive, understanding guy like me.

It is absolutely the most pathetic display of social desperation I've ever witnessed.

 

[TJDoom]

I edited my response because that's a feature. I edited my response because I could get to the core of what I wanted to say. Wanting to be clear and concise is unacceptable? Sometimes you spell something wrong like you did. Sometimes you misunderstand something. You don't see me chiding anyone for editing.

It's prudish to ask questions and use hypotheticals? They're scary cause they're real things. Unlike Minotaurs.

 

[LargerWorld2577]

And that's really what this is all about. A cock blocking power play to eliminate the competition from other potential ticklers of women by putting them down, labeling them as creeps or "socially stunted fucktards." And of course along with these put-downs and sophomoric labels comes the unsaid message, "I'm certainly glad I'M not like them. You ladies would do far better with a sensitive, understanding guy like me.

It is absolutely the most pathetic display of social desperation I've ever witnessed.

Like DontAskJusTckle would be any more preferable? He thinks it’s okay to just put his hands on some random woman on the subway even if she might not like it, and if she happens to be creeped out by it, she is a “mentally disturbed whacko” and should she defend herself, a “violent psychopath”. His own words. It’s people with this kind of mindset to whom Phineas is referring as creeps or socially stunted.

 

[Filthyweasel]

Oh and by the way, unless this thread descends into utter Gomorrah or the rest of the mods are more strict, it's staying put. I've spoken with 3 of the mods asking if the thread was ok or needed to be locked, and the general consensus is that it's lively, which is something the TMF apparently hasn't had in quite a while. Sorry to the dude from the dawn of fetish-time who threatened to leave, I'd like to made you feel better and say at least half a fuck was given, but no bananas. So I'm gonna sit back with some popcorn and watch this unassuming little thread continue to make creepers oust themselves with little to no help.

Now watch the thread wither and die when they realize this...it'd be just my luck. Peace!

 

[Speedbump]

And that's really what this is all about. A cock blocking power play to eliminate the competition from other potential ticklers of women by putting them down, labeling them as creeps or "socially stunted fucktards." And of course along with these put-downs and sophomoric labels comes the unsaid message, "I'm certainly glad I'M not like them. You ladies would do far better with a sensitive, understanding guy like me.

It is absolutely the most pathetic display of social desperation I've ever witnessed.

I don't generally agree with a lot of what you say, but this is pretty much spot on as far as I can tell. I've thought the exact same thing in this and many other threads. Disparaging others to feel superior is a very common thing, and everyone has done it at one point or another for various reasons.

 

[rhiannon]

Disparaging others to feel superior is a very common thing, and everyone has done it at one point or another for various reasons.

Okay, so what would the reason of the girls be to say it's creepy to do something like that? Certainly not "putting other potential ticklers of women down"?

 

[ArchNemesis]

Okay, so what would the reason of the girls be to say it's creepy to do something like that? Certainly not "putting other potential ticklers of women down"?

He's talking about guys agreeing with the women. "Look at ME, ladies, I'm not a PIG like them!"