Being sexually excited by seeing minors tickled - is it wrong?

[Artoo]

You're seriously confused on what's being said. Your hidden camera analogy is completely out of place. Of course hiding a camera is wrong whether or not its discovered, IT is an action. We're saying feelings and urges are fine, no matter what they are, as long as you control them, IE you don't act on them. We are definitely not saying that you can do what you want as long as nobody realizes it.

As for this "you can choose your sexuality/sexual preferences" doctrine, I have no idea where this came from. Science is fuzzy when it comes to this, but all research findings indicate that sexuality takes shape either biologically or at some early stage in development, or even through trauma. There is absolutely zip, as in no reliable evidence to suggest there's an element of choice. The only things to support that view are self-serving anecdotes used mostly by religious fundamentalist groups to justify gay bashing. Anecdotes aren't reliable. "My cousin Jimmy said he stopped liking women one day" isn't enough to base an argument on, I'm sorry, it just plain isn't. Your cousin Jimmy may be lying, or he may have glossed over the experience, or whatever.

Pedophilia is not a chemical imbalance, it's not a disease, it's not unhealthy. Unhealthy? I can't believe people on this forum - a forum for sexual deviants - dare to use that term when it comes to bizarre sexual tastes. Pedophiles aren't bad people, child molesters are. Having an urge vs acting on that urge is different. That point of pure common sense has been repeated in this thread dozens of times, I can't understand why I still have to mention it.

There is no neurological difference between pedophilia and a tickling fetish. If pedophiles who live productive lives without hurting children are to be condemned as child molesters, then I'm to be condemned as a torturing-rapist for my sexual tastes. And so are many of you.

Also, I want to acknowledge the argument that pedophiles ought to be singled out for their urges, because they can't be trusted not to act on them. People, please think about that for a second. Like I said, I have dark sexual urges. I'm not going to act on them because I have a conscience, just like (yep, you guessed it) many pedophiles. Are we arresting people up because we think they're likely to commit a crime? Who the fuck can make that judgement? Nobody. Just because you have an illegal desire doesn't mean you're dangerous. If it does, then you'd better lock me up, because I have desires up the fucking wazoo.


Also, as furious as I am right now, I'm enjoying this exchange of ideas, so people, please don't be idiots by typing things like "You want kids to be molested, I get it." You know that's not what we're saying. Don't be ignorant dicks.

Fucking awesome post. My sentiments precicely...

I don't understand the lack of common sense and logic about this topic. It seems as if everyone goes into hysteria mode the moment someone mentions paedophillia - people seem to leave their brains at the door...

It also brings out the most disgusting vigilanteism in humanity ("these people should be castrated and killed in the most vile way possible" yada yada). I mean, what the fuck? How the hell does this give you the moral high ground? I'll tell you what - if really doesn't.
This sort of sentiment makes you no better than all the paedophiles you are tarring with the same brush - I assure you the irony of this is not lost on me.

And, for the record, I am dead against molesting children, or anyone for that matter.

 

[sandalman]

???

Is that appropriate to ask when you obviously know that its wrong...your looking for validation and I dont think you will find it here....
Hmm...

 

[lrtk36]

minors

It's Wrong.

 

[LD_Tickler]

Is that appropriate to ask when you obviously know that its wrong...your looking for validation and I dont think you will find it here....
Hmm...

Looking for validation, hm. Well, that would be a fine theory, if it weren't for the pages of logical, well reasoned arguments that precede your post.

That, and you have no idea if anywhere here has behaved in a way that needs to be validated.

 

[Wolf]

Nick of time?

You know, I am over it.

You think kids should be molested, I get it. I am over the arguing, because I will not argue with fanatics. When I do, I get the same rise in my anger.

Everyone else, I am sorry I kept this sad argument going. I would suggest that this go to the politics and religion sub-forum. Unless a discussion on why child molesters are normal or not belongs in tickling.

Samantha, I actually feel for you. I have never thought that a parent would defend people who would hurt her kids as vehemently as you do. You, in my eyes belong in a grouping of people I stop chatting with. I quit arguing because it of my bipolarism. The angrier I get, the more I want to hurt someone. Thank you for showing a new low for someone though, caused me to lose faith in people even more.

I am through with this thread.

I guess it's a good thing he left before turning green and smashing things, huh?

 

[giggle-maker]

No, it is not a unique POV and the kid isn't unique either. Pedophiles don't WANT to be pedophiles. They want to be normal. They want to be able to have normal relationships with other normal people and have their piece of the american dream, just like everyone else.

Pedophiles who act aren't just pedophiles. So let's at least compare apples and apples. Child molesters are *rapists*. And rape is wrong no matter the age of the victim, wouldn't you agree?

Ummm...not sure but I think we were saying the same thing. I re-read my post to see if I sounded confusing but the sentiment that most pedophiles don't want to be pedophiles was what I was pointing at.

Your family member doesn't want to be a pedophile and, I assume he doesn't act on those desires.

The unique (or at least rare) POV is that you know this person on a family basis and therefore are not prone to a snap judgement. It has allowed you to understand the difference between child molesters and pedophiles.

Before anyone needs to correct me, yes I know child molesters have to be inherently pedophiles...I mean the pedophiles who DON'T act on those desires.

Pedophiles don't bother me. But if anyone, for what ever reason, touches my daughter, I would gleefuly kill them in the slowest way I could come up with on short notice.

 

[Deleted member 66627]

[In response to the question, why would somebody choose to be homosexual and face discrimination, scorn, etc:]


Sexuality (homo or hetero) isn't about love, it's about sexual attraction. You don't become gay by loving somebody of the same same gender.

You're taking my post's way too literally. Or I'm not being specific enough.

But, what would make one 'come out'?

Love, more than likely.

 

[Babyshambles]

My uncle, who is probably one of the more stable people I know, says his homosexuality is a choice. He says he wanted to get away from women and he did.

There is some scientific evidence to suggest that homosexuality responds to external factors!!!

Yes, I have no doubt it's genetic and present from birth. However, there is evidence to suggest that people can "choose" to be homosexual or heterosexual.

Consider the incidence of homosexuality in the general population. Let's call this incidence "X".

Now consider a cohort of men who have seen a homosexual friend or loved one die from HIV whilst they were a child. In other words they associate homosexuality with death and it is something to be avoided.

Th incidence of homosexuality (Y) in this cohort is statistically significant where Y < X!! That is, these people seem to consciously choose to avoid homosexuality.

Interestingly, the incidence of homosexuality in an equivalent but female cohort is larger, indicating that they shun heterosexuality in response to the external stimuli.

So, my question to Aragon. Why did your Uncle shun women. What caused this? It must have been in childhood/adolescence. Did he have bad experiences with women? Did he have great experiences with men? What deterred him from women.

There is precedent for people have influence over the sexual preference depending on the external stimuli they face through life. Quite fascinating

 

[Deleted member 66627]

What do you mean by "lumping them into a category"? Are you suggesting I think both interests are similar in nature? I'm sorry, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Clearly, homosexuality and pedophilia are totally different things. However, both are sexual preferences. So why is it so hard to accept that for many people, pedophilia is no more a choice than homosexuality?

*facepalm*

I meant lumping them.. in the same category..as..being HARDWIRED..and "Being Turned".

 

[Wolf]

Ok, Crystal...

*facepalm*

I meant lumping them.. in the same category..as..being HARDWIRED..and "Being Turned".

Here's a thought..... make every post with a built-in space after EVERY FREAKIN' WORD, for people to jump all over, instead of reading a post as a whole, and thinking of bizarre things like context.

I'm reminded of Steve Martin in Roxanne: "Oh, Irony...no, we don't get that, here."

 

[Deleted member 66627]

Wolf,

Let's get back on topic, please.

If you would like to discuss anything off topic about me, feel free to PM me.

Thank You.

 

[xSamanthax]

Ummm...not sure but I think we were saying the same thing. I re-read my post to see if I sounded confusing but the sentiment that most pedophiles don't want to be pedophiles was what I was pointing at.

Your family member doesn't want to be a pedophile and, I assume he doesn't act on those desires.

The unique (or at least rare) POV is that you know this person on a family basis and therefore are not prone to a snap judgement. It has allowed you to understand the difference between child molesters and pedophiles.

Before anyone needs to correct me, yes I know child molesters have to be inherently pedophiles...I mean the pedophiles who DON'T act on those desires.

Pedophiles don't bother me. But if anyone, for what ever reason, touches my daughter, I would gleefuly kill them in the slowest way I could come up with on short notice.

I probably misread something, no worries. Thought you were saying that the fact that he didn't want to be a pedophile was unique, lol. As for the young man in question...I have lost touch with that part of the family so I don't know how he is doing. I know there was an incident (no one got hurt, I think he exposed himself) when he was about 12, and from then on it was in and out of hospitals and treatment facilities. I just remember his anguish so clearly, and it made me feel compassion towards him and people like him who struggle with things that no one should have to struggle with. And I can only imagine how that struggle could wear someone down over the years and make them want to give up. No easy answers for sure.

Also, I am actually not sure that all child molesters are pedophiles. Molestation is sometimes based on sexual urges, but not always, just like rape. That is why castration isn't 100% effective. Human sexuality is complex...throw in some mental issues and you can get some really fucked up results. For instance a pedophile with no other problems would probably be ok. Add OCD to the mix and his ability to control his thoughts/urges might go right out the window. Or bipolar. We aren't always dealing with *just* pedophilia when dealing with someone who is violent toward kids.

Now I am just rambling, lol. More caffeine!!!!

 

[vsa7a]

you know pedophilia or any child sexual related bullshit is something that even a person of lowest or no standards like the most violent criminals in jail have standards and highly detest any ****** of such

 

[xSamanthax]

"There is some scientific evidence to suggest that homosexuality responds to external factors!!! Yes, I have no doubt it's genetic and present from birth. However, there is evidence to suggest that people can "choose" to be homosexual or heterosexual."

I think that there is a problem with the definitions here.

"Homosexual" and "heterosexual" do not describe *behavior*. The words describe the fundamental attraction. You can choose not to act on sexual attractions, but that does not take away the attraction.

A celibate heterosexual is still heterosexual even if they are not having sex with members of the opposite sex.

A heterosexual person who is forced to engage in homosexual acts is still hetero.

A homosexual who marries a heterosexual and lives life as a heterosexual is still a homosexual.

"Consider the incidence of homosexuality in the general population. Let's call this incidence "X". Now consider a cohort of men who have seen a homosexual friend or loved one die from HIV whilst they were a child. In other words they associate homosexuality with death and it is something to be avoided. Th incidence of homosexuality (Y) in this cohort is statistically significant where Y < X!! That is, these people seem to consciously choose to avoid homosexuality."

They choose to avoid acting on their homosexual attractions. Not the same thing as choosing not to be homosexual.

But link to the studies?

"Interestingly, the incidence of homosexuality in an equivalent but female cohort is larger, indicating that they shun heterosexuality in response to the external stimuli."

A girl who has sex with another girl isn't necessarily homosexual though. She could be bi. Or she could be just really pissed at men, lol. Or she could just be curious. The list goes on.

 

[Sleepy Jean]

you know pedophilia or any child sexual related bullshit is something that even a person of lowest or no standards like the most violent criminals in jail have standards and highly detest any ****** of such

The fact that the prison population hates child molestors has nothing to do with "standards." They hate them because most murderers, rapists and other violent offenders were molested as children themselves. They couldn't touch their molestors then and are likely far removed from them now but can get a measure of revenge by killing a stranger in prison who was convicted of some crime against a child. That's why Jeffrey Dahmer didn't last long in the joint.

 

[Ticklshchic03]

you know pedophilia or any child sexual related bullshit is something that even a person of lowest or no standards like the most violent criminals in jail have standards and highly detest any ****** of such

What is the with the use of that word on this forum?


Why are you assuming they're homosexual? Go read some back posts you ignorant waste of time.

 

[Sleepy Jean]

Maybe someone can help me understand, because I'm a woman and not into pornography at all.

Is it possible for a tickle fetishist, especially a male one, to watch or imagine kids being tickled and just use that as an aid to masturbation? I would think someone like that could get an erection watching children being tickled but still have no desire to have sex with them. Isn't pornography mainly a tool people use to pleasure themselves? The whole theory that a guy looks at dirty books, then goes out and attacks the first woman he finds has been discredited, right?

So I see nothing wrong with guys who enjoy seeing children being tickled. I really think they only want to get a chubby out it. I don't think these tickle freaks have sex on their minds. Watching a 10-year-old girl getting her feet tickled is so radically different than having sex with a 10 YO girl I would think. What do others here think?

 

[vsa7a]

okay excuse my word of choice ****** in my previous post but it has nothing to do with actual homosexuality or anything its simply put to prove a point or enhance communication like for example the 'prisoners' would be 'like' that would be their impression.

again nothing to do with homosexual. now back to topic!

 

[giggle-maker]

Here's a question: How many pedophiles are female?

 

[vsa7a]

The fact that the prison population hates child molestors has nothing to do with "standards." They hate them because most murderers, rapists and other violent offenders were molested as children themselves. They couldn't touch their molestors then and are likely far removed from them now but can get a measure of revenge by killing a stranger in prison who was convicted of some crime against a child. That's why Jeffrey Dahmer didn't last long in the joint.

actually i have done social science studies on prisoners before and quite many times it turns out they have their own standards and values themselves. after all you dont beat up someone unless they disrespected you and you dont rob banks if you dont respect in supporting yourself somewhat.

 

[vsa7a]

the final taboo

if youre a pedophile then youre a little bitch and should die and burn in hell

END OF STORY

 

[Deleted member 66627]

you know pedophilia or any child sexual related bullshit is something that even a person of lowest or no standards like the most violent criminals in jail have standards and highly detest any ****** of such

I have heard about that.

The convicted killers don't take a shine too much to the guys who rape their own kids.

And frankly, I agree with their hostility towards such.

Side Note: "******" was a really, really, really, really bad word to use with a topic that seems to swing back and forth between pedophillia and homosexualism.

 

[Wolf]

Acutally, yeah

Maybe someone can help me understand, because I'm a woman and not into pornography at all.

Is it possible for a tickle fetishist, especially a male one, to watch or imagine kids being tickled and just use that as an aid to masturbation? I would think someone like that could get an erection watching children being tickled but still have no desire to have sex with them. Isn't pornography mainly a tool people use to pleasure themselves? The whole theory that a guy looks at dirty books, then goes out and attacks the first woman he finds has been discredited, right?

So I see nothing wrong with guys who enjoy seeing children being tickled. I really think they only want to get a chubby out it. I don't think these tickle freaks have sex on their minds. Watching a 10-year-old girl getting her feet tickled is so radically different than having sex with a 10 YO girl I would think. What do others here think?

Using a child for sexual gratification, whether from actual contact or as a visual stimulus (based on another fetish), is pedophilia. They're not the same, but that doesn't make it right. Pedophilia is a mental disorder. Child Molestation is an action. No one is breaking the law by fantasizing about whatever they fantasize about. You're comparing a mental disorder (Pedophilia) with an action (having sex with a 10-year old). By the way, you can't 'have sex' with a 10-year old. They are incapable of giving consent. You can sexually assault one, however.

 

[xSamanthax]

Here's a question: How many pedophiles are female?

Hard to measure. I have heard numbers of around 10% of pedophiles are females. But it's hard to say if those numbers are accurate. I'll keep looking and post if I find anything solid.

If you expand that to include pederasty (where the kid is post-pubescent), it's a larger number. Problem with this particular part is that no one sees it as wrong. What you hear is that the young man that the teacher seduced is a lucky sumbitch.

 

[xSamanthax]

actually i have done social science studies on prisoners before and quite many times it turns out they have their own standards and values themselves. after all you dont beat up someone unless they disrespected you and you dont rob banks if you dont respect in supporting yourself somewhat.

Can you post/link your peer-reviewed studies, please?