Bored with Tickling

[dskodj]

Im with bigbold 125%, and back everything he had to say. Everything is not what it once was first off..and as I stated earlier in the thread...Im one of those who rely on the fetish vids to release my stress/fufill fantasy as at the moment I cant find time to save my life to meet or look for a sig other or friend with benefits.

and yes, the vids were at one time FETISH/JERK OFF vids! - tickling was a fetish, not a PG rated passtime or odd hobby as what things have turned out to be round here in the past few yrs or so.

I believe "complaining" is not the word...it's more or less voicing feelings from the consumer in some ways (when referring to vids).

So lemme ask this, if you go into a resturant and order your dinner, then it has 7 dead roaches in it...are you gonna just sit there and be greatful that the resturant served food and let it go and deal with it?

If you go buy the new (insert artist's name here) album and it's a piece of shit, and you've been devoted to this artist forever...are you gonna just sit and be thankful they recorded something?

 

[birdburdy]

I've seen that too... and 99.9% of it is poorly done, or even fake. I have not seen a single video of a girl being buried in the sand in such a way that they can't get out - it's always fake. I have seen a couple of pictures though.

Most stocks look like they've been made from plywood, or hardboard or something.

I'm sorry, we're all gonna get together and try to do better for you.

Take no notice of Papi, Bigboldbat. I agree with what you're saying, and some others do too. As was stated earlier in this thread, you can never please everybody. While there is an over-abundance of light material out there for people who like that, there is virtually no heavy stuff.

And that's fine, for those who like the light stuff. Except producers often market their light material as being really intense torture tickling... which I'm sorry, any way you look at this it is a lie - false advertising.

Call a spade a spade: if it is light giggly tickling you produce then great, but please call it such so that those of us who don't like that can pass it by.

Well, this isn't very nice either haha.

There is never anything new on these forums, the pictures people post are boring and usually involve flimsy plywood stocks (but thanks to them for trying). Even the commercial material is awful: there must be literally thousands of producers all releasing such samely, anonymous rubbish.

Well he does thank them for trying. Whether it is nice or not, it has to be said. The quality of stocks people build are generally not great, that's understandable because it is difficult to do and takes a lot of time. But the tied face-down on the bed scene is getting old - it's not even tight, arms and legs flying all over the place. Also there is rarely diversity in the scenes - they do it in a bedroom, or a living room, or an office (because it's cheap and easy, in my opinion). If I'm going to spend my money on a video clip, I want it to show me something new, or something I can't do. If I just want to see another pretty girl spreadeagled and tickled I'd do it myself.

 

[ImNotDave]

I agree to an extent. Personaly, i prefer videos with a storyline, like (the heavily overdone) "captured spy", or one i did enjoy (cant remember who made it) was about a woman who wanted to try out for a tickle video, so she got her friend to tickle her first to see if she could take it.
Personally i am bored with alot of tickle vids, as everyone is starting to look the same.
Girl+stocks+fake laugh+10second preview+$15 video = generic tickle vid.

 

[bigboldbat]

I'm sorry, we're all gonna get together and try to do better for you.

Well not just me, it would seem. Quite a few people are getting bored, and that's only including the ones who're still here and who've bothered to post.

ViperGTS just started an open request thread. You should post to that, hon.

Thanks for the heads-up. I've posted some ideas to his thread, hopefully it makes a difference.

 

[P[a]pi]

I'm just expressing my opinion too haha. I don't see the problem.

You guys wanna criticize others, but not get criticized for criticizing others while not contributing anything of your own.

 

[Texas_Tickle]

I'm just expressing my opinion too haha. I don't see the problem.

You guys wanna criticize others, but not get criticized for criticizing others while not contributing anything of your own.

Basically he thinks the videos many of the producers create is 'too soft'. He himself stated he is more into the BSDM aspect, with tickling as a '2cd'. He's critical of producers who don't tickle as 'torture'.

Perhaps he'd find better luck on a pure S/M site, eh?

 

[P[a]pi]

Basically he thinks the videos many of the producers create is 'too soft'. He himself stated he is more into the BSDM aspect, with tickling as a '2cd'. He's critical of producers who don't tickle as 'torture'.

Perhaps he'd find better luck on a pure S/M site, eh?

Perhaps, or the people who are fans of what they aren't seeing could get together and make a new tickling company somehow, or just play together.

Sometimes ya just gotta make something that you want, instead of asking others to make it, especially if the ones you are asking are doing just fine (making money) doing what they are already doing.

 

[dskodj]

Perhaps he'd find better luck on a pure S/M site, eh?

go back 4-5 years ago and look at the material, it was there 90% of the time...we shouldnt have to go to a BDSM site or we may as well be back in the 80s when those vids were the only tickle fixes we'd find. but the way things have been the past few years or so, that may be our only choice [which if anyone knows any BDSM sites with some good tickle material..PLEASE direct me there 🙂 ]

till these past few years i myself had always thought my tickle fetish was all in the same...but now i've learned that for some it isnt even a fetish, but a fun passtime or folks sexualy aroused by fun tickling...which is cool, but kinda disapointing that thats where the vids and TMF kinda went vs the way it used to be....absolutly no variety to choose from, its like playful or nothing....for folks of my tastes and the original poster's tastes anyway, that really aint cool.

back 4-5 years ago and a little beyond, there was a choice.

what really stinks is that there has been a few vid producers that came onto the scene durring this new time, came on producing some of those clips that us hardcore folks wanted to see..but then was only a matter of time before they kinda sold out and went where everyone else went. kinda reminds me of the music industry in some ways.

 

[majdav]

Boldbat, Burdy, dskodj- right on target

I read TMF all the time, seldom ever finding anything much worth posting on about. But this one took some time to get through and was very interesting. No doubt some will take the typical TMF attitude and attack some of my thoughts in a offensive manner. So be it. They're just words. Unless you offer facts to the contrary to sway my opinion, then my opinion holds based on what facts I have. The goal of this is not to cause a fight or denounce anyone's materials or efforts. It's just one tickler's thoughts.

I'm in total agreement with Boldbat, Burdy, dskodj, and those of that mindset. You couldn't be more on target. More so I applaud your courage and convictions to stand up and say something in the light that you would be attacked for your comments.

Problem is, as always, it falls on mostly deaf ears. No one really ever listens. Many just like to post. Maybe it's about getting attention. I think that's their real outlet. I know that wasn't the original goal of the TMF. I knew Scott and the other gentlemen who first dreamed it up and later created it. But the TMF has turned into a posting forum to get attention. Nothing wrong with that outside of the fact the posts get really boring.

Did ya ever notice that no one ever seems to learn from anyone, no one ever admits the other has a valid point- it's just a fight on and on. No one talks it out reasonably, no one ever wins, no one gets anywhere. Many times just defensive, misinformed, or uneducated replies.

Thus the problem is never fixed and remains intact. If the TMF were the Continental Congress, we'd all still be subjects of England to this day.

Now I'm not trying to start a flame war (and yes this is far from the flame-free forum advertized- flames are allowed to go on), and it's an equally ridiculous argument to thrust with "go out and produce it yourself". As if that's your valid excuse for the current producers to make and sell fake garbage? C'mon now.

It's clear that most people agree with you, Boldbat, Burdy, and Dskodj- that's why they're so damned defensive about their materials. Again, no flame intended but surely rude egotistical retorts such as Pappi always offers on boards get us nowhere--> yet seem to be the norm and fuel wars today. He and others prove the point here that the majority simply don't listen, don't respect any one who came before them and made want they have now, and certainly can't accept anyone who can do better than they offer. They merely get defensive, and very often- offensive.

The TMF today is much like a pick-up bar really. You can't expect any quality from a source like that. Really about quickies, no comittment or involvement much past that.

However it serves that goal very well though and pleases many due to it. The only thing anyone here has in common is tickling. Admittedly, that's a pretty flimsy wafer to cling to and still call yourself a 'community'. Just as there is no torture in the phrase 'tickle torture' here on TMF, there is equally no united goal in mind or kinship on TMF such as the word community would imply. Most are really out for publicity, to sell, or again for quickies. All selfish virtues at best.

I know some have called the TMF the place to be inbetween NESTS. Well I have to chuckle at that. That makes us all look pretty darned cheap. Nest itself is as shallow as can be and byfar nothing to brag about unless no one has ever tasted better. I and many have. All at Nest are there to get maybe a few minutes of poised faked tickling in. It just seems so shallow when you look at it. I've been to large tickling parties that have such value to them, involvement, and such great eye for detail that they make Nest events look like a kiddie pool.

Of course Nest people get so overly defensive about that notion because they're currently standing in the kiddie pool and have no idea what the larger wave pool is like. Their scope is very narrow. But to brag about being in the kiddie pool? I dunno 'bout that one. I do know this- those that step into the larger wave pool never look back at Nest. It would be like going back to school and trying to sit at your old kiddie desk again. The fit isn't right as you know more of the world. They could learn a lot from the other party venues.

You also have to take into consideration the majority of people on TMF are here for a quick, fast thrill with little-to-no effort. At lunch break or maybe after the wives have gone to sleep, they pop on and want a quick thrill. They simply want what they want and want it fast. Quality doesn't matter to them because most have a very limited attention span. Easy access cheap material. They love it. They don't want to break a sweat, put any thought process or brain power into anything. Good for them I guess, they're easily satisfied.

If you think about about it, this approach naturally leaks over onto the producers who are not dummies- why put out the effort when you can make the same amount of money doing as little as possible? Anyone could do it. After all, it'll still sell no matter how bad it is. Film it, post it. No set, no scenes, no lighting, no headspace, no mood, no good bondage, faked laughter from pretty girls-- nothing much to it. In the service we had a saying that you could sell a thirsty man in the desert a gallon of piss for $1000 and he'd drink it like it was lemonade. The same applies here. When I say anyone could do that style it's backed up by the fact that everyone does actually seem to be doing it today.

It's been argued that some producers are lazy. Maybe so. I think they have little creativity and just want to make some dough. Maybe some are minds that are too new and young to this scene and don't know it's history and what they should be trying to do better than.

You can clearly though see it'll never change. It's set in stone. It doesn't matter because the internet as we know it will be purchased back by the Government by 2010 and all of the porn, and yes even sites like this, will be eliminated anyway as the larger corporations take hold of it.

What's clearly lacking on TMF by everyone's intonation (whether they post it in words or not) is that the TMF and other places have finally caught up to what a wise man had predicted all along: a severe lack of creativity and professional follow through. I totally agree. Some of the posts here have links in them to materials that is so very amature that it really couldn't be called bondage or intense. 'Bondage to giggle by' maybe is a good phrase. Most of it faked.

Maybe that's part of the complaint. TK today should perhaps be labled as merely faked or implied, or bedroom fantasy tickling or something other than tickle torture-- it doesn't even come close to that name. I wouldn't want to order a steak and get a bologna sandwich. By offering us a pretty girl in the scene and letting all the rest fall through, well you're sure getting the steak but it's served on a garbage lid. Still a letdown.

All the video material out there today could be lumped into that category and labled for what it is; make believe bondage and tickling. Good for some, not all. That's cool because a lot of people love that type of material and they should be able to have it.

I've been lucky enough to talk to and meet many ladies into tickling and almost none of them came from TMF. They all tell me the same thing. They dislike the forums due to the ego attitudes, bar like postings, and fights. They read it once or twice or see some of the material posted and never go back. They want something of depth and value. So there really isn't a lack of females out there into TK. It's just that they get one look at what is implied as 'the heart of TK community' and the run for the hills. Who can blame them. Look at what they see.

I too just wish the true masters of the craft of tickling torture and bondage would step out and offer the rest of us something better. However looking at posts here for years I truly understand their frustrations. Most of them keep it private for themselves. The other masters have left the tk scene or are dead.

Though youngin's here won't know this, and the egos won't acknowledge it, in the past we had some great masters and creators--> and I mean creators, not copycats like we have today. What they did and created was totally original and done for the first time. Also done at a time when there was no internet easing the way. Making magazines and photo layouts. True to life stories. It was gritty and realistic. Nowadays you can just push a button, sign online and in five minutes have website and be a self-named tickle master. What creativity does that take. Just copy the next dude.

Result being that everything done today-- everything you can possibly name--is a very poor copy of what's already been done in years past, and done much better too. There's not been anything new that anyone can name that I can't prove was already done and done better. That's whats so annoying I guess. They should be able to surpass the past, not make poor copies of it.

That's where I feel the downfall happens here and on TT, and what the guys I mentioned above refer to. We had in the past fantastic people who really made this scene and dreams come totally alive and who truly created it. They had so much to offer. None of the mods on TMF nor anyone even posting here can claim that. None of them were around.

There were and still are a few living legends-- and we foolishly let them go. Perhaps more accurately stated; the shennanagins, egos, attitudes, and flames here drove them away. We lost, they didn't.

Dave

 

[Deleted member 66627]

A well thought out discussional piece. However..

The goal of this is not to cause a fight or denounce anyone's materials or efforts. It's just one tickler's thoughts.

I've only gotten through a little over half of your post and have seen many statements denouncing efforts and material.

I'm in total agreement with Boldbat, Burdy, dskodj, and those of that mindset. You couldn't be more on target. More so I applaud your courage and convictions to stand up and say something in the light that you would be attacked for your comments.

Agreed. Both side's of the discussion for the most part had a steady debate.

Problem is, as always, it falls on mostly deaf ears. No one really ever listens.

Who are you referring to as not 'listening'? What purpose would listening do?

And for those that do, what would you want them to do?

Many just like to post. Maybe it's about getting attention. I think that's their real outlet.

I disagree.

Although many of us do enjoy posting immensley, I don't believe it lies solely on the 'need for attention'.

It may be percieved as an outlet, but it also is a way to network with friends whom are not close enough to visit or see regularly.

I know that wasn't the original goal of the TMF. I knew Scott and the other gentlemen who first dreamed it up and later created it.

I have nothing to confirm this or deny this. However, with the growth of users..the forum will experience a flux and a change, it happens all the time.

New options are introduced, tested and either applied or disposed of.

The forum seems to be prospering quite soundly as we have a steady flow of new folks registering every day.

But the TMF has turned into a posting forum to get attention. Nothing wrong with that outside of the fact the posts get really boring.

Tickling - Self Explanatory.
Media - Yes, Video/Audio.
Forum.

Forum: –noun, plural fo·rums, fo·ra [fawr-uh, fohr-uh]
1. the marketplace or public square of an ancient Roman city, the center of judicial and business affairs and a place of assembly for the people.
2. a court or tribunal: the forum of public opinion.
3. an assembly, meeting place, television program, etc., for the discussion of questions of public interest.

In reference to 'boring posts'? That is a matter of opinion. I've seen many substantial debates that indeed did not break out into a flame war, but managed to stay on topic fairly soundly.

Doesn't mean flamewars don't happen. Because they do.

Did ya ever notice that no one ever seems to learn from anyone, no one ever admits the other has a valid point- it's just a fight on and on. No one talks it out reasonably, no one ever wins, no one gets anywhere.

I've seen this, yes. But, it doesn't happen as it seems like you are making it sound. It's not an every day thing. Unless you count certain video clips where folks get into a screaming fest over how ticklish model X was.

It seems as if you are stating the forum discussions are in constant turmoil, I do not agree nor do I see this.

Many times just defensive, misinformed, or uneducated replies.

All a matter of opinion.

Thus the problem is never fixed and remains intact. If the TMF were the Continental Congress, we'd all still be subjects of England to this day.

I'll let the P & R folks handle that one. I'm not educated enough as far as Politics goes to understand that.

Now I'm not trying to start a flame war (and yes this is far from the flame-free forum advertized- flames are allowed to go on), and it's an equally ridiculous argument to thrust with "go out and produce it yourself". As if that's your valid excuse for the current producers to make and sell fake garbage? C'mon now.

Second re-assurance towards not starting a flamewar. However, many comments I disagree strongly with and feel they are a bit harsh.

Anyways..

I'm sorry that you feel the statement of "going out and producing yourself" to be inadequate. Why is it that you feel that way?

As far as the current producer's making and selling 'fake garbage', well..again. A matter of opinion, and briefly sparking back to the inane arguments I've witnessed happen over how 'real model X laughed'.

Picking and Viewing a tickling video is based strongly on opinion, that much I know. Going back to a statement I believe I made prior to your post, I mentioned e-mailing or PMing a producer that you do enjoy and letting them know of your opinions.

Many producers have made threads seeking opinions from the members here. If you see someone you are familar with, and do enjoy? Take advantage of their seeking of opinions. They do it for a reason; To keep their customers happy.

They spend hours scouring this website among many others I am sure reviewing and watching what people do POST about, and pulling ideas from that on what to contribute.

However, I am not saying ALL producers do this. I've viewed my fair share of extremely awkward and badly scened TK scenarios that look like the producer was doing it strictly for him/herself and then tossing it out to us to see how many bites they can get.

It's clear that most people agree with you, Boldbat, Burdy, and Dskodj- that's why they're so damned defensive about their materials.

I disagree.

Again, no flame intended

Third reference.

but

Uh oh..

surely rude egotistical retorts such as Pappi always offers on boards get us nowhere-->

Ouch.

He and others prove the point here that the majority simply don't listen

This is the first thread I have personally seen touching base on this topic, so unless you are referring to PMs, well we can't see them..so I guess we can't 'not' listen.

don't respect any one who came before them and made want they have now, and certainly can't accept anyone who can do better than they offer. They merely get defensive, and very often- offensive.

Frankly, I don't blame those that do.

You are stating that you are looking for some sort of respect for being a "vet" or being here since the "opening days" and person X "didn't want THIS for the community"...BUT..

You in turn are belittling the contributions, arguments, discussions, debates and general mindframe of many other forum members here?

That's a little hypocritical, me thinks.

The TMF today is much like a pick-up bar really. You can't expect any quality from a source like that. Really about quickies, no comittment or involvement much past that.

For some; Yes. It is.

But, Look around a bit deeper, there have been long standing relationships, and even marriage occur either because of meeting on this forum, or online in general.

Straying away from relationships, look at TMF Radio. That alone should define 'involvement' and 'committment'.

The only thing anyone here has in common is tickling.

First and foremost, yes. Hence the need/want to join the forum.

Admittedly, that's a pretty flimsy wafer to cling to and still call yourself a 'community'.

That's why you see all that 'pointless posting'. We network in attempts to unite all that wish to. Ideas shoot in and out of this place almost daily.. "How to get others involved", "How to GIVE back, etc".

Just as there is no torture in the phrase 'tickle torture' here on TMF, there is equally no united goal in mind or kinship on TMF such as the word community would imply.

Comparing the TMF as a community to Torture not being alongside the word tickle is (if I may quote you) .. "A pretty flimsy wafer to cling to."

Most are really out for publicity, to sell, or again for quickies. All selfish virtues at best.

I'm sure many are. But, I've seen and even talked with few who aren't. Who are truly dedicated to giving the community something that they can truly hang onto.

Ok. You have like... 5 more paragraphs left, but frankly your argument has teetered back and forth between the OP's discussional opening and your own views of certain community members (some mentioned by name) and how much you don't care for what we are doing.

So, I don't wish to view a repeat.

 

[cloudgazer2k]

you also missed the part where he babbles on about NEST practically not being worthwhile.

have you gone to NEST? met the people that have been? i doubt it. instead, you're working on a preconceived notion that NEST isn't what it's cracked up to be.

NEST has seen a huge turn out year after year. aside from Killerqueen's tickle parties and the foot worship parties where tickling may happen, i have not heard of many other successful gatherings where tickling is the advertised activity. note that i said SUCCESSFUL, as i am well aware that others have tried to start their own parties/gatherings, but either nothing happens or they give up after a try or two.

the more things change, the more they stay the same, Majdav. if you're a true "veteran", you should know this as well as anyone.

 

[Deleted member 66627]

The only way one can influence another is by talking to them. Now if they respond in negative fashion..Well, then move along. It's not worth it.

But, if they respond positively to such opinions and/or suggestions.. Then you are making headway.

Posting a rant that looks like you've been holding in for 8 years, isn't a great start. However, it is one, I'll give ya that.

You want to make something happen in reference to V/A?

Email all the producers you love, or give some new ones a chance. You might be pleasently suprised.

And on a side note: If the amount of users keeps increasing as much as it does, well, the TMF MUST be doing something right.

 

[sabaki]

Neat thread. 🙂 I always like these "remember the old days" threads. Some day I'd like to share a drink with some of you folks on the more intense/real side of the fence.

 

[Capnmad]

Neat thread. 🙂 I always like these "remember the old days" threads. Some day I'd like to share a drink with some of you folks on the more intense/real side of the fence.

Welcome back, Sabaki. Been a while!

 

[luvtolaugh]

well

actually I am kind of new as far as posting but I love this site. I have met some nice people on here and I look forward to meeting them. Like someone said in a previous post we all get different things out of tickling and I do think that the clips on here are pretty good. I think I am kind of am ammateur hehe since I really haven't pursued my love for tickling too much which I am changing! but I like this site and glad I found it....just my opinion


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