Boundary between tickling and abuse

[tkl]

I recently bought the Miranda video from Tickling Paradise
http://www.clips4sale.com/store/192
Miranda is a really hot hard body in a black bikini who is tied spread eagle (best position ever) and tickled hard for a long time. She is outrageously ticklish, cute, smart, and great 'lee. The tickler really works her most ticklish spots.
However, as the tickling goes on and on, I began to feel pretty uncomfortable with the involuntary nature of the tickling. The girl obviously thought she was just doing a Damsel in Distress bondage video, and only discovers the tickling part after she is restrained. She is clearly uncomfortable with the tickling, and while she tries to make the best of it, she becomes increasingly upset, angry and overwhelmed. It is clear that the tickling is not what she signed on for and she wants it to stop (she says this over and over and means it) but the tickling goes on and on.
There is obviously a sadistic (enjoying the ticklee's "suffering") element to tickling and bondage, and each tickler brings a different level of that motivation to their tickling. For me, I like to push the women I tickle up to and maybe a little past their limits, but beyond that it really does begin to feel like torture and abuse and becomes a real turn-off for me. For others, crossing that line is what really turns them on.
I think the Miranda tape is a good test for where your line is between tickle "torture" and real torture.
Comments welcome.

 

[Snail Shell]

If I'm not mistaken, the clip in question is a non-consentual clip. Could explain why she got upset. Some people like non-consentual tickling clips, some don't. 🙂

Snail Shell

 

[maniactickler38]

That may be my favorite video of all time. i wouldnt consider that abuse either. the perfect reaction!

 

[DarthGrinn]

...unless it was all staged and she was acting the part of the "omg I soo didn't sign up for this!". (I didn't see the vid, so I'll take you're word for it. Just had to put that out there that it could all be staged... like WWF wrestling)

As far as RL tickling goes if the lee isn't enjoying it, then to me its pointless.

The pleasure for me comes from the enjoyment of the lee. I get off on her positive reactions; her laughter, playful giggling, tickling back, being playfully defiant etc. The tickling is supposed to bring me closer to my lee, and strengthen our emotional bonds... and the experience is supposed to be fun and joyful. If the lee is not enjoying the tickling, isn’t in the mood or wants to stop; then it's over.

 

[Betchass1]

There was a huge to-do here not long ago over cartoons with under-aged characters. I don't think I'm just rehashing the same thing when I say I'm kind of bewildered to think a cartoon depiction of a consensual act could be seen as unacceptable and a real-life non-consensual sexual assault could be acceptable. Is this not illegal? And yet the Theater has nothing to say?


I like non-consensual fantasies too, but you know, sometimes, when I get really angry, I might think of hitting someone, smashing someone's car, or even beating someone to an unrecognizable mush, and I feel good and adrenalized; but I would still rather live in a world where people get punished for actually doing this to other people.

I think it would be great if any tk/bondage video producers with scruples would voluntarily start including video release statements from their models *with the movie*. "Hi, I'm Jeanette, and we're going to film a tickling video. I'll be tied to the... and then... blah blah blah, tee hee hee."
If I had my druthers it would be illegal to sell any bondage video without doing this (unless it was made previously of course). But I know I won't have my druthers.
I don't buy tk videos much anymore, but if there were a company willing to do this I'd never buy from anyone else.

Seriously, if there's anyone whose boner would be ruined by knowing that he was *not* seeing a non-consensual sexual assault, the rest of us are under no obligation to bend the rules for that person's gratification.

 

[MistressValerie1]

We believe that the video was actually filmed with consent because the clip store asserts that it has the required 18 USC 2257 proof-of-age model release records on file. The backstory for the video was also highly improbable. In any case, the video cannot be posted here because the producer is on the no-post list, so its legality is a moot point.

(Personally, I agree with Betchass that it would be nice if the producers would film the consent to eliminate any doubt.)

 

[tk0]

The pleasure for me comes from the enjoyment of the lee. I get off on her positive reactions; her laughter, playful giggling, tickling back, being playfully defiant etc. The tickling is supposed to bring me closer to my lee, and strengthen our emotional bonds... and the experience is supposed to be fun and joyful. If the lee is not enjoying the tickling, isn’t in the mood or wants to stop; then it's over.


Goes for me too. Couldn't have said it better.

 

[P[a]pi]

Tickling Paradise has made 2 videos called Non-Consentual and Non-Consentual 2 and the first looked more real than the second, but I don't think either one is really non-consentual, just acting. I think they just call them that and tell the lee to act like that for people who have fantasys of non-con tickling.

Also, the Miranda video you are talking about wasn't made by Tickling Paradise. It was made by Tickle Slave, which was a tickling company that didn't last very long and eventually Tickling Paradise bought up their material and started selling it. Tickle Slave didn't make very many videos. I think they only made 6 actually, 4 white chicks, 1 black chick and 1 asian chick. And all their videos are supposed to be non-con, but again I don't think they really are, just acting.

If these videos really are non-con I'm not down with that. I wouldn't like that and I hope they are fake non-con videos. The only positive I could come up with if they are real non-con videos is that I bet they had to pay the chicks a lot of money to be able to sell the videos, which would mean the tricked chicks thought it was worth it. That must have been what happened if these videos are real because all those chicks could be sueing TP and trying to throw them in jail.

So to sum everything up the videos are fake or the chicks got paid enough money to let things slide. If the second is true that is risky because you might run into a chick that wants to sue you and throw you in jail no matter what.

Either way, I'm not a fan of real non-con, whether the lee was paid a lot of money or not.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

the hollywood brother also thinks it is acting. every laugh, every sigh, every movement is well reheaseres to get you to to talk about the non stop hollywood brother like tickling action that you saw

 

[Betchass1]

If these videos really are non-con I'm not down with that. I wouldn't like that and I hope they are fake non-con videos. The only positive I could come up with if they are real non-con videos is that I bet they had to pay the chicks a lot of money to be able to sell the videos, which would mean the tricked chicks thought it was worth it. That must have been what happened if these videos are real because all those chicks could be sueing TP and trying to throw them in jail.

So to sum everything up the videos are fake or the chicks got paid enough money to let things slide. If the second is true that is risky because you might run into a chick that wants to sue you and throw you in jail no matter what.

Except I believe that, if it were to be considered sexual assault, this is a criminal charge, not a civil one; whether the victim wants to "press charges" or not, the evidence is right there on the internet for a small fee. Any contract that would not be evidence of wrongdoing would, as far as I can imagine, have to be specifically lying. I mean, if the contract says "I agree not to testify that this was done against my will"... well a contract that agrees to perjury doesn't seem like it would hold up very well. So most likely it would involve a statement of informed consent, which would be a lie. I guess that's no different than a model release form.

Seems to me the bondage community ought to be upset about stuff like this. The more videos there are online of people tricked into being tied up and then tickled - even if it's fake- the less willing models will be to participate in "vanilla" bondage videos.

And, as I said before, if a 100% real violent crime is what it takes to get someone off, the rest of society doesn't need to appease that person.

 

[Magician1]

This problem is easily avoided with use of a safe word. If you keep tickling past the safe word then it is abuse. It is as simple as that.

 

[foottickler4u]

interesting!!!