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Can you psycho-analyze someone you hardly know?

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I doubt anyone can truely analyze someone just like that, altho in talking to a well known chap from this forum one day i was stunned at the predictions that were thrown towards me,

During our first proper conversation and with one small peice of information he managed to pretty much sum up my ways and life so far. To the extent I actually learned things about myself that i didnt know, and since then ive actually changed direction for the better. Lucky guess or am I an easy read?

Either way these skills are a gift.


Hari

Wow. You just took me back to high school where this girl did the same thing to me. Read me like a book. Creeped me out completely. We'd known each other for five minutes.

She was really hot though. 😀

If it moves you in a direction that is good, little else matters, but these readings probably owe at least something to someone making some lucky guesses or applying aspects of "cold reading" (whether they're aware of it or not).




I have to respectfully disagree -- to a point, anyway. While science has proven that properly cultivated instinct/intuition can indeed be a very useful tool, not everyone possesses the level of insight, empathy, and/or wisdom derived from experience and self-examination really required to hone that tool into a fine art. A lot of people *think* they have a remarkably accurate gut instinct, but those immediate perceptions can be, and often are, heavily skewed by countless factors such as bias, need, bigotry and projection, to name just a few. And I think that goes to the heart of what Dave and Myriads and others are trying to say, really.

Agreed.



But seriously, while I most definitely agree that you can't pin a person's true personality immediately and with our layperson's knowledge of the human mind, I am very much a believer in first impressions and gut reactions. Are those subject to change? Absolutely. Can they be dead-on and vital? Again, absolutely.

I suppose I don't put much stock in first impressions. Do we sometimes have to rely on them? Sure. Sometimes they're the only things we've got, and when they are, they're very important.

But first impressions are notoriously difficult to change for the very reason that people do think they're dead-on, when they're in fact based on very little good info, and subject to such various skewing factors as MySoCalledLaugh mentions above. Incoming information received afterward is put through the filter of the beliefs emerging from the impression that's been set, and the aspects of that information that validate those beliefs are attended to more and given more weight than the aspects that differ or would lead one away from those belief.

First impressions are like preconceptions with just a trace more information. And that trace more information can make you cling to the conclusions you've come to well beyond what reason would support.

I personally put stock in constant evaluation of people's recent actions to see how they match with their broader history, and slowly give me a bearing on their character. I'll never have a complete picture of their character, as there will be some things I'll never know about them. Some things, no one will know about them. Sometimes people do things out of line with their broader history. Sometimes they make mistakes. And so, I have to be able to recognize these as outliers and poorly representative of the true character of the person. I do this naturally, with everyone.

What I find interesting is how rarely continuous evaluation is exercised among others. I've seen people who are treated as though the first impression (or for that matter, the last) is the only thing that matters, and folks delude themselves into thinking this snapshot is representative of the broader character, and so, never seek any deeper. Misjudgments of this nature can result in the shunning of people whose history is generally good, or embracing and constantly, almost willfully, blinding themselves to recurring problematic, damaging, and even dangerous behaviors among those who were fortunate enough to set a positive (or even stronger, sympathetic) impression.

That said, what I'm talking about isn't "psychoanalysis", but rather informally taking the measure of people and behaviors that I suspect most of us do at some level on a daily basis.
 
About analysis and first impressions... 😛

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Sometimes it's ok to go with your instincts :devil:
 
psychoanalysis

noun
a set of techniques for exploring underlying motives and a method of treating various mental disorders; based on the theories of Sigmund Freud; "his physician recommended psychoanalysis"

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Psychoanalysis

Again, you can slap a different name on it and not call it by it's original term. It's still the same.
 
Yeah...both Sapphire and myself, as well as a few of our close friends, have proven abilities to read, to minor degrees, other's auras, so to speak. Nothing special and nothing that can be proven to a skeptic, just explained.

If only we knew a real empath.
 
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Sometimes it's ok to go with your instincts :devil:

LOL! Very cute. 🙂 Mind you, I'm not saying not to go with your instincts -- in fact, it's something I often encourage when other information is lacking. I've often recommended that when people experience doubt that the safest course is to move in the direction of the doubt. For instance, when someone posts here about: "Would this be appropriate in this situation with this person?" ...usually the fact that they have to poll a random mob demonstrates enough doubt that they could have saved themselves the trouble and decided against the course of action.

So no -- not dissing instinct or doubt. But what I am encouraging is for people to avail themselves of fresh evaluations when more information becomes available, and to try to do so in as near to unbiased and even-handed an evaluation as their abilities can allow. Clinging to bias from first impressions can pose a problem in a world not so black and white as Larson's "The Far Side". 😀

Can you say that everyone you've ever met has been accurate with their first impression of you?
 
Yeah...both Sapphire and myself, as well as a few of our close friends, have proven abilities to read, to minor degrees, other's auras, so to speak. Nothing special and nothing that can be proven to a skeptic, just explained.

If only we knew a real empath.

Ugh, I've known a few 'empaths', and while I don't knock their beliefs in their abilities I have noticed that the higher the level they claim to be, the worse they actually are at reading people and their lives tend to be a mess as a result. Instincts are one thing but let's keep at least one foot on this planet, shall we? :idunno:

LOL! Very cute. Mind you, I'm not saying not to go with your instincts -- in fact, it's something I often encourage when other information is lacking.

I didn't post the Far Side in response to your post Capn, in fact I hadn't read yours yet-I just came across that 'toon on my friend's LiveJournal this morning and thought it was fitting 🙂 I actually agree with the lion's share of your post, well said :cat:
 
I didn't post the Far Side in response to your post Capn, in fact I hadn't read yours yet-I just came across that 'toon on my friend's LiveJournal this morning and thought it was fitting 🙂 I actually agree with the lion's share of your post, well said :cat:

Oh, okay. Cool. Thanks. 🙂
 
I do believe that it's possible for us to pick up on "vibes" or whatever you want to call it and have a general sense about someone. I also believe that it's possible to know something specific about someone without having any "natural" way of know it. Some would call that being a psychic, others an empath. As a Christian, I refer to it as a word of knowledge.

The danger comes in ASSUMING things we don't know based on this and letting that color everything we see or hear from that moment on. For example, I have a friend with whom I have a pretty close connection. We both senes things about one another fairly often. (In fact, we often end up clowning with one another, telling the other to get out of our head.) But, there are also times when we may misinterpret what we're sensing or attribute it to someone or something totally unrelated.

I see this type of thing as a gift. But, it's a TOOL. It's not a magic ball that can or should be used devoid of common sense, practical learning, simply asking a question, etc. It's when we place undue importance and validity on individual occurrences like these that we get ourselves...and often others...into trouble. Like anything, misuse can be very harmful.

Many people misuse gifts like this in order to manipulate and harm others. That's something that I think everyone would consider to be wrong (unless they're some sort of psychopath or something). Trying to pose as though you know what you're doing when you don't can be just as harmful. It's simply more covert.
 
Oh bloody hell.

http://www.ticklingforum.com/showpost.php?p=1827281&postcount=26

^-- Inspiration for the thread.

🙂

Hey, you've inspired a thought-provoking discussion; you should be proud!:upsidedow

As for another of my two cents, half of the reason I 'assess' people in the first place is BECAUSE they may have 'their gaurds up' or be 'wearing masks'.

It's very true that first impressions or 'vibes' can be wrong, but for one enjoy finding out why they were wrong and/or why the person in question was acting defensive or different in the first place.

If I met Ghandi and he was an ass to me at first, but then after numerous meetings he 'revealed the real him' and was nice, I'd wonder why he was such an ass in the first place.

That's half the reason why I 'psycho analyze' (or whatever you want to call it). I enjoy the first impression, the journey and the conclusion (if there ever is one).

It helps me find out who I am and my faults (which are numerous) as well as how or why I enjoy/seek the company of certain people over others.

And in the end I don't care if my 'first impressions' or whatever are right or wrong, I care if I've learned something about the person and myself in the process.

Anyways...
 
If you're not using it to make some initial check on a person who might be about to do something stupid, then there's no harm in doing it. Regardless of how 'experienced' you are at it.
 
If you're not using it to make some initial check on a person who might be about to do something stupid, then there's no harm in doing it. Regardless of how 'experienced' you are at it.

I would diagnose you as a borderline cataleptyc schizophrenic with behavioural disorders most likely including an oral fixation and a strong desire for MUDKIPZ.

Turns out the answer to the question at the head of the thread is "yes, and very effectively too". We're jumping onto white base.... YAAAAARGH!
 
If you're not using it to make some initial check on a person who might be about to do something stupid, then there's no harm in doing it. Regardless of how 'experienced' you are at it.

No harm in your opinion, but if you use your "results" to brand a person or judge them and share your views with friends, then indeed the harm is real...
 
No harm in your opinion, but if you use your "results" to brand a person or judge them and share your views with friends, then indeed the harm is real...

Very true. And if you lack the spine to be upfront with those views, and instead slink around behind people's backs like a cowardly little wet rat while smiling in their faces, it's even worse :disgust:
 
Very true. And if you lack the spine to be upfront with those views, and instead slink around behind people's backs like a cowardly little wet rat while smiling in their faces, it's even worse :disgust:

I most totally agree with you, love!
 
Very true. And if you lack the spine to be upfront with those views, and instead slink around behind people's backs like a cowardly little wet rat while smiling in their faces, it's even worse :disgust:

It's amazing how some people can't force themselves to face their own demons and insecurities, letalone judge others based on their assumptions.
 
It's amazing how some people can't force themselves to face their own demons and insecurities, let alone judge others based on their assumptions.

This couldn't be more true. And I say this as someone who has made a virtual career out of facing his own insecurities and demons lately. What fun! *sighs*

Anyway, bella, remind me to weigh in later about that DeBecker book, if interested. I read it! It's flawed, but fairly thought provoking.

More latre.
 
Anyway, bella, remind me to weigh in later about that DeBecker book, if interested. I read it! It's flawed, but fairly thought provoking.

I'd love to hear your thoughts! I bet I agree with you on the flaws, but I found it very thought provoking and it definitely changed how I viewed my instincts, as a woman and as a mom with two daughters :atom:
 
:idunno:😕:idunno: Just wondering if we're still on topic or if something else is going on here again. It just feels OFF...not that I'm trying to psychoanalyze the thread or anything. :rotate: Feel free to remove this post if I'm wrong. If I'm right, there may be even more cleanup needed. lol Here we go again!
 
After reading some of the responses, while I think people DO attempt to psychoanalyze others upon first meeting them, unless they are qualified to do so, I feel it's just a judgmental person coming up with preconceived notions about someone.

That word, "psychoanalyze," comes up fairly often in conversation, but I'd say nearly 100% of the time, people are not completely aware of what it actually means.

I'm not fit to psychoanalyze anyone, those I know or don't know. I can guess what I think may be the reasons behind their behavior, but that's about the best I can do. And I think it's the same for most people not fully educated on all things psychology.
 
After reading some of the responses, while I think people DO attempt to psychoanalyze others upon first meeting them, unless they are qualified to do so, I feel it's just a judgmental person coming up with preconceived notions about someone.

That word, "psychoanalyze," comes up fairly often in conversation, but I'd say nearly 100% of the time, people are not completely aware of what it actually means.

I'm not fit to psychoanalyze anyone, those I know or don't know. I can guess what I think may be the reasons behind their behavior, but that's about the best I can do. And I think it's the same for most people not fully educated on all things psychology.

Yep, you said it. Where's the thumbs up icon on this thing?
 
Hear hear

...while I think people DO attempt to psychoanalyze others upon first meeting them, unless they are qualified to do so, I feel it's just a judgmental person coming up with preconceived notions about someone.

Which is why I find it creepy when psych students--or anyone who considers himself knowledgeable about psychoanalysis without the proper training and experience--offer uninformed, unsolicited opinions of people they barely know. It's ego gratification masquerading as concern.
 
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