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Celebrity AI tickling

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Credo 420 said:
And by the logic of this being so wrong.. that would mean any story written about celebrity tickling, any artwork drawn, etc... would all be immoral in the same way. So if we're outlying AI we should outlaw tickling stories etc.
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No. Not at all, really.

When it comes to fictional writing, most of the time people reading it are going to assume that said work it's fake, made up. And it's not trying to be seen as something different, unless the author isn't stating otherwise (like claiming it's the absolutely real experience they had with x celebrity they've randomly met and had a tickle session with; people actually buying that: 0).
Same applies to drawings and, a fortiori, photoshop of celebrities: people are always going to know that those are, indeed, drawings or edits (there are really well made fakes, but people are going to assume those are in fact fake stuff nonetheless).
This AI stuff, especially with the latest, state-of-the-art models (Sora 2 in primis) is blurring the line between real and fake at a worrying rate: people will see a picture of celebrity A in stocks getting tickled and they're not doing to think "man, there are really some weirdos on the internet doing these edits", but instead "holy shit, did this actually happen?".
These are basically deepfakes: it's not different from using AI to strip an actress, you're simply puppeteering her to say "OMG, I'm so ticklish!" instead of getting off from seeing her naked.
And these things are widely available to pretty much everyone: at least, with drawings, writings and even fakes you have some kind of barrier of entry, whose difficulty may vary, but at least there's one, and that alone manages to limit the amount of stuff circulating on the internet. With AI you don't have any barrier of entry whatsoever, with some minimal effort a model will spit out a dozen of passable (for now) deepfakes. Multiply that by every horny guy who really want to see that actress, singer or celebrity naked or saying the word, and do the math.

And, to be clear: I mostly don't like drawings, writings and fakes about celebrities; while I do know fantasizing about celebrities is perfectly normal, I myself feel uncomfortable for them (I'm weird, I know).
Having said so, I don't pretend in the slightest that AI-generated stuff isn't INCREDIBLY more dangerous and problematic than the other things you've mentioned.
 
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The same argument could be made for AI then.


Maybe elderly people might not be as sharp with it but the same way people know artwork and stories is fiction, almost everyone knows instantly its AI.
 
Credo 420 said:
Well calm down bro, you sound very uninformed.

And yeah when someone throws up a 2 second clip of a poorly animated video with no audio, that's AI slop. Yet convincing videos with a little bit of story, like I've been putting up have been getting lots of views and attention.

So I think it comes down to using AI as a tool or just letting it be its own slop.

And by the logic of this being so wrong.. that would mean any story written about celebrity tickling, any artwork drawn, etc... would all be immoral in the same way. So if we're outlying AI we should outlaw tickling stories etc.

Also you would be surprised how many people have sent me messages asking for clips.

Most people do it in DMS rather than on the site because people just start insulting the AI or whatever.
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You, my friend, are the one who is uninformed. I took an entire class in college while I was going through school for cybersecurity on deepfakes and related topics such as hacking, spam, etc.

I suggest you do some research into deepfakes and their inherent dangers. Maybe you have good intentions for the tickling community, but many others dont, and deepfakes have gotten out in the past which have caused harm to celebrities, politicians, and many other people in the public eye. And as I said, its only going to get worse and worse as the technology improves and becomes more commonplace.

If one of these deepfake videos of a celebrity being tickled somehow managed to escape beyond the bounds of the TMF into the larger internet, it could potentially be a source of harm or embarrassment for the subject in question. Sure, its just tickling you say. But then I ask you this. Why do so many people in this community who make tickling videos cover up their faces and hide their identities, or have multiple social media accounts for tickling and regular life?

Writing a story is one thing. Its obvious intention is just that. A story. What you and many others are doing with these videos are trying to make them as high quality and realistic to the actual thing as possible because it is something we will probably never see in real life. The whole point if these AI generated videos is to look as realistic as possible. As such, if they ever got widespread attention, it could be very damaging.

I stand by my original point that deepfakes are morally and ethically wrong. What if I made a bunch of explicit deepfake videos of you and your family members and posted them all over the internet to the point where family and coworkers are seeing them? How would you or your family feel?

Artwork is one thing. Stories are one thing. Deepfake AI videos with the intention of being realistic to the point where they capture the celebrity's voice and appearance as to be indistinguishable from the real person they represent are morally and ethically wrong.
 
Also the idea of, people seeing it and thinking oh did that really happen? That's legitimate but it's also going to be happening with a thousand other type of videos. So it'll be a little sketchy for a month or two maybe but then it'll just be commonplace. Think about all the videos that are already out there, I'm assuming... Celebrities sucking dick, rolling around and shit, adult babies, PDF files shit, there's so much out there that they're going to be dealing with, tickling isn't really going to be big on the radar.

I'm not saying it will go unnoticed but although very weird and creepy to them it won't be the equivalent of them being railed over a toilet or whatever the case.
 
Credo 420 said:
The same argument could be made for AI then.


Maybe elderly people might not be as sharp with it but the same way people know artwork and stories is fiction, almost everyone knows instantly its AI.
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Not at all mate. Again, this is the purpose of AI deepfake technology. To look as realistic as humanly possible. Im not even mad at you. Youre just misinformed on the dangers of this technology. Some of this deepfake technology is getting so good that it is even tricking law enforcement and other agencies. Its very purpose is to be indistinguishable to the human eye. If it is clear from a single glance that it is fake, then it is not a deepfake.
 
And the Jenna Ortega link? She's 18 right?

I'm not familiar with her. I think it goes without saying that generating images of minors is unacceptable across the board.
 
Although designed to be perceived as real, my point is anyone that looks at it at more than a glance will know that it's AI.
 
I've never put photos of myself or my family on the internet. Even back in my space days.

You wouldn't be able to make images of my family LOL

I do see how it would be a very genuine concern for the millions of people that post everything online however.

Again my point would be celebrities are in the public eye so that's part of being rich and famous.
 
You see the word almost right? LMAO

I agree to that some people, usually old people.. could see it and legitimately think it's real.

But I also said anyone that looks at it at more than a glance would instantly know.

Not technically a contradiction
 
Credo 420 said:
Again my point would be celebrities are in the public eye so that's part of being rich and famous.
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No, not at all. Just because they’ve made a success in life and are rich and famous doesn’t entitle people to anything. At the end of the day they’re no different than any of us, they’re people just like us. Being rich and famous doesn’t come with “hey being successful means I have to be AI’d in a creepy manner”
 
Credo 420 said:
You see the word almost right? LMAO

I agree to that some people, usually old people.. could see it and legitimately think it's real.

But I also said anyone that looks at it at more than a glance would instantly know.

Not technically a contradiction
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No you’re definitely contradicting yourself
 
Most of your points I could see where you're coming from except for the whole public eye celebrity part. They make money off of being known publicly, there's bullshit that comes with that. There's a key difference between a celebrity that markets themselves as a brand as far as potential things being looked at sideways LOL where a regular person is a different thing altogether. You're not going to change my mind on that.
 
Credo 420 said:
Most of your points I could see where you're coming from except for the whole public eye celebrity part. They make money off of being known publicly, there's bullshit that comes with that. There's a key difference between a celebrity that markets themselves as a brand as far as potential things being looked at sideways LOL wear a regular person is a different thing altogether. You're not going to change my mind on that.
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And yet celebrities were all regular people once, and still are, they are still people, still like everyone else.

It’s clear you’re ignorant to that fact so no point anyone trying to change your mind since you simply don’t get it
 
I agree they're regular people to an extent but just like any career there's things that come along with that career.. specifically if you're famous and well-known and everything about you is built around making people like you.. people are going to sexualize them. It literally comes with the territory.
 
Royaltickler2k said:
I’m likely an outlier on this, but there’s something slightly off-putting about the AI thing with celebrities. It’s one thing to create art or write a story or similar. It's entirely another to have a program manufacture what seems to be a real video using a real person doing things they would not be doing willingly normally. Just because they make movies or tv or whatever doesn’t magically make it different than if a family member came to me upset that someone manufactured a video that appeared to show them doing things or having things done to them that they would never do. It just kinda make it seem very… just.. hmmm. Again, I’m likely alone in thinking like this here, but we all feel and think how we do. I do feel like AI content should be labeled and potentially in its own “channel”
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I get the point you’re making and honestly you’re not wrong. It’s one thing for a member on here to write a story about a celebrity because it’s easy enough to tell that it’s fictional, but sometimes these AI videos come off super realistic (yes, I’m aware…some AI is very easy to spot as well) so it is off putting. No matter who that video is about…that’s someone else someone in life. Might be a bf/gf or husband wife. Someone’s son or daughter etc. imagine how those people feel when they see this stuff because you know it surfaces at some point. So yeah….you’re not alone. It’s very off putting for sure.
 
So we're really talking about access here.

If this forum and the other artwork and stories were available as easily as the AI videos.. I guess then a real moral dilemma would take place.

Realistically, it's just going to be normal for people to see something crazy and know that that's already AI. Like oh hey there's so and so tied up in stocks.. here's so and so jumping off a building, etc people are going to know if they see something hard to believe that's because it should be.
 
To put it bluntly, it looks like shit, it's lazy, it's not impressing anyone and you should just give up. That's honestly what I think about it.
 
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All this screeching to defend AI and your videos aren't even good. You're very smug for someone who's videos are just genuine trash. Poorly made and look like crap. I dont get why you're so proud of yourself.
 
Credo 420 said:
They make money off of being known publicly, there's bullshit that comes with that. There's a key difference between a celebrity that markets themselves as a brand as far as potential things being looked at sideways LOL where a regular person is a different thing altogether. You're not going to change my mind on that.
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I almost feel like there should be a word for thinking like this when it’s aimed at a person’s perceived celebrity as opposed to their gender. “Fameogyny” maybe?
 
For every one person bitching there's about 20 wanting more so I don't know I guess the numbers don't lie 🤥
 
Also I never claimed that these were super high quality or that I spend lots of time on them. I don't even pay for a service, I'm using all the free shit. I just saw how realistic the Sora videos are and looking for tickling AI, most of it sucks.

So without even trying and mostly just on my phone I've made the new crowning achievement of tickling media. 🥸😘🤦🤷🤡
 
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