Classless Met Announcers Bashing Braves During Yesterday's Radio Broadcast

[Heeko]

"The crux of this argument which at times has seen to go by the wayside is for the Mets announcers to state a fact is not classless."

Sometimes Storm, it's not what is stated, but rather how and when it's stated.

I totally agree that facts are facts, but sometimes there is something called "tactfulness" that should be used.

If not, some statements can appear to be more disrespectful than originally intended.

I did not hear the broadcast referred to, but going back to an earlier post, I was listening to a Chicago Bulls game and the Chicago announcers began berating the Miami Heat, the team's record and especially the actions of coach Riley. I thought this was totally disrespectful and meaningless, seeing as that game the Bulls were not playing Miami, nor is Miami in the NBA playoff picture.

What I found was this to be disrespectful, unprofessional and to a point, 'classless' - even though what they were saying was fact, surrounded with personal opinion.

 

[RobAce]

Rob I expect a little bit more credit from you my friend. I didn't discount what they did in the regular season, in fact I commended them for that magnificent accomplishment.

You did indeed Storm, but at the same time you tempered your reverence for that accomplishment by saying how bad the competition was and such. Not that it may not be true, but to compliment then to break it down kind of shows that the compliment really was not much one of.
But again, I never said you were wrong just giving my opinion on it.

The crux of this argument which at times has seen to go by the wayside is for the Mets announcers to state a fact is not classless.

Classless, maybe not. But I can certainly see how, if nothing else it sounds like the announcers have a case of the "sour grapes".

Rob

 

[Mitchell]

Storm, the Braves and Mets are bitter division rivals. We all know that. Let me ask you this: How do you think Mets fans would feel if the Braves broadcast team kept bringing up :"The New York Mets had the worst collapse in baseball history in September 2007. They were seven games ahead with seventeen games to play, and lost eight games in the standings, to complete the worst collapse in baseball history, and blow the largest divisional lead, in the shortest time, while not making the playoffs". Met fans know this, Braves fans know this, and all baseball fans know this. I guarantee you, Mets fans would be pissed. They would immediately say: "Who the hell are your announcers to rip us, when you guys have blown thirteen out of fourteen tries in the postseason, and only won one time?". The Braves know that they have only won one World Series, and so does everyone else. It doesnt need to be discussed, and taunted about. I took special exception to it for another reason: We are only in April. No one knows who is going to make the playoffs, or the World Series, yet. It wasn't as if we were already in the postseason, and the announcers were discussing something relevant, in saying "Here we are in October, and just for relevance, the Atlanta Braves have won it all only one time". Discussing the World Series, past failures, and anything about that, has no significance now, especially when their own team just last year, blew their opportunity to get into the postseason, in a worse way than anyone ever had. If the Mets had gotten into the posteason in 2007, and won the NL East, or won the World Series, then I might have still not liked what the announcers said, and said "Cheap shot", but, it would have perhaps held more weight. The Mets then would have had more recent success than the Braves. While Atlanta didnt make the playoffs in 2007, the Mets have to spend this season, trying to shake off the failure of last season, and have to wait several months to see if they make the playoffs.

I still say it was classless of the Mets announcers. I know that storm disagrees with me, but I stand by my statement about the Mets broadcasters, for the reasons I have stated.

Mitch

 

[storm7400]

Storm, the Braves and Mets are bitter division rivals. We all know that. Let me ask you this: How do you think Mets fans would feel if the Braves broadcast team kept bringing up :"The New York Mets had the worst collapse in baseball history in September 2007. They were seven games ahead with seventeen games to play, and lost eight games in the standings, to complete the worst collapse in baseball history, and blow the largest divisional lead, in the shortest time, while not making the playoffs". Met fans know this, Braves fans know this, and all baseball fans know this. I guarantee you, Mets fans would be pissed. They would immediately say: "Who the hell are your announcers to rip us, when you guys have blown thirteen out of fourteen tries in the postseason, and only won one time?". The Braves know that they have only won one World Series, and so does everyone else. It doesnt need to be discussed, and taunted about. I took special exception to it for another reason: We are only in April. No one knows who is going to make the playoffs, or the World Series, yet. It wasn't as if we were already in the postseason, and the announcers were discussing something relevant, in saying "Here we are in October, and just for relevance, the Atlanta Braves have won it all only one time". Discussing the World Series, past failures, and anything about that, has no significance now, especially when their own team just last year, blew their opportunity to get into the postseason, in a worse way than anyone ever had. If the Mets had gotten into the posteason in 2007, and won the NL East, or won the World Series, then I might have still not liked what the announcers said, and said "Cheap shot", but, it would have perhaps held more weight. The Mets then would have had more recent success than the Braves. While Atlanta didnt make the playoffs in 2007, the Mets have to spend this season, trying to shake off the failure of last season, and have to wait several months to see if they make the playoffs.

I still say it was classless of the Mets announcers. I know that storm disagrees with me, but I stand by my statement about the Mets broadcasters, for the reasons I have stated.

Mitch

The Braves' announcers would be totally in the right to bring that up and in fact should. Face it when it comes to sports, as long as its something that happened on the field its always going to be fair game.

History should be learned from and not shunned. The fact that the Braves' had that great run in the regular season but not so much in the postseason made them a better in understanding themselves just as last seasons collapse by the Mets made them look long and hard at themselves and will likely fuel them in this year's last season pennant chase.

 

[Mitchell]

Storm, I have my B.A. in history, and I do agree that history should be learned from and not shunned.

Occasionally, bad history can carry over. Look at the Red Sox: Until 2004, they had one heartbreak after the next, with both the pennant, and the postseason. Now, since 2004, they can point to having new history with two world titles in four years. As for the Mets, we won't know until later in the 2008 season, whether or not they will erase last year's history or not. So far, they are off to a shaky start, but we know it's very early.

I think that the only way the Braves can somehow vindicate themselves for their postseason failures is to win another World Series. I've heard it said by many "experts", that if they were to win a second WS, it would silence many of their critics, about the fourteen straight division titles, and only one World Series win.

Mitch

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Let me start with this: Since our 22 year old cat died on Wednesday, I am in a really ( sarcasm coming up ) great mood.

I am a Mets fan. I am a PROUD Mets fan. I listened to the Mets games going all the way back to late Lindsey Nelson, the late Bob Murphy and Ralph Kiner. I don't know what the Mets announcer said on radio because I was listening to the Atlanta Braves TV announcers clobber the New York Mets. So while you call the Mets announcers " CLASSLESS " your Braves announcers MUST be placed in that same boat.

Next!!! How CLASSY are you to clobber the Mets broadcast crew when your broadcast crew is doing the SAME exact thing??? What is there a double-standard here Mitchell??? Your team can talk nonsense about the rest of the league and NOBODY can say anything about your precious Braves??? Let me tell you something...you have very little room to talk.

Yes, you gave the Mets credit in 2006. But you started a poll in September 2007 asking if the Mets would make the playoffs. How classy was that??? The fact that you enjoy the Mets dimise down the stretch of last season tells me all I need to know about you and how classy you are. I don't recall any Mets fans starting any polls asking if your team was making the playoffs in 2006 or 2007. But you made ABSOLUTELY sure you did about the Mets.

Now I am NOT your typical Mets fan. I will always come down hard on my team and my broadcasters if need be. I get annoyed at biased broadcasters. If you don't believe me ask, Natural or Sadira. They will let you know I hate it when a broadcaster says " okay now we need a hit here. " Mets broadcasters DON'T do that. But your Braves announcers do. But you start all these threads about the Mets. WHY??? Mets fans aren't bugging you. We are keeping to ourselves for the most part.

I want to give you your quote Mitchell, "you succumb meekly in five games to an 88 win Yankee team." Correct me if I am wrong ( and I know I am not ) did you guys have a 2-0 lead in the 1996 World Series going back to Atlanta??? How did you do Mitchell??? Let me define "meek" in another way. How did you do against the New York Yankees in 1999 Mitchell??? Correct me also if I am wrong Mitchell, during the Yankees 14 game World Series winning streak, didn't you guys lose the MOST games to the New York Yankees??? And please tell the World who ended that winning streak of the New York Yankees Mitchell.

Do me a favor, before you challenge my team, BRING ALL YOUR FACTS TO THE TABLE!!! You had a GREAT 14 year run. But did the Mets announcers lie when they said the Braves won only one World Series in that time??? NO!!! They were factual. You know what, I want facts when I listen to a game. Did the Mets announcers bring up ANYTHING that wasn't factual. Did I bring up anything that wasn't factual.

You see Mitchell, you brought up " MEEK " and you PISSED me off. When you lose 8 straight games to the team that we lost to you have NO RIGHT to call them " MEEK " because your team wasn't even competitive in 1999 in the World Series as the Yankees blew your doors away. Now that is " MEEK ".

You want to destroy my team or their broadcasters??? Listen to your broadcasters, they are among the WORST in baseball. You have a GREAT team. Let your team do your talking for you Mitchell. There is NO need to come out here and CLOBBER my team. Because I will take your BRAVES history all the way back to Boston. And you know that is NOT pretty!!!

 

[storm7400]

Let me start with this: Since our 22 year old cat died on Wednesday, I am in a really ( sarcasm coming up ) great mood.

I am a Mets fan. I am a PROUD Mets fan. I listened to the Mets games going all the way back to late Lindsey Nelson, the late Bob Murphy and Ralph Kiner. I don't know what the Mets announcer said on radio because I was listening to the Atlanta Braves TV announcers clobber the New York Mets. So while you call the Mets announcers " CLASSLESS " your Braves announcers MUST be placed in that same boat.

Next!!! How CLASSY are you to clobber the Mets broadcast crew when your broadcast crew is doing the SAME exact thing??? What is there a double-standard here Mitchell??? Your team can talk nonsense about the rest of the league and NOBODY can say anything about your precious Braves??? Let me tell you something...you have very little room to talk.

Yes, you gave the Mets credit in 2006. But you started a poll in September 2007 asking if the Mets would make the playoffs. How classy was that??? The fact that you enjoy the Mets dimise down the stretch of last season tells me all I need to know about you and how classy you are. I don't recall any Mets fans starting any polls asking if your team was making the playoffs in 2006 or 2007. But you made ABSOLUTELY sure you did about the Mets.

Now I am NOT your typical Mets fan. I will always come down hard on my team and my broadcasters if need be. I get annoyed at biased broadcasters. If you don't believe me ask, Natural or Sadira. They will let you know I hate it when a broadcaster says " okay now we need a hit here. " Mets broadcasters DON'T do that. But your Braves announcers do. But you start all these threads about the Mets. WHY??? Mets fans aren't bugging you. We are keeping to ourselves for the most part.

I want to give you your quote Mitchell, "you succumb meekly in five games to an 88 win Yankee team." Correct me if I am wrong ( and I know I am not ) did you guys have a 2-0 lead in the 1996 World Series going back to Atlanta??? How did you do Mitchell??? Let me define "meek" in another way. How did you do against the New York Yankees in 1999 Mitchell??? Correct me also if I am wrong Mitchell, during the Yankees 14 game World Series winning streak, didn't you guys lose the MOST games to the New York Yankees??? And please tell the World who ended that winning streak of the New York Yankees Mitchell.

Do me a favor, before you challenge my team, BRING ALL YOUR FACTS TO THE TABLE!!! You had a GREAT 14 year run. But did the Mets announcers lie when they said the Braves won only one World Series in that time??? NO!!! They were factual. You know what, I want facts when I listen to a game. Did the Mets announcers bring up ANYTHING that wasn't factual. Did I bring up anything that wasn't factual.

You see Mitchell, you brought up " MEEK " and you PISSED me off. When you lose 8 straight games to the team that we lost to you have NO RIGHT to call them " MEEK " because your team wasn't even competitive in 1999 in the World Series as the Yankees blew your doors away. Now that is " MEEK ".

You want to destroy my team or their broadcasters??? Listen to your broadcasters, they are among the WORST in baseball. You have a GREAT team. Let your team do your talking for you Mitchell. There is NO need to come out here and CLOBBER my team. Because I will take your BRAVES history all the way back to Boston. And you know that is NOT pretty!!!

Glad to see I wasn't the only one with an issue with this post.

 

[Mitchell]

4u, first let me say I'm sorry to hear about your cat.

Now, as long as we are talking about "Classy", do you think it was fair, or "Classy", of Mets fans, during the heyday of the Mets-Braves rivalry in 1998 and 1999,. to do the mock Tomahawk chop, essentially making fun of not only the Braves, but also their fans, or to do the LARRRY! chant every time Chipper Jones goes to Shea Stadium? Braves fans in Atlanta arent nearly as abusive to the Mets when they visit, as Mets fans are to the Braves, when the Braves go to Shea.

Bottom line, when a sports fan's archrival team doesn't do well, the person isnt going to be sorry. I dont know of too many Mets fans who would lament the Braves misfortunes, anymore than a Brave fan would lament Mets misfortunes. That's just how it is.

Mitch

 

[OmahaLerLee]

I watched "Rookie of the Year" today...

 

[storm7400]

4u, first let me say I'm sorry to hear about your cat.

Now, as long as we are talking about "Classy", do you think it was fair, or "Classy", of Mets fans, during the heyday of the Mets-Braves rivalry in 1998 and 1999,. to do the mock Tomahawk chop, essentially making fun of not only the Braves, but also their fans, or to do the LARRRY! chant every time Chipper Jones goes to Shea Stadium? Braves fans in Atlanta arent nearly as abusive to the Mets when they visit, as Mets fans are to the Braves, when the Braves go to Shea.

Bottom line, when a sports fan's archrival team doesn't do well, the person isnt going to be sorry. I dont know of too many Mets fans who would lament the Braves misfortunes, anymore than a Brave fan would lament Mets misfortunes. That's just how it is.

Mitch

I know you are not now trying to turn this around now on rivalries are you? Seriously that is beyond a bs argument. Fans always take rivalries to new levels and anything and EVERYTHING is fair game. Next thing you'll be hating on Ravens' fans for yelling "SUCK" at the opposing team during their pregame intros. Fans give a team home field advantage, if you don't like it then maybe you should just stop being a fan.

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

4u, first let me say I'm sorry to hear about your cat.

Now, as long as we are talking about "Classy", do you think it was fair, or "Classy", of Mets fans, during the heyday of the Mets-Braves rivalry in 1998 and 1999,. to do the mock Tomahawk chop, essentially making fun of not only the Braves, but also their fans, or to do the LARRRY! chant every time Chipper Jones goes to Shea Stadium? Braves fans in Atlanta arent nearly as abusive to the Mets when they visit, as Mets fans are to the Braves, when the Braves go to Shea.

Bottom line, when a sports fan's archrival team doesn't do well, the person isnt going to be sorry. I dont know of too many Mets fans who would lament the Braves misfortunes, anymore than a Brave fan would lament Mets misfortunes. That's just how it is.

Mitch

Thats just the way it is Mr. Eugene

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

4u, first let me say I'm sorry to hear about your cat.

Now, as long as we are talking about "Classy", do you think it was fair, or "Classy", of Mets fans, during the heyday of the Mets-Braves rivalry in 1998 and 1999,. to do the mock Tomahawk chop, essentially making fun of not only the Braves, but also their fans, or to do the LARRRY! chant every time Chipper Jones goes to Shea Stadium? Braves fans in Atlanta arent nearly as abusive to the Mets when they visit, as Mets fans are to the Braves, when the Braves go to Shea.

Bottom line, when a sports fan's archrival team doesn't do well, the person isnt going to be sorry. I dont know of too many Mets fans who would lament the Braves misfortunes, anymore than a Brave fan would lament Mets misfortunes. That's just how it is.

Mitch

I am sorry!!! I must have missed something. This thread was talking about the New York Mets announcers doing the same exact thing that the Braves announcers have been doing for the last 25 years and that was wearing a skirt in the broadcast booth and swinging their pom-poms. The Mets announcers finally after a quarter century caught up and they are classless??? What exactly does that have to do with us Mets fans???

Fact is, when I go to Shea Stadium ( and Sadira has seen me at Shea Stadium during the Mets/Braves games ) and I don't Tomahawk Chop nor do I call Chipper Jones anything but Chipper Jones. I have never mocked Chipper Jones nor the Braves organization in anyway. Fact is, I like going to Shea and talking to Braves fans. I find them, in most cases, to be very articulate and intelligent. Also I have a friend back in New York who is a HUGE Atlanta Braves fan. One of the best baseball fans I know. But again that isn't what this thread is about.

Funny, you called the Mets 5 game series versus the Yankees " meek " but yet you failed to answer my questions about the Braves or their play versus the Yankees in the World Series of 1996 after they were up two love or their play against the Yankees in the 1999 World Series. I want to know how the Mets were "meek" when they went 5 games versus an organization that won 4 World Series in 5 years??? Instead of answering the questions that I asked, you went and attacked the Mets fans who didn't start this thread to begin with.

According to this thread's title, it was the Mets radio announcers you had an issue with. But instead of taking my questions and answering them like if the Mets announcer said anything that wasn't factual about the Braves, then you should let us know if they weren't factual. Instead it is now the Mets fans that you are " Classless " because the Mets announcers are " Classless " for doing something that the Braves announcers have been doing on TBS for at least 25 years and that is bashing other teams and rooting on the Braves to get hits and rooting for the opponents ( like the Mets ) to ' come on now and ground that ball into a double play and get out of the inning so our boys can get back in the dugout. '

Now if you want to bash the Mets fan, then start a thread bashing the Mets fans. But in my previous post, I NEVER said one word about the Braves fans. I find you attacking the Mets fans on a thread you started kind of a low blow. I won't go there with you though. Why??? I don't know, maybe it is to show you that the Mets fans aren't as bad as you painted them in your previous post. Or maybe, it just isn't worth the effort.

In the end, I know I didn't trash you or your organization without being provoked. But it was you that came out and clobbered the Mets organization and their fans without us saying a word. Did you expect us to not say anything??? I am hoping you weren't expecting an invitation to an upcoming Memorial Day BBQ from us " Classless Mets Fans. "

I will say this one more time, you NEVER answered the questions that I posed to you. Instead you chose to attack. Does this mean that what I posted previously had a ring of truth to it??? Makes you wonder, doesn't it???

 

[Mitchell]

4u, okay, I'll answer all your questions.

First, 1996: That was, to me, the most humilating of all the Braves World Series losses. The Braves should have beaten the Yankees in five games, bottom line. Blowing a 6-0 lead in Game Four, and getting swept in Atlanta, was one of the worst blunderings of a World Series in history. I was disgusted with them.

Second, 1999: Oddly, even though the Braves went down in four games, and they didnt play well, I wasnt angry. The Yankees had won two championships in three years. At the beginning of that postseason, I figured the Braves would probably beat the Mets in the NLCS, and lose to the Yankees in the World Series, and that's what happened.

As for the Braves "House men" announcers that you talk of. Yes; when TBS was broadcasting only Braves games, I heard them be in favor of the Braves, but, as for bashing other teams, I only recall one time that Braves broadcasters did so. In 1992, someone hit a homer to win a game, when the Braves were chasing the Padres and Reds in the old National League West, and as the homer went over the wall, Skip Caray said "Take that, Padres, take that Reds". We all know how much of a difficult time the Mets had beating the Braves at Turner Field until 2006. I dont recall the Braves announcers ever going "Hmmm, we just handed the Mets their 100th straight loss at Turner Field". If anything, I recall radio guys Gary Cohen and the late Bob Murphy saying things like "Turner Field continues to be a house of horror shows for the Mets". From 1998 to 2000, the Mets were one of the top teams in baseball, and could not win at Turner Field.

I hope what I said clears things up. When my team doesnt play well, I admit it. Right now, the Mets have gotten off to a much better start than the Braves, even though Atlanta has won two in a row. It is very possible that the Mets will be playing postseason baseball in October, and the Braves will be sitting home. That remains to be seen.

Mitch