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Clinical Depression...a few questions...

Marquis De Sade

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There's a member here, name's jm157, who has it and isn't doing very well last we spoke.

Other than us showing him our support, I have a few questions on the matter that will hopefully enlighten me, as well help a few others.

I don't have it, so I have no idea what it feels like, how bad it can get, what goes through one's head, etc. I had a friend in real life who suffered (suffers), from it but she's doing better now and had some trouble trying to describe to me what it felt like during one of her episodes. So maybe someone else can help.

If you're diagnosed with clinical depression, is there really nothing you can do to feel better on your own other than medication?

And, what exactly, are you depressed about?

This may sound incredibly stupid and naive of me, but I always figured since it's not your fault - it's a chemical balance thing - than, if you're made aware of that - you would know it wasn't your fault and that you don't really feel all that bad. It's just our chemicals out of whack.

I know I'm waaay off on that. Probably. Very probably. But I've always been curious about the matter. Just never had the time to read up on it to the extent that I would want to (wikipedia's page is looooooooooong), and I don't wanna remind anyone of what a bad episode felt like when they aren't in the same place anymore.
 
As a sufferer of clinical depression, it is different for everyone. I do not take medicine but I have been a sufferer for quite a few years.

To cope I do therapeutic things, like writing in a journal, listening to music and watching movies. I try to also do things that will take my mind off it, like going to the gym, or even practicing my saxophone.

As far as being depressed about things, again it is different for everyone. Most of us have different triggers, things that just set us off to be sad. In my case a lot of my triggers stem from my high level of paranoia about social situations. It also comes from many fears that I possess. It's not that I'm really a sad person at all (in fact I try to be happy mostly,) it's just that when a trigger is set off I can not control my depression. The depression takes over and it is like a side of myself turns on while the other half turns off.

Even though I know it's the chemicals, it is very hard to get yourself out of the bottom. In fact many times it seems almost impossible and that is where borderline suicidal thoughts often come in.

Marquis I hope this information helps you. I am very open about talking about my problems so if you feel like you would like to know more feel free to ask me and I would be happy to chat. I would love to share my knowledge and help you understand that even those living with the illness find ways to cope and go on in life.

-M
 
As a sufferer of clinical depression, it is different for everyone. I do not take medicine but I have been a sufferer for quite a few years.

To cope I do therapeutic things, like writing in a journal, listening to music and watching movies. I try to also do things that will take my mind off it, like going to the gym, or even practicing my saxophone.

As far as being depressed about things, again it is different for everyone. Most of us have different triggers, things that just set us off to be sad. In my case a lot of my triggers stem from my high level of paranoia about social situations. It also comes from many fears that I possess. It's not that I'm really a sad person at all (in fact I try to be happy mostly,) it's just that when a trigger is set off I can not control my depression. The depression takes over and it is like a side of myself turns on while the other half turns off.

Even though I know it's the chemicals, it is very hard to get yourself out of the bottom. In fact many times it seems almost impossible and that is where borderline suicidal thoughts often come in.

Marquis I hope this information helps you. I am very open about talking about my problems so if you feel like you would like to know more feel free to ask me and I would be happy to chat. I would love to share my knowledge and help you understand that even those living with the illness find ways to cope and go on in life.

-M

Thanks man. See, I didn't even know it was different for every person. Is there a reason (or reasons), you don't take medication?

How you described it actually makes it sound a lot like an addiction of sorts.
 
As another sufferer of said affliction, I will agree that it is different for everyone. Sometimes there's a specific reason, more often there is not. I can only speak for myself, but I'm fairly certain mine goes back to a particular point in life which led to an avalanche of psycholgical events thereafter...each building upon the previous.

When one suffers from a bout of serious depression, there doesn't have to be a reason, but there are often triggers. And not only is everyone's triggering mechanism different, but the severity also differs greatly. I don't know what your friend is going through, but I'm pretty sure I could guess at several of the symptoms.

The biggest thing to remember is that these symtoms often don't "make sense". People cannot just "get happy and snap out of it". The combination of both physical (chemical) imbalances and whatever psychological imprints are present makes for a powerful thing that cannot be overcome easily. But they can be overcome.

Medication works for some. Never did much for me, but for some it's as simple as finding the right kind and dosage.

The insidious thing about severe depression is that it fucks with your sense of reality at a point. You believe that things are hopeless, that there's no point in getting up or going out or doing anything.

If it's serious enough, you may want to get your friend to a professional who can help. At certain points, this is nothing to take too lightly. Many have the outlook of it being "just" depression, and it can be far more.

In fact, there's way too much on this to go into here. I've just come out the other side of a serious bout with this myself, so my perspective on it is pretty fresh. I'll shoot you a PM.
 
There's always things that one can do to feel better. It's filling the empty void that causes the issues in the end.

You also have therapy, counseling, support groups, life counselors, classes, books, videos, audio tapes, books on tapes..

I could go on.

I suffer from PPD and never quite completely bounced back into the groove as far as being chemically balanced, for that I take medication. I'm a big believer in better living through pharmaceuticals. For those that aren't, but need to justify taking a pill-- there's St John's Wart, which is an herbal type of anti-depressant.

It's all different for each person. There can be some that respond best to talking to a counselor and just can't get any result for medication, also there are some who just can't speak with anyone and get better results from a pill.

Atop that there are some who suffer from it and don't do anything for it except home remedies; Reading, meditation, writing, etc.

Due to how many different forms and types of depression there are, you'll be given a million and a half different definitions and methods that one takes to help alleviate and make functioning while involved in a bout of depression.

Folks that suffer from any form at all aren't the ones you'd expect to see. Today's society likes to pin it on a specific 'look'. If one is dressed in all black and walks around looking all dreary doesn't automatically deem them to have that problem. It runs a lot deeper then that, there is no direct look or personality type that the disorder chooses.

As far as 'what' one gets depressed about, that again varies. It could not necessarily be just a certain item, object or situation that could spark a period of depression. It might have just been a momentary mental 'glitch' that occurs and although whatever is going on at the time might not help in the outcome, it's not the only reason.

It's not always easy to say "This is a chemical inbalance and is by no means *your* fault." It won't matter. That is an ideal situation, yes. But sadly one that just won't take shape.
 


Thanks guys. Good to know and opened my eyes a bit, which is what I was hoping for.

If any of you wanna send jm157 a happy note, I'm sure he won't mind.

A few of us have spoken to him before. He comments on our stories quite a bit. :upsidedow
 
I was diagnosed with Clincal Depression at about 3.30am this morning.

It's been a deteriorating couple of weeks for me, ending last night with a meltdown and an ambulance coming to collect me. They said to me, "You can either go voluntary or involuntarily". I went voluntarily and got to Monash Hospital, only to be thrown into the waiting room for 3 and a half hours until a psychiatrist could see me.

I don't want to take meds. But what else can I do?
 
I was diagnosed with Clincal Depression at about 3.30am this morning.

It's been a deteriorating couple of weeks for me, ending last night with a meltdown and an ambulance coming to collect me. They said to me, "You can either go voluntary or involuntarily". I went voluntarily and got to Monash Hospital, only to be thrown into the waiting room for 3 and a half hours until a psychiatrist could see me.

I don't want to take meds. But what else can I do?

Well that wasn't happy. I'm sorry man...
 
Nah, all good dude. I went and saw my GP today and he gave me these tablets, kinda of like valium, to help me relax. He just gave me ten. I should be fine. I'm not normally so negative. I'll pull through.
 
Hang in there Xion

Nah, all good dude. I went and saw my GP today and he gave me these tablets, kinda of like valium, to help me relax. He just gave me ten. I should be fine. I'm not normally so negative. I'll pull through.

If it's a one time thing, then maybe anti-depressants aren't the answer.
Perhaps counseling is a better first choice.

For those that do have it, recreational drugs are a HUGE no-no.
Ask your Doctor, or Steph for confirmation.
 
Depression is a fucking vicious beast. That's about all there really is to it. I should know, since I've literally had it for half of my life. I'm 30 now, but diagnosed at 15. I believe my worst episodes can be traced back to specific moments in my life that I'd rather forget. On the other hand, there will be days that I wake up feeling shitty for no concrete reason at all. Fortunately, I've had 15 years to learn how to come back from the edge. Still have my moments, though.
 
My negativity has been so extreme because I'm not used to feeling like this. I'm normally an 'easy come easy go' positive kinda guy. Something inside me is broken.
 
Depression is a bitch

As a sufferer [I think that's a word] of depresion I can say it is hell on earth. It can be an inbalence or based on circumstances or even genetic. Sometimes meds can help sometimes not, exercise, hard work, and other things can at times help. Electro theropy is at rare times used sometimes with great results and sometimes with bad results such as memory loss. Depression can last a life time and cause the sufferer to experience physical problems. It won't kill you but it makes you want to kill yourself.

It sucks to have to say the least.
 
Marquis De Sade said:
If you're diagnosed with clinical depression, is there really nothing you can do to feel better on your own other than medication?

Some will doubtless disagree with me, but I'm personally not wild about meds. I was on zoloft for 5 years, and it never did much for me. I was actually on it during a period when I was in the worst depression I ever experienced, so I'm inclined to say they don't really work for me. When an episode's hit me, there's nothing I could do to make it stop. Eventually, they just run their course. In the episodes I've had, pretty much the only thing that's made me feel better (at least temporarily) is watching movies. It's about the only thing I have the energy to do, although when it's really bad I don't have the energy to do anything at all, I just stay in bed.

I eventually just stopped taking my meds cold turkey. This was probably not the smartest move, as it left me light headed and nauseous for about a week, but I don't regret going off of it. I did it that way just because I was being stubborn and didn't feel like going to my psychiatrist and asking for her to help wean me off of it, I think I figured she'd have tried to talk me out of it (later on, I spoke to her and she told me she would have assisted me without trying to convince me otherwise).

And, what exactly, are you depressed about?

It's not going to be the same for any two individuals, so I can only speak for myself. It's never been about specific events with me as it is about specific events get me down, and this sense of being down then mutates into something much bigger and much more insidious.

The worst depression I ever had was when I was 18, a few months after I graduated high school. There were several things working against me, the biggest being that come August, all my friends started going off to college and here I was, still in the Valley, working a dead-end job, with utterly no clue what I wanted to do with myself. I had tried to avoid the knowledge for most of the summer that this was inevitably going to happen, but there it was smacking me in the face. That July, my grandfather passed on, and he had been my father-figure for most of my life (my dad left when I was 7, and our relationship is tense, to put it mildly). I wasn't dealing particularly well with that, but I didn't show it as the rest of my immediate family was really coming apart over it, and I figured one of us had to hold it together. This had the side-effect of my family thinking I may not have needed as much support getting through things as they did, so most of the attention from my mom and her sister in those months was devoted to keeping my grandmother from falling apart; I sort of got lost in the shuffle. I was also doing a lot of drugs, which couldn't have been helpful to my emotional state, and all of it basically combined to make a perfect storm.

So, I just gave up. I looked at the despair that had been lurking around me for a couple months, and basically said 'if you want me, take me'. And it did. And it then it became something no longer about specific issues, it became a general sense of hopelessness. I was in my own pocket universe, and pretty much nothing got through it. In the rare times I went outside (either the market or Blockbuster were the only places I went) I was conscious of the fact that there were people around me, but I felt like I was on a slightly different frequency than anyone else, just a bit out of step, and they weren't really there. I felt like there'd been a global nuclear war and I just sort of wandered around this wasteland as the last person on earth.

If you have any additional questions, feel free to ask me. Something like this, it can be helpful to get multiple perspectives, because everyone experiences it differently.
 


There's a member here, name's jm157, who has it and isn't doing very well last we spoke.

Other than us showing him our support, I have a few questions on the matter that will hopefully enlighten me, as well help a few others.

I don't have it, so I have no idea what it feels like, how bad it can get, what goes through one's head, etc. I had a friend in real life who suffered (suffers), from it but she's doing better now and had some trouble trying to describe to me what it felt like during one of her episodes. So maybe someone else can help.

If you're diagnosed with clinical depression, is there really nothing you can do to feel better on your own other than medication?

And, what exactly, are you depressed about?

This may sound incredibly stupid and naive of me, but I always figured since it's not your fault - it's a chemical balance thing - than, if you're made aware of that - you would know it wasn't your fault and that you don't really feel all that bad. It's just our chemicals out of whack.

I know I'm waaay off on that. Probably. Very probably. But I've always been curious about the matter. Just never had the time to read up on it to the extent that I would want to (wikipedia's page is looooooooooong), and I don't wanna remind anyone of what a bad episode felt like when they aren't in the same place anymore.


I am sure that different people react in their own way. I have been diagnosed with it and the only way I can describe it is like a huge black hole that I am in, and I dont feel like I can get out. I am not on meds, although I should be. Its not something you can control. You can't just take your mind off it and make it better. And its not one thing that could trigger it. A big part of it also is your situation in life. Stress and unhappiness can be a huge instigator. Sometimes I can overcome it, and sometimes I just want to hide. Its literally a struggle to want to live. Understanding and support from someone close to you is the best thing. Its very difficult for someone who doesnt have it to understand. Just being there and acknowledging the right to have those feelings and listen to the person with the depression without judgement is really what that person needs, along with the meds.
 
Don't be afraid of medication. I'm taking an anti-depressant for panic attacks and it has helped tremendously. I really can't function without it.. it's like a night and day difference. NEVER try and go off your medication cold turkey.

You might have to take a handful of medications before you find one that works for you. Don't be discouraged.

You can also try meditation.. it is an excellent addition to any therapy.
 
Everything you experience is mostly governed by chemicals so far as we can tell.

There are things you can do to increase the chemical activity in your brain to make yourself feel better, however nothing is permanent. Brain states and mind states change on the fly.

Perhaps he can excercise to increase endorphins.......

Okay. I blew a fart as I typed the word "endorphins" and I shit my pants. Literally. Had to clean that up. I'm back now.

He can excercise to increase endorphins, or participate in activities that bring him pleasure which can alter his mood for the better, but ultimately if the depression is not circumstantial, then the only way for it to get better is for the chemical problem to be addressed.
 
Interesting. I've been feeling like crap for no reason (BP1 Meh!) since I got home today and I long on to see this thread.
 
... but ultimately if the depression is not circumstantial, then the only way for it to get better is for the chemical problem to be addressed.

This is a distinction which I think needs to be addressed in this thread. Sometimes certain events can send someone into a state of prolonged depression, like a traumatic event or life's general turn towards the shitty.

Other times, one can simply suffer from chronic depression, where they just constantly go into foul moods throughout their life with no particular trigger to blame.

The best methodology for treatment really depends on the distinction, IMO: if you suffer from the former, I'd suggest therapy, tackling the trigger head on. If you suffer from the latter, then I'd take Borg's advice and go the medication route, tackling the chemical imbalance head on.
 
Once you start labeling shit with negative labels you are setting yourself up for a skull fuck, e.g. I have clinical depression, I am manic, I am a retard, etc. etc.. I thouht most of that labeling shit went bye bye in the 50's and 60's anyways... You should look at your situation as temporary and something that will eventually change for the better. In many cases it's more practical to change your PERSPECTIVE then your situation. Get a good therapist, some time the chemicals can jolt you out of a rut (I look at them in most cases as a temporary fix anyway). Easier said then done but accentuate the positve. Life is full of ups and downs, get used to it! You will be ok if YOU want to be ok!
 
Once you start labeling shit with negative labels you are setting yourself up for a skull fuck, e.g. I have clinical depression, I am manic, I am a retard, etc. etc.. I thouht most of that labeling shit went bye bye in the 50's and 60's anyways... You should look at your situation as temporary and something that will eventually change for the better. In many cases it's more practical to change your PERSPECTIVE then your situation. Get a good therapist, some time the chemicals can jolt you out of a rut (I look at them in most cases as a temporary fix anyway). Easier said then done but accentuate the positve. Life is full of ups and downs, get used to it! You will be ok if YOU want to be ok!

Wrong, basically across the board. Labels help us determine a problem, and take appropriate action to solve said problem. If one is sociopath, then one behaves in the scope of certain parameters, and those behaviors must be checked. Depression is a clinical medical condition, and those are not solved by positive thinking alone. As I am clinically depressed myself, I understand the overwhelming feelings of despair and ungodly sadness that comes with it. The awareness that I have that it is purely a chemical imbalance does not change the situation, and 'accentuating the positive' is oftentimes impossible for a depressed person, because being depressed means there is nothing positive. I choose not to take medicine for mine because of what it does to me. I have no motivation to do anything and I'm never happy (like being depressed), but I'm never too sad. It's not very fun. The kind of thinking exemplified in the post I quoted though is patently ignorant and false. Trying to think happy thoughts won't make your brain start producing the right neurotransmitters. Sorry.
 
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